popey wrote: Given the feedback I got from you about "all" surfboards being fiberglass...
Did I say that "all" surfboards are made with fiberglass? No.
popey wrote: we are the only shop in the area that does not sell Bics or foam surfboards.
popey wrote: A Tool has traditionally referred to things like hammers,screwdrivers and wrenches.Now in 2010 we can correctly say Sammy is a Tool :)
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This was how my popout was made:the construction of the school popout (secondary school/high school - I was 15 at the time) was engineered by the woodwork teacher who didn't surf but was an avid canoe/kayak enthusiast and ran the school canoe club. We were already well familiar with producing cheap moulded canoes and we blew lumps of brown 2 part PU foam in the ends of our canoes to stop them from sinking so even had a bit of basic foam blowing experience under our belt. I was always hanging around the school canoe club involving myself in the canoe building labour even lunchtimes, I enjoyed it. I had a canoe from there at age 13.All labour supplied by the schoolkids.1. Borrow a surfboard from the Welsh champion's of that time. The teacher was smart and recognised the value of starting with a proven shape and at 6' 4" and thick (this was the 70s) it had ample float for the children. Using another shape without royalities is not strictly ethical but it was non-commercial and just a way of getting very affordable boards for the students - I think cost was approx 15 or 20 British pounds sterling.2. build up a masonite flange running around the entire perimeter of the rail. Fill in gaps with mould plaster then paint one side, flange and all with release agent.3. paint on a thick layer of the thixotropic gel coat resin on one side covering the flange and wait for that to set.4. gel coat remains tacky and receives many layers of chopped strand mat. The mat is cheaper, builds up thickness quickly and getting a mould stiff enough to hold its shape is the requirement.5. Prise off the masonite flange which will expose the moulded side of the fibreglass flange. Paint the flange and other side of the board in release agent.6. repeat steps 3 and 4.7. drill holes at intervals through both layers of the flange to receive metal bolts.============================= mould now built, board replication below ==============1. paint inside of both halves of the moulds with release agent.2. paint inside of both halves of the mould with gel coat (can lay down masked out areas for simple colour designs)3. lay up a layer of mat with rollers. Fin was also glassed in place through a slot in the hull mould.4. bolt both halves of the mould together4. pouring in the foam then slamming the 2 halves of the mould together was considered but the speed necessary to do this was thought to be a problem so the approach of leaving the tail end of the mold open was taken.5. stand mould on its nose, mix up brown foam and tip it down the opening in the tail.6. prise apart mould and pop out a near finished board.7. cover the seam and open end of the tail with fibreglass tape - we used to do a fairly messy job of this and not attempt to finish sand it to a seamless looking join.I learned to surf on one of these.
Sammy the tool says:"epoxy vs fiberglass". In fact, the website that image in the original post comes from advertises their boards as "fiberglass"
we call soft boards foam boards here.
the statement you were picking on says...
popey wrote: Sammy the tool says:"epoxy vs fiberglass". In fact, the website that image in the original post comes from advertises their boards as "fiberglass"
If you would take better care in reading you would see that I was not referring to your website when I wrote "epoxy vs fiberglass". I simply likened your lack of knowledge to other people who use that term.
Again you resort to name calling because your ill-conceived, uninformed, poorly thought out arguments cannot be supported by reason, facts, or civil discussion.
I will be the better man, here, and refrain from using a wide variety of descriptive terms to sum up your MO and mind set.
I will say this...You have no business selling surfboards to anyone. You don't know what in the hell you're talking about, and I pity anyone who hands you money for a product you have 'pitched' to them.
Here's a link you need to heed:
they are just surfboards nothing else, the rest of the BS bantered about for decades is about people trying to protect their little piece of the pie of making a living no one should be making a living off of anyway.
I thought swaylocks was built so that just about anyone could learn about the joys & frustrations of make their own surfboards so all the stuff that's been causing all the ever growing troubles these past 50-70 years in the line up would hopefully go away and just leave behind the stoke about riding waves on something you made yourself.
Kind of like making the drug addicts grow their own drugs for personal use versus them growing more pakalolo tyhan they need to sell to someone else to make a quick buck as well. I think that's what happened to surfing over the last century.
loved my Dextra pop out and it's sun faced logo
my dad bought it for us from uncle george downing in kapahulu sometime between 1968-1970
the board was pretty much indestructable under normal use
heavy as a rock
hard to ride with no rocker and egg rails which made me a better surfer in the end
here are three stupid groms posing at the family beach house infront of sharkcountry sometime between 1968-1970. A no rocker dextra with clear plastic fin on left while the other two smiling monkeys are sporting a couple homemade custom handcrafted boards (A green triple stringer version of a hot dogger by my uncle bill for his son and a stae of the art 5'2" custom Isaac Tanaka special)
Regarding fish, the same monkey's quiver sometime later between 1970 and 1974 (I reshaped the twinpin(started as a single) out of a trash can gift from my neighbor broke it in half and repaired it with bondo)
sometime in 2008 30-40 years later (Griffin G10 Twin, Firewire fish, homemade compsand fish) Do things really change that much or do we just forget what where we came from?
"ain't no big ting brudda"
Sammy the Tool says----I will say this...You have no business selling surfboards to anyone. You don't know what in the hell you're talking about, and I pity anyone who hands you money for a product you have 'pitched' to them.
popey wrote: Tool tool tool tool tool
You are so hindered by your lack of knowledge that all of your rebuttals have degenerated to misquoting me, and name calling.
Why do I get the feeling that your "surf shop" is nothing more than a clothing store with a few boards displayed in a corner?