>>> ps thanks sk for the semi gun tips. The board came out so good I was > shocked on every level . >>>>>> Smokin, I'm glad that everything worked out for you, very cool, Best Regards, sk
>>> This is a good question and one that I'd like to hear the answer to.>>> But as far as the other observations regarding board vs. rider vs. > performance -- this is something I think alot about because I also > "experiment" alot with single fins. This is an impossible topic > because how well someone rides a wave is ultimately a subjective > evaluation. But here goes my observations.>>> There is the school of thought from some readers in this forum that > anything less than three fins is a drastic step back in board design > progression and ultimately performance. To NOT use a thruster is a > compromise of performance.>>> Then there's the ride what you like as long as it's fun school.>>> Finally, there's the school which postulates that each wave/rider > combination has an optimum craft for optimum performance.>>> Personally, I kind of fall into all three schools -- and I think this is > largely because I can't see myself surfing.>>> I think that single fins have a learning curve and that they require a > modification of surfing style from that of a thruster. Given these things > it's my contention that within that style, single fins are smoother and > faster and freer than thrusters.>>> Ultimately I think its an apples and oranges question -- and a style > choice. If you want to eat oranges and surf within a particular style > single fins are the highest performance craft out there. But then again > the same thing can be said for bodysurfing.>>> Not sure if this was a ramble or I'm making sense. Limitations abound everywhere within surfing, just waiting to be encountered. Beyond personal preference, performance and style, a given design will only trim so fast, change direction so quickly, and paddle so well... no matter who`s on top of it. Some shapes are downright fantastic, but only begin to kick into gear at the extremes. Other shapes don`t ever catch fire and never seem to do any one thing really well. Much of this discussion revolves around fairly forgiving, common, everyday types of surf, which tend to invite a person into getting away with riding almost anything, used in nearly any manner. The shades of performance and speed are very often blurred. But, in more severe waves of consequence, (large or small), the functional differences between riders and their boards, are obvious. In the course of one`s life as a surfer, many of us will eventually come to consider if it`s we who have been playing the song, or if that song has been playing us. Are you a willing captive of the sea, or do you imagine yourself to be its master? Are the waves you ride, your true personal shaper, or are they just some temporary moving objects to be torn, slashed and defeated? Perhaps a passing fashion trend that reflects favorably on you? There are huge differences in how you answer. It can be seen in the way a person surfs, as well as where, with what (and whom) they choose to ride. Maybe a little in all of the above? In any case, it definitely shows in city traffic!
>>> i would shape you a less abrasive personality, with a little V in the last > 1/3rd see -- now ramon, THAT was funny! thanks
besides RAMON (kidding) you guys (and maybe some girls) really went above and beyond the call -- thanks again. oh yeah, maybe sk will shape me one, i can test it and report back? kidding. again, seriously, thanks for the input. even you dale...you are a poet that makes me haveto think, but i guess it is ok to think every so often.
>>> see -- now ramon, THAT was funny! thanks I'M STILL LAUGHING! THANKS
This was one of the best and most enjoyable threads I have read! Thanks to all that contributed and riddler for the question. Jon
>>> I just made myself a 7'3" single fin semi gun rounded pin 12.5 n by > 20 by 12.75 t I use a fins unlimited 8" egg fin. The box set 4.5 off > the tail with slight v running out the last 3rd of the board. I used a 7'3 > eaton blank natural I put the wide point 3.5 inches up from center it's 2 > 7/8 thick. I had it glassed 6/4 top 4 bottom I'm 5'10" 155 and It > friggin rips. I wouldn't want it any fuller you don't need it especially > if your going to take into some heavier beach break surf. Smokin resin- Just got a board similar to what you described and trying to get the fin setup dialed in. Do you know the specific name of the fin you are using? One of the Takayamas? I don't know if all their fins are on the website. Thanks.
great.... i 'zing' a guy in front of everybody at swaylock's, and he turns out to be a nice person with a sense of humor! now i should take back what i said. is that okay? regards>>> see -- now ramon, THAT was funny! thanks
>>> It is a good question and one that I think we all share a common interest > in. Whether it be simply an equipment issue or one which we try to address > from the point of view of a shaper/designer. I'm looking at single fin > hull type shape in the 7'0"-7'4" range. Aside from the basic > design questions regarding rail design, volume and outline I'm puzzled > over the fin layout. I think what I'm going to do is put a long single fin > box in and 2 adjustable (RedX or F.U. thruster) boxes and spend some time > deciding what works best for my average surf conditions and style.>>> TS Tom: check out Greg liddle's website at liddlesurfboards.com.he may have the type of board you are looking for and if not, i think you will get some good input design and fin setup wise.Matt
>>> Smokin resin- Just got a board similar to what you described and trying to > get the fin setup dialed in. Do you know the specific name of the fin you > are using? One of the Takayamas? I don't know if all their fins are on the > website. Thanks. It's in the fins unlimited site under (standard 1) scroll to the bottom. 8" egg fin. After moving it up three times I finally settled in where I like it. I didn't pay attention to the distance off the tail just tick marks to show my progression. . I then read Stu's suggestion of where he would put his fin on this type of board. So I measured mine to see where I fell in. It's 8" on the money. Incidentally I made a mistake on my board measurements it's actually N12.5 by W 20 by T 13.25 I hope yours is as fun as mine.