Gary Seaman was without a doubt a great shaper and yes he did shape the first Ugly. I have never suggested otherwise. He was skilled in the art of shaping surfboards and in my opinion was one of the finest shaper's I ever worked with. So was his brother Roy. I never used a plainer to design my boards. It takes time to develop the muscle skills to use a plainer and I never wanted to spend the time. I applied my surfing skills to my designs. I experimented with shapes by asking my shaper to adjust certain angles. After learning the fundimental functions of shapes and communicating them to the shaper, i.e., length, width in the center, nose and tail, thickness, rocker and rail shapes from Harold "Iggy" Igg and Dewey Weber in early '63, I began experimenting. After Dewey, I switched manufacturers. My first model was with Ernie Tanaka who was a great shaper and manufacturer. Then came shapers Roy and Gary Seaman, Tim Pharris, Mike Olivares, Pat Ryan, Glenn Kenedy, Don Kadowaki. All of my manufacturers gave me the board I designed. Sometimes I called in the shape to the shaper and as time wore on that was most often the case. Dewey started me out with free surfboards. Dewey gave me one of his designs first, then I got an Iggy model. After that I started choosing the design elements. All manufacturers were my sponsors and they were all very generous. Regretfully, I had to sue Con and won 100% of my claim, which was that he withheld my royalties from my Ugly and Super Ugly models and breached our contract. I also testified under oath that I designed The Ugly and Super Ugly surfboards. My recollection of the situation I was put in by Con was very unpleasant and still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Especially, when someone decides that they know it better than me and challeges what I know. I thought I put this issue to rest a long time ago with my detailed explanation above from 2010. I just have to wonder who this "Tmk" is and what is his motive?