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Hi

I have built 3 hollow boards so far basically using Jack Youngs' techniques combined with Paul Jensons' cork rail idea.  I am using plywood ribs and redwood decking. My latest is 8'2',' dome top, flat bottom, glassed on fin, glassed with 4oz epoxy, double layer on the deck, it weighs in at 19lbs. [img_assist|nid=1065960|title=Redwood Hollow 8'2 dometop|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=640|height=480][img_assist|nid=1065961|title=Redwood Hollow 8'2 dometop bottom view|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=640|height=480]I really don't enjoy working with the cork on the rails, so I am thinking of trying to build a board using Roy Stewarts technique. The problem for me is I live in N. Calif and so far have been unable to find Paulownia locally. I am on a limited budget and having wood shipped here from the East Coast or Oz would cost too much, so I am thinking of building a "Roy" out of Redwood, but am a little concerned about weight. First off , has anyone bought plans from Roy, and if so, how complete are they? I am frankly reluctant to fork over $200 for plans to a guy who has his boards listed for sale for half a million dollars! I am intrigued by his boards though, cool shapes, interesting fins (or lack of fins). I've watched a few videos of someone riding one of his boards and it looks pretty interesting (maybe it's the red wetsuit and helmet!) Has anyone built one, or ridden one? How did it turn out, what kind wood was used, did you do the tunnel fin or a regular slyle?

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Roy doesn't post here, but he is a regular at the Tree-to-Sea forum, and the Surfermag design forum.  There are a few guys at the Tree-to-Sea forum that have built Roy-style boards.  If I were you, I would take my question over to that forum, you'll probably get some better response / insight.  http://www.grainsurf.com/forum/search.php?search_id=active_topics

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Hi there,

I built a fish using Roy Stewarts method about 5 years ago - link below to the pics in quivermag.

http://www.quivermag.com/node/1900

I enjoyed making it but it was a lot of work - I didn't count the hours but I'd estimate about 30 hours work... Ohh back in the days before kids when I had the time :)

Pros and cons i found with this method are:

Pros:

  • Low tech... Not too many tools required and does not require any out of the ordinary tools
  • You go from flat wood to a surfboard in the process... Pretty cool
  • Efficient use of timber - you don't end up with much waste
  • Does not need to be glassed (I'm not a very good glasser :)
  • Easy process to follow

Cons:

  • it's very time consuming... Make sure you have time to go the distance
  • Comes out pretty heavy... There are other wood construction methods that will turn out lighter
  • I found the rails a real bitch to shape... The end grain rails ( due to the construction method) are a lot of work to get right... I killed a belt sander in the process :)

Anyway - I say do it and remember... Show us the pics :)

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Thanks for the info. I will check out the other forum mentioned.

I am suprised to hear that you don't need to glass the boards. How is he able to seal the planking seams on the top and bottom?

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Built one to my own design a couple years ago from pine. Bit heavy for a go to but nice and easy to build, especially shaping. Tight deck joins mean a lick of epoxy (no glass) and it's sealed. Build thread on grainsurf forum

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I miss Roy Stewart. The Mods gave him a break but it did not work out. Roy looks outside of the box..... Love him or hate him Roy Stewart builds surfboards with nice outlines and very clean finish work....before you jump from one building method to the next you might want to spend some time looking at outline curves and rail lines...rocker and rails and roll...


 Some boards look pretty.....  Some surf good.


 


 

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Roy Stewart builds surfboards with nice outlines

Roy's outlines (plan shapes) are just about the ugliest things I've ever seen. Laughably bad.

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i actually think they are quite beautiful, i can understand the designs aren't everyones cup of tea - but i'd never slag off anybodys project - especially when we know they float and surf, maybe not how you would wantr to surf - but surf they do.

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karuhi wrote:

i can understand the designs aren't everyones cup of tea - but i'd never slag off anybodys project - especially when we know they float and surf, maybe not how you would wantr to surf - but surf they do.

I think the criticism goes at the man, not the board. 

Huck did one hollow wooden board, that I would never want to ride, but I'd gladly hang in a gallery.  Huck got nothing but compliments on his craftsmanship.

Roy on the other hand throws insults like rice on a wedding day, and claims to be the most gifted board maker there ever was.

It seems to be the general rule, with a few exceptions, that everyone is welcome to post anything they built, and they mostly get applause and truly honest criticism.  It seems to be just as much as a rule that if you brag, someone will come along to say your  s#1t still stinks.

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Uprubicon14,

Sorry for the tremendously late reply to your thread, but yes I have built one. I started a thread with a bunch of pictures  "Custom wood longboard Charleston South Carolina". Hope you enjoy the read!

Steve

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Roy posted a step by step description of his technique on Sways many years ago.. It could be in the Archives ?  I thought I had a copy on disc several houses ago....

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I never see Roy make comments that aren't unprovoked. He does have a very honest critique but I mostly see him defending himself when he gets bashed.

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Steve83 wrote:

I never see Roy make comments that aren't unprovoked.

Nonsense. He makes ridiculous claims about his ugly abominations that he calls surfboards.
He stated that his "Pipeline" board would out perform any other design at Pipe. He's made claims of achieving ridiculous speeds and riding triple OH waves on his beastly crafts, yet has never once provided the smallest bit of evidence to back up his claims. He's a blowhard and a delusional fool.
I am suspicious of anyone who defends him.

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Steve83 wrote:

I never see Roy make comments that aren't unprovoked. He does have a very honest critique but I mostly see him defending himself when he gets bashed.

this could be the most uninformed comment I have come across for a long, long time.

you need to get out more often.

lol.

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It's a good design and construction method and design and the boards have drive.

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Steve83 wrote:

It's a good design and construction method and design and the boards have drive.

You have completely butchered the English language with this compilation of words.

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Steve83 wrote:

It's a good design and construction method

No, it isn't. Ugly boards. Bad curves. Time consuming and a waste of wood.

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SammyA....... I'm calling you out.  You have never ridden a Roy Stewart surfboard dude!!! So shut up!!! Your a hater! Your comments are based on nothing but B S.  Buy one or make one and ride it and then talk shit. Until then it just makes you a blow hard! Back up your facts dude. People like you are the reason Roy can't contribute to these threads for anxious learn ears. Shame on you. 

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SammyA....... Your a hater!..... People like you are the reason Roy can't contribute to these threads .....

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Steve83,

Your a hater??? I'm sure you meant YOU'RE a hater. Which SammyA is not. As far as Roy's designs, they are a great leap forward from surfboard designs of the mid 1930's. And it ends there. At best they are a curiosity, in today's world. IF YOU ARE ANXIOUS TO LEARN, the Swaylocks Forum is a good place for that pursuit. Your best chance of learning anything, is by listening, and asking reasonably intelligent questions. Presently, you are behaving like a cult follower, embracing a ''new religious truth.'' I hope you manage to snap out of it.

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SammyA....... I'm calling you out. . You have never ridden a Roy Stewart surfboard dude!!!

Correct. I have never ridden one, nor would I want to. They are ugly, non-functional pieces of shit.

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So shut up!!! Your a hater! Your comments are based on nothing but B S.Buy one or make one and ride it and then talk shit. Until then it just makes you a blow hard! Back up your facts dude. People like you are the reason Roy can't contribute to these threads for anxious learn ears. Shame on you.

WTF is a "learn ear"? Are you old enough to drive, yet? Or, are you a high school dropout? Home schooled, maybe?
You want "facts"? I already gave you two. Roy makes outrageous claims about the performance of those abominations he builds. Yet, he has never provided one iota of evidence to back up his nonsensical posturings.
If you chose to waste time and money building a replica of one of his barges, so be it. I'm sure you have lots of time on your hands down there in SC where the surf gets decent three or four days a year.
You might also try learning how to surf before tackling any waves with that behemoth you built. You know...on a surfboard, instead.

Roy cannot participate here because he is unable to engage in a civil, rational discussion with those who are far more experienced than he is.
A bit like you, actually.

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SammyA bashes anything Roy Stewart. A cult follower? Roy's surfboards work dude ......if you have one post a ride report. Other than that shut the Gluck up. You are a snub foam rider without the compacity for forethought and greater thinking.

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You appear to be a cult follower of the foam.  Your mind is incapable of entertainng new ideas in surfboard construction, Do you know foam surfboards came into existence because they are easier for the manufacturer to make and for no other reason? Wood is the ultimate. Keep surfing your $600 beer cooler.

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Steve83 wrote:

You appear to be a cult follower of the foam.  Your mind is incapable of entertainng new ideas in surfboard construction, Do you know foam surfboards came into existence because they are easier for the manufacturer to make and for no other reason? Wood is the ultimate. Keep surfing your $600 beer cooler.

At the very least, you an IGNORANT, UNINFORMED, SIMPLETON. I rather think yours is a hopeless case. You're acting like the guy in the FunnyFarm, who's just been told he's crazy. Can't believe it, can you, DUDE? FYI, I was shaping wood surfboards, and riding them, long before you were born. Take a look at the photo on this post. That's me, on a board that I made. The wave is fair sized, and I have ridden larger. My point is, Roy's boards have not even been in waves that size. Where did you get your information about how and why foam boards came into existence? Were you there? I was. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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Sammy is right.

Sent to me by P.M.  Steve83, Roy, Stoneburner and BGsurfer are all the same person.

(If you don't get the joke http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/hoax-fin-update?page=14).

But I really do think Steve is Roy

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Most people here appreciate longboards of wooden construction, even if they wouldn't choose to surf one. We have a thread with hundreds of wooden boards of various types of construction. Roy's build process is interesting, too. But the design and uber-rocker is atypical and the style of surfing that the design forces on its riders is also atypical. That's not a subjective judgement - it's pretty obvious. You would be incapable of doing a pivoting turn or an off the lip snap on your board - assuming you're capable of surfing like that in the first place.

Whether the limited range of motion is bad or good is in the eye of the beholder, but at this point most people have no interest in standing in the middle of the board and surfing it from there. THAT is the main reason only a few people will ever copy his designs. Not the fact that he's from NZ or that he works in wood.

And don't kid yourself that foam only prevails because wood is harder to work with. Wood also has other limitations, particularly with respect to weight. A shaper can make a 40# longboard in foam if that's what they want to do, but you can't do a 4# shortboard with Roy's build process or any other wood-only build process.

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BTW, I'd be interested in trying his build method, but I'd definitely have to change a couple aspects to fit the designs I would normally favor for a heavy longboard.

P.S. Roy sells his plans. Since you based your board primarily on his work and especially since he apparently helped you out by personally by answering some questions and providing some input it would be cool of you to kick down a few bucks his way. Karma and all that.

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I don't think Steve83 is Roy because Roy can spell. I do think Steve has drank the Roy kool-aid though.

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Hey DUDE ! BITCHIN !! Beat me with a 2x4 !!!!

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Roy is gone, but you guys are perpetuating the negative shit he brought out. Let Roy's legacy go. It's not something you want to perpetuate.

The title of this thread is about using Roy's method of making a board. Cam made a beautiful fish using Roy's style. This guy from SC made a typical one and likes it. Why tear him apart for making the board. 

I think it's terrible that a bunch of Grumpy has beens are taking all the stoke out of the younger generation. Yeah you know what works or what worked for you back in the day. So what. That don't mean a thing to these new guys learning for themselves. Let them have fun learning what doesn't work. Maybe they can do great things with a board you could never ride. That makes you the Kook because you can only ride "good" boards.

I see people riding old pieces of crap and getting on just fine. They laugh at all the I have to have the newest cool boards. Guys are tearing it up on costco boards that cost $100.

Swaylocks has turned into a real downer. People baiting others so they can rip them apart, others putting PM message info out for all the rest to see. 

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sharkcountry wrote:

Roy is gone, but you guys are perpetuating the negative shit he brought out. Let Roy's legacy go.

The Roy legacy was let go long ago, by a great many forum members, me among them. It would however, be most helpful if people new to the forum or existing players, would refrain from vomiting up his crazy claims and misleading information. The personal attacks don't do much to keep the temperature down either. So, pardon me, if I don't suffer fools or ill informed comment well. I'll try to do better in the future. But it's really difficult at times.

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thrailkill wrote:

It would however, be most helpful if people new to the forum or existing players, would refrain from vomiting up his crazy claims and misleading information. .......I don't suffer fools or ill informed comment well. ..... it's really difficult at times.

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