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Nothing new.  Guys have been doing this for decades.  I was just bored and looking try this.  You may have seen the outstanding Asymm board that George Gall at PlusOne built for me.  It had no nose to speak of, giving it a bit more rail line. And as an added bonus, I love to reach up and use it as a lever help with minor duck dives.  It is like a handle, sort of.  So, I cut my nose off on an existing board for which the nose seemed superfluous.  It went from a 6-5 to a 6-2.  I saved the cut off piece and put it in the freezer in case I wanted to reattach it.

If you have a thought, let's hear it.

I made the cut at a bevel and rounded the nose a little for......what?  Looks?  If for looks, why not just leave the whole thing on there? 

Whatever.  Kinda of bored today.

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Wow.

Looks like you cleaned the rust off the saw by doing the cut!

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LOL.  yes I did.  luckily it came off the board.  You know, I knew that would happen and cleaned it with alcohol first, but stil left some residew. 

BTW, since it is OK to hijack your own thread, I guess, I was particularly interested to see the foam/glass interface.  I glassed it with 6 oz Xglass from GM.  I had sealed with just spackle and there was just about no resin soaking through.  And the skin was strong and unyeilding to the pinch.  The total stack was 6 oz Xglass and 4 oz E with a 2 oz cover on that.  Holding up well, but it has been lightly riden since getting the one you made for me.

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I love blunt nosed boards. Throw em in the back of the truck with no regard.

nice work.

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Love it.  Not that I care about trends, but this is one that I forsee growing in popularity, once the herd gets their head around the concept and the potential benefits.

Board makers should love it too, as you can essentially make a board with less materials all the way around if you plan it that way from the beginning.

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from the movie ,"salton sea".


maybe we should call you ,"poo bear" ?


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I just cut about 5 inches off my al merick. straight cut. should i just fill the foam with res/hardner before i re-fiber glass it? or should i use q cell to fill in the foam before i reglass it? appreciate any information i've never cut a nose off prior. 

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Judging by where the graphics ended, it looks like it was meant to be cut off.  I'm thinking "CHEATER FIVES!"

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To spite your face?

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One of my favorite expressions.   I have a new one.  "Gee, your face looks kind of strange without a nose."

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Ha, just the other day Bauguess was retelling the story when he was shaping with Brewer on Kauai.  It was the heyday and Brewer shapes were gold...  The way he told it, Hakman, an Aussie and a S. African come into the shaping room to look at a new shape.  One of the guys spoke up and said, "Hey, I ordered a 7 foot board, this one is 8..." After an uncomfortable silence, Brewer's reply was to grab his saw and wildly chop the tail off the brand new shape, "How's that?!!" as they guys watched in abject horror. They were so blown away, not knowing what to do, they all just left quickly...  (the only thing worse would have been for the guy to say, "But, it's a square tail, I didn't want a square tail..." but not in those days...  ...they did the right thing by splitting.)

BTW, I'm declaring that this is not a hijack, since it does tie in with deliberate amputation of otherwise perfectly good shapes...  

(Not sure if you can hijack your own thread though Greg...  ...the Mods are onto you man...)

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Me too - I'll vote for it!  (are we still voting?)


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You knew I would post this pic...


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I'm a very strong paddler that gives me an advantage in catching waves.

Sometimes I get in waves that most wouldnt catch.

One of those situations is when Im paddling for a wave and its beginning to pass me up, my nose(and rest of the board) is submerged in the crest, but I'm still paddling and pull out an ace(through hard charging paddling) and catch the wave.

A blunt nose would be a liabilty and I wouldnt catch the wave in this situation. Having a pointy nose assists in this situation and with a snub nose I'd lose the wave.

Just some info for some of you.

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Geeze! What's going on here?!!

[img_assist|nid=1067518|title=A_Symm3rdGen with Square Nose|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=478|height=640]

Going ape over the square noses...

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George, my brother Bernie got one of your asyms. I think Greg Tate turned him on to it.

I tried it in crappy waves, but it felt really good. Very interesting board. I'm waiting for him to get tired of it so I can borrow it.

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Howzit Sharkcountry,

are you guys really brothers?  I ask because brothers (other than twins) tend to be opposite stance.  If I remember right Bernie (Oneula) is regular foot.  I will be VERY curious to find out how that board goes for a goofy foot, as we have been doing a lot of studying on it here with surprising results.  One of my concerns of the broad noses was the offshores you get, but you guys are making them work.  I've sent 3 A_Symms to the S. Shore and they seem to go pretty good.  

Also, I've been corresponding with Jeff (Alexander) in Bali and as you probably know his boards are very broad nosed (twin tipped) which gives that great parallel outline in a shorter length.  

The boards paddle faster and catch waves well too since you can scoot up forward on them, and since they are so short, don't seem to catch too much wind under the broad bill (see it as a regular board without that triangle nose sticking out, I guess...)

Much mahalos,

George

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George, we are brothers. I am also regular, but I can switch. I would like to try the board in town where the wave are usually a lot better. Bernie is bigger than I am so his boards have a lot of float for me. One thing I notice about switching is that I used to like riding shorter boards when I ride goofy. I think it's because I skated goofy foot and I can get that hard turning action I'm used to when I skate. I haven't ridden the skate board for 20+ years so I've forgotten how that feels.

Bernie has 4 Gemini  boards and I have one, we like them too. I really like Jeff's fin placement for the quad. I rode an old board I made that has Jeff's quad fin placement the other day in a really good south swell and was very happy with the way it handled. I was going to give it away, so I thought I'd ride it one last time. Now I'm not sure if I want to give it away.

I always wanted the Gemini shape without the two pointed noses. The way I see the gemini is that the front has a longer rail line, but the back has a lot of curve. Like 2 boards blended. I guess that's what you're doing, blending 2 boards but in a different way.

Sorry to hi-jack the thread. I actually have a 6-6 with a very pointed nose and I wanted to cut off the tip the way Greg did. I think I will now.

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"Sorry to hi-jack the thread. I actually have a 6-6 with a very pointed nose and I wanted to cut off the tip the way Greg did. I think I will now..."

Oh boy, here we go! ha ha!  Get a saw and some solarez!

My biz partner and I started testing stubbed noses on shortboards that were otherwise unchanged (same outline, rocker, rails etc.)  We just made the exact same board off the machine but with no nose.  Conclusion: board was definitely more sensitive, it swung around quicker and felt more lively, BUT the board was almost too loose at one point.  So, we reduced the tail rocker because the board was already pretty loose and the lower tail rocker would bring back some firmness in turns plus it will for sure go faster!  Sure enough, things worked out pretty quickly, lower exit rocker, then slightly wider tail pretty much made the 90's pointed shortboards almost obsolete, plus they paddled faster.  You slide a little forward on them and paddle down into waves better.

"I always wanted the Gemini shape without the two pointed noses. The way I see the gemini is that the front has a longer rail line, but the back has a lot of curve."

Pretty much nailing it SharkCountry, like Greg Tate is doing, getting a more parallel outline along a shorter length of board, yet keeping the tail loose.  If I were to pick a board to "chop" it would be a board slightly too big, chop a few inches off the nose and maybe an inch-plus off the tail, to reduce rocker, widen tail block and tail, and sets the fin set further aft, making the rider surf neutrally further back relative to the "new length" of the board.  I've been messing with various sized front fins as well.  Combine all these things together and performance seems to improve.  The toe-side fin is usually run a little larger, check out Bernie's board for size difference from usual thruster fins...

"from the movie ,"salton sea".

maybe we should call you ,"poo bear" ?"

Very clever Herb...  

"Poo Bear did so much gack they had to cut his nose off..."

George

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"from the movie ,"salton sea".


maybe we should call you ,"poo bear" ?"


Very clever Herb...  


"Poo Bear did so much gack they had to cut his nose off..."


George............." i'm a dog !....arf..arf..arf ...........i'm a dog ! "


you're a intelligent and knowledgeable man george...........herb


 


 

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Herb, I was scratching my head over that one.  Enigmatic.

George, you are a master of many talents.  You will go far in the world of useless trivia.  ha.  Thanks for the design info too.

I should have a ride report on the stub nose this weekend.

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I'm a bit on Otis's side...


I used to make blunt, wide, rounded noses, as I felt the point was "pointless," but I watched the corner dig on late steep drops, and that bummed me out.  I started making more pointy, and veed/bellied noses, and have not seen the nose dig on those drops any more...  Granted those occurance were slighlty lumpy reef waves.   But I'm happy... Ha!


Carry on...

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Greg-

Might also want to try offset sized fins, either toe side or heel side fin bigger than the other two, even though the board is symmetric.  Would make for some interesting tests, I value your feedback as an engineer.

Herb-

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[img_assist|nid=1067649|title=Tail Rocker fix|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=648|height=368]How about the other end!  Too much tail flip, not enough drive.  A piece of 1/2" d-cell and a little epoxy.

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Very well done Everysurfer!  Good testimonial for not giving up on a board and also learning from it.

What did that do board performance-wise?

 *not too much of a hijack Greg, since it deals with board amputation (just tail rather than nose...)

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Original board had a kick in the tail. The last foot really increased the rocker curve.

Really noticable lack of acceleration on a take off.  Board would just bog at the bottom of the wave, but would work good when up out of the bottom and up the face.

The new tail is much better.  It turns better, because it keeps its speed up.  Really a good learning experience.  The last foot of rocker has more to do with performance than fins do.  I previously tried all sorts of fins trying to dial the board in.


To do the change, I stripped the glass off, and sanded the area flat.  Then vaccumed the piece of d-cell with a little Cerex between to hold the epoxy.  Then shaped the new tail and rocker.  Then bagged it with the Cerex - 4 oz - Cerex lamination schedule I've been playing with.  Set the fins and first try was this morning. 

The board is about a year old, ridden many times ant the spot I took it to, so I knew what the old tail would do.  It  was a surprising difference.

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GregTate wrote:

Nothing new.  Guys have been doing this for decades.  I was just bored and looking try this.  You may have seen the outstanding Asymm board that George Gall at PlusOne built for me.  It had no nose to speak of, giving it a bit more rail line. And as an added bonus, I love to reach up and use it as a lever help with minor duck dives.  It is like a handle, sort of.  So, I cut my nose off on an existing board for which the nose seemed superfluous.  It went from a 6-5 to a 6-2.  I saved the cut off piece and put it in the freezer in case I wanted to reattach it.

If you have a thought, let's hear it.

I made the cut at a bevel and rounded the nose a little for......what?  Looks?  If for looks, why not just leave the whole thing on there? 

Whatever.  Kinda of bored today.

Color is tempera paint on the foam.

This is good stuff Greg.....far more appealling and valid (IMO) than the current trend of "gimmick-tails".........

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GPz-6Qj_vA&feature=player_detailpage&lis...

Anyone know how to embed the youtube vid here?  Besides doing that, could you also explain how?  thx

BTW, I think there is more to it than just cutting the nose off, as I did.  I think the rocker needs to be planned out to match.  That could take some time.

All the best

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Me too! Just shaped a longboard for myself too. Herbie Fletcher inspired.

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i hope people don;t get confused and think they can turn their 6'2 into a tomo style board just by lopping a foot off the nose!!

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pirate_agenda wrote:

i hope people don;t get confused and think they can turn their 6'2 into a tomo style board just by lopping a foot off the nose!!

Haha true... I also hope that people don't think that the last 6 inches of a standard shortboard serve a function.

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