FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

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FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

February 07 2013 | Waves, Surfing, 

I wrote a blog post a few months back about glassing a surfboard in the middle of a party (to drive home a message of sustainability). What I didn't share in that post was far from the glassing process a board captured the attention of, literally, everyone who saw it. It was a Paulownia-encased Firewire.

It looked like one of the boards to the left and I'm not exxagerating to say that it stopped everyone in their tracks.

Let me set this up a bit... we've all seen our fair share of plastic and foam floating in the ocean. I've written a few blogs on the simple idea that EPS blanks can be made from recycled tv-packing trash and the fact that the use of non-toxic Super Sap resin for surfboard glassing is "ready for prime time."

Still, the Pawlonia-encased board I saw that evening seemed to nod to all of those concepts and take the dialog a few steps further. It seemed to be a logical extension of what my blogs have been saying... surfers should seek ways to minimize their impact on the environment that that includes the equipment under their feet.

It was heartening to see another entrant in this space, complementing Danny Hess's boards and the hands-on aesthetic connected to Grain surfboards.

Rather than try and encapsulate this innovation I thought I'd reach out to Firewire's CEO Mark Price and have him explain this innovation via a quick interview.

Jim: Your new boards look and feel radically different than pretty much anything I've seen. My experience is that literally every person that sees them stops and walks over to check them out. In a few words can you tell us about the construction?

Mark: Perhaps the biggest difference aside from the overall wood-look, is the fact that, except for very narrow strips of cloth to cover the seams on the rails, there is NO external lamination, just a hotcoat to seal the wood. In addition, by using Entropy Super Sap bio resin for the hot coats and in the sandwich, we've dramatically reduced the toxicity on the small amount of resin we actually use.

J: The second question I found myself asking (after being drawn in visually) is how do they ride? Firewire is known for being perhaps the first company with an alternative/modern construction board used by pros on Tour. Are these wood boards a niche Firewire product or will we see pros on these?

M: That is the best part. They still incorporate sandwich construction and parabolic rail technology so the flex is there, and by removing the external lamination cloth and resin, they are even lighter than our regular boards. Chuy Reyna believes Technograin performance is on par with any tech we offer, and Timmy Reyes just re-ordered his entire quiver in Technograin after riding one. We've also built Filipe Toledo and Michel Bourez boards as well which they'll receive shortly, so we'll see how they like them.

J: Nice. Tell us more about the construction, I found myself wondering how thick that wood is. Also, are these a part of the Sustainable Surf's Ecoboard Project?

M: Yes, they are and we're big fans of what Sustainable Surf is doing. The wood deck skin is actually 3mm thick, so it's is not a thin veneer. As a result it has tremendous structural integrity, and you also do away with all those minor dings and shatters because these is no cloth. Repairing them is a breeze as you can use any epoxy resin and cloth if needed, or even wood putty if its a small ding.

J: Ok, let me ask you a question about the eco-side of this equation. Everything I've heard is wild… from the foam to the paulownia wood deck to the distinctly different approach to glassing. Tell us how that all works together? Was it your goal to have such an emphasis on environmental footprint or did you arrive at that endpoint via another path?

M: We're always trying to make as green a surfboard as possible and still maintain a commercially viable product that also does not sacrifice performance, and costs the same at retail. We believe that for an Eco surfboard to succeeded beyond a cool niche, those parameters must to be met. We actually exceeded our expectations with Technograin and these are only the Version 1.0 recipes. The Paulownia wood is sustainably grown and we're reviewed the suppliers certificates to verify that. And by removing the exterior cloth and lamination resin while using bio resin hot coats, the toxicity is a fraction of a traditional surfboard. Version 2.0 will have recycled EPS cores, but we're not quite there yet.

J: Great, any last comments or thoughts?

M: I do want to mention Grant Newby, a talented Australian craftsman who first turned us on to the potential of this construction, and our internal R&D and production crew who worked tirelessly to make this tech possible in a production setting. Building one-offs or small quantities is one thing (and not to be discounted), but it also took a tremendous effort to overcome all the issues that arose as we tweaked the original recipe to increase performance and build reasonable quantities. Of course having our own vertical factory was a huge help.

J: Thanks Mark.

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Here's the thread on the other forum

http://forum.surfermag.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2464596&an=0&...

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

haaa''

    interesting  considering  long before firewire     i was berated for bandsawing my own venners from selected timber

   oh'' oh''  balsa was the holy grail            thank you firewire  for confirming what i have known for so long

       now fellas   infuse your venners and it gets even better

    oh well  back to the cave''

    cheers huie

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

droppin' hints Huie?

I'd just like to get my hands on some decent / useable Paulownia.

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

now fellas   infuse your venners and it gets even better


now fellas   infuse your venners and it gets even better


now fellas   infuse your venners and it gets even better

Well said huie !!!!!!

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

Neat. What ever happened to building Firewire boards in San Diego?

Let me guess???  Oh...I have a good idea......it doesn't have anything to do with materials.

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Re: [huie] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

huie wrote:

       now fellas   infuse your venners and it gets even better

I only have one question. How?

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Re: [huie] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

huie wrote:

haaa''

    interesting  considering  long before firewire     i was berated for bandsawing my own venners from selected timber

   oh'' oh''  balsa was the holy grail            thank you firewire  for confirming what i have known for so long

       now fellas   infuse your venners and it gets even better

    oh well  back to the cave''

    cheers huie

Begs the question H.....how many years will it take these guys to find the cedrela oderata !.....(lol)

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

first word

Gary Young

second word

Chris Garrett

third word 

Roy Stewart

fourth word

Paul Jensen

fifth word

Grain

firewire is the microsoft/apple of surfboard manufacturers

its all about marketing and taking credit for someone else's hardwork these days

Marconi must be laughing in his grave throwing darts at a Bell photo

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

Much credit for this latest  Firewire series goes to Grant Newby who advanced the process to this point...

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Re: [gdaddy] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

So, 4 years later Firewire is right back to the point where they started?

Swap Paulownia for Balsa and you're right back to where they started with Bert.

I guess they needed to learn it on their own before it really sank in that there was a method to Bert's madness.

Burned some bridges there, a quick call to one of the core guys in their startup strategy would have given them a wealth of knowledge.

They'll get turned on to cork in another 2 years or so.

I hate to be so negative about what is a really cool process and a great end result. It's the manner in which Firewire goes about it that leaves such a bad taste in my mouth.

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Re: [oneula] FIREWIRE brings paulownia to the masses

oneula wrote:

first word

Gary Young

second word

Chris Garrett

third word 

Roy Stewart

fourth word

Paul Jensen

fifth word

Grain

firewire is the microsoft/apple of surfboard manufacturers

its all about marketing and taking credit for someone else's hardwork these days

Marconi must be laughing in his grave throwing darts at a Bell photo

I evolved a lot of what I do straight from Gary Young and Bert Berger's work. They really paved the way for composite wood boards and were nice enough to share they're methods with everyone. Bob Simmons was also making composite wood boards back in the late 40's. Nothing new about this Firewire tech...

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