Thanks again Atom. Alternative avenues to get a board for the keel fin would help out alot. But, I still need a way to contact you (i.e., e-mail). What about the other question. Do you personally move your star fin up in the box in smaller surf? If so...are we talking forward like Bertleman and the other guys on Stings used to ride 'em back in the 70's? Mitch
Mitch, eval(unescape('%64%6f%63%75%6d%65%6e%74%2e%77%72%69%74%65%28%27%3c%61%20%68%72%65%66%3d%22%6d%61%69%6c%74%6f%3a%62%61%62%61%67%31%32%33%40%61%6f%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%22%3e%62%61%62%61%67%31%32%33%40%61%6f%6c%2e%63%6f%6d%3c%2f%61%3e%27%29%3b')) I put the fin right in the middle.I never use a screw or a jam and I have never lost one. Hooking you up with alternative shaper is no problem. Are you opposed to epoxy? I sent Cheyne an epoxy nugget shaped from one of his personal templates and he loved it. Epoxy blanks are wider so it's easy to get the wide tail. You have to be more picky with clark foam.
Cool. I recall hearing Cheyne mention the same thing concerning the placement of his own fin - "Scream In Blue" - was younger then and thought he was joking. Saw another guy in Hawaii named John Orr with one of his fins...same thing. Guess I was wrong. Epoxy's fine. I rode an epoxy longboard (Patagonia) for quite a while. Still have it. Fun. Don't know of anyone doing epoxy in So. Cal outside of Point Blanks in Ventura. Heard of someone in Oceanside but can't confirm it. Originally from Hawaii so I'm not familiar with the industry here... I take it that all your keel fins are molded - do they stand up to daily use? Rocks and reefs aside! I take it that if I go through with this 7' 10" Double Ender + keel that I don't have to place the box far back on the tail? You had also mentioned that Cheyne's still fit as ever - what is he, fourty-something? Is he still a vegetarian? Lift weights? Etc. Thanks again, this is really helping. There's really no place I can go to get a straight answer about these keel fins. Mitch
I've been riding my star fin for about a week now. Surfing it on my 6'3" single fin egg the biggest difference is the holding power. It's really solid off the bottom and seems to work best high in the face. I see why the Australian's won the America's cup. Driving in the soup behind sections your planted like a redwood tree. To me it is not as snappy in the turns as my standard flex fin but on my next session I'm going to move it way up and see what happens. There also seems to be a bit of drag depending on where you are on the wave. Keeping your board on rail and your turns flowing is when the fin comes alive. Keeping your board way high in the pocket and camping out is what makes this fin worth having. Overall not as hot doggy as my flex fin but I'm still testing for the sweet spot. I've got about 3" of fin box left to explore. Using a floating leash from DA Kine solves the leash drag problem. SR over and out. http://www.boardfishing.com
Mitch, Keels are real tough. Made out of stuff that not as brittle as first ones. Why 7'10'' double ender. You should try a 7'10'' nugget. I spoke with Johnny Orr today. He shapes boards himself. He shaped a couple of the boards in Scream in Blue. Cheyne is not as into the veggie thing, probably still 80%. Not on tour and married, but still fit as anyone on tour. He really got ripped the first year of the Billibong XXL and I thought is was close this year as well. If you want a Cheyne type board out of epoxy I would recommend Steve Forstall, he has shaped a few of them and is one of the best egg shapers in the business. Him and Greg have mastered epoxy. He is in Melborne Fl. Mccoy surftech nuggets should be ready by August. I think Randy will make them available in U.S.
I see people down around Byron Bay riding those nuggets all the time. If you want one go to Byron and get the real one there and ride with the hippies.
Notce I said Cheyne type boards. If it does not say Mccoy on it it's not a nugget. There is much more to that design than outline. I always say go to the sorce.
Atom, Is John still shaping? I tried to contact him once about the possibility of getting a board but he was busy taking care of an orchard somewhere up in the country. Checked out the McCoy website and thought the Nuggets were interesting. Shipping one from Australia would be so expensive! Does Greg Pautsch still have contact with McCoy - design wise? Maybe the Surftech thing is a viable option. Does Cheyne still sell his Rainbow Rock clothing? And stickers? Used to see them 'round the North Shore but haven't lately. Can you get these items besides keel fins? Mahalo.
John still shapes, hard to get. His boards are called liquid. Mostly to freinds and such. Next to Mccoy Forstall's look really good. Pautsh and Mccoy on so so terms. Greg could do one from the picture because nuggets are really just lazor zaps with more nose and more parallel rails. Rails need to be real soft almost through the tail. I have some Rainbow Rock stickers, but Cheyne does not do that much any longer. He is sponsored by Cult. Even Jeff Bushman could probably do one, if you could talk him into it. Bushy is pretty versatile.
Hope you don't mind the continued questions - you have been a wealth of info! What about bottom contours? From Cheyne's movie, some of his boards seemed to have channels. Even in the nose area. Some years ago when I saw one of John's boards - same thing. I think he and Cheyne had a small surf shop in Haleiwa at the time - closed unfortunately. If I get a Nugget or close representative of it...what would you recommend. "V"? Channels? ? Thanks again! Mitch