I don't know anything about the recent production, but while I was working for Dennis Choate in the 80's (the boatbuilder- www.denchomarine.com ), he told me he had worked for Hobie shaping the Phil Edwards model. I was twenty something back then and just not in tune with surf history so it meant little to me. Nor did it mean much when Mickey Munoz used to visit the shop. I was just like "Oh, the quasimodo guy." I missed out on great opportunities.
Years later there was an article in Surfer's Journal about Phil Edward's new boat...built by Dennis Choate. So I figure he was not just telling tales.
johnmellor wrote: I gotta say it's a little spooky when throw away brochures I pull out of my pile of crap can be used for historical reference.
You know very well;
Today's "pile of crap" is usually tomorrow's historical goldmine.
It's just happening much faster..........
No; It's not an ironing board.
Gabe, still out there?
MikeDaniel wrote: Jim, while we're on this subject, and since you were there and paying attention,what was the stringer set-up on the original Phil models? I know they had a lot ofwood in them, wasn't it multiple T-bands or something?
The original 60s Phils had three stringers. Center stick was wider than the offsets. My first board was a second-hand PE Hobie. Wish I'd kept it (I know I know...)
Two ads from 65 and 66. The group shot is (L to R) Joey hamasaki, Joyce Hoffman, Munoz, Phil, and Billy Hamilton. That's a "Phil" in the center. The Phil lam was silver foil, as I recall.
The other pic is scan of a Hobie ad, with what appears to be a Phil near top right. I outlined it in red.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
mcmalibu wrote: The one thing everybody conveniently forgets is that Phil created the first dished out bottom of a boards nose to make a "noserider" for the 1966 Morey noseriding contest. Yes before they made them at Bing.
The Hobie Noserider debuted in 1965. I have one. Edwards and Munoz are credited with the design. It's called a "concave". Munoz won the first Morey Invitational (1965) on that very design.
In fact, Munoz took the men's division, and Corky Carroll won the juniors on the same shape.
Anyone else note a similarity between the Edwards model and Harbour's Trestle Special? Three stringers, pulled in tail, pointy nose...
Thanks for the pics. Your posting of all these old ads, etc. contributes a lot to these history threads.
My inquiry was based on a structural perspective, but that doesn't stop me from admiring those beautiful old boards.
MikeDaniel wrote: My inquiry was based on a structural perspective, but that doesn't stop me from admiring those beautiful old boards.
Anyone who has George Orbelian's book "Essential Surfing" may recall that he also claims the Edwards Model was prone to snapping. It is in the context of comparing stringer choices VS the other factors that provide strength. I hold the opinion that while stringer choice can contribute some resistance to snapping in half, the deck and bottom contours play a larger role, along with the glass job, itself.
I had a PE as my daily driver in the early 90's, 9'8" triple stringer, bought off the rack. It was a "frustratingly" hard board to ride well, my friend LJ said Phil was the only man alive who could really rip on one. I traded her in and never went back. Testament to how well PE could surf.