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I'll go take a shower
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I get back to this
chair in front of
try lam a 24x 28 fin sheet
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take time out from television
ambrose M. curry III
The title of this forum is "Swaylock's Surfboard Design Forum". So if your talking design you're on topic.
I have NEVER had a desire to build surfboards but once I started riding them I quickly realised that some surfboards went better for me than others. I became intensely interested in surfboard design.
I admire and respect those people on this forum that have taken their interest in design to the next level and started building their own surfboards, and respect even more those for whom it has become a passion and a way of life.
This forum is about surfboard design, not just surfboard construction. There are various construction materials, methods and techniques and also business models for manufacturing and delivering surfboards to the end users.
Wingnut has chosen the method and extent of his involvement in the surfboard design and construction process, that is creating CAD designs that he then outsources for manufacture.
That is his legitimate choice and I believe an excellent one. He has COMPLETE control of the design process and can choose the manufacturer and technique as he wants.
There is an issue regarding intellectual property rights if he copies an existing design. It would be in order to request permission from the original designer, but as far as I can see imcorporation of other peoples ideas has been pretty much standard behaviour in the industry since its birth.
Go for it Wingnut
Absolutely. My only issues arose from the title of the thread, and in response to specific comments which I made it a point to spell out, I have no problem with discussing design, which I must have missed if it was brought up in this thread. Were there surfboard design features being discussed?
As far as "intellectual property", I don't think thats really even defensible in any legal sense, in regards to surfboard shapes, so I don't have an issue there either.
Like others, I simply gave my honest feedback from my heart, as requested.
You're right, Wingnuts design comments are on his wordpress site, not here. I agree that it would have been way better if Wingnut had posted these on Sways rather than providing a links to other sites so that his design ideas could be discussed on a forum expressly created for that.
But man, everyone else was just so scathing about his method of creating boards, where's the tolerance from the well-respected posters who are virtual icons on this site. You don't have to hand shape boards to appreciate good design. What are they going to say to all the pro surfers, "Your input and opinions are not valid because you don't hand shape surfboards".
finsOUT4theBOYS wrote: I dont think anyone said his input and opinion were invalid.
Infact no one said that.
People are simply saying that this is hardly "backyard board building"
Which it isn't.
Hey finsOUT4theBOYS, I don't think that is correct. Wingnuts opinion and input is obviously that using CAD software and outsourcing the build is an OK thing to do. The postings from the overwhelming majority were that this is not OK, and often, that he should learn to hand shape and glass.
He titled his post " ...the backyard boardmaking story", which seems a fair enough way to encapsulate what he was on about for the purpose of a title fo the post, he then clarified what exactly he was doing in the text.
finsOUT4theBOYS wrote: ... People are simply saying that this is hardly "backyard board building" Which it isn't.
Reading back over all this, and I am totally at a loss to understand this comment. How is it not "backyard board building'?
Yes, at the time, I had started to outsource glassing (due to skin rash issue), but up until then all were made in my garden shed ...
Made, as in, blank finished, painted, glassed, fins installed and sanded ... what, because I did not "shape" the blank from scratch it does not count as "making" the board.
Surfboard Design and Construction Kook
I really believe there is complete tolerance for anyone to discuss surfboard design here, regardless of their level of involvement in the actual building process. In any regular Swaylocks design discussion, how or if you build boards doesn't even need to come up.
The OP sent people to his blog, and asked them to comment, to give feedback, "good, bad and ugly. It's all part of the learning process." So most of us did exactly what he requested. And I didn't think anyone was "scathing", if I came across that way, I apologize. I am not attacking the use of the machine, or the validity of computerized design, or the validity of anyone's opinions on surfboard design.
I would never want to discourage anyone from feeling free to discuss surfboard design on this forum!
Huck, I said "everyone else" when I was replying to your post. Your comments were not what I was referring to, they were all balanced and fair comment.