spotted on internet - the proctor is over 3" thick and looks like it has a step-rail, the other, by description, is a high volume board along the lines of my Swan Song series, but with a little different design motivation.
eventually, if i get the energy, i may try to organize my thoughts a little better, and post up over on general discussion to see if i can generate a little more conversation on this thread subject.
My 2 cents...
All though a number of "name" shapers TRY to provide "big guy" boards.
And the folk that can't contemplate making a board.
Just buying a board from someone else, ah, well, all I say is, I have been skeptical a long time now.
Way back in 69 I asked an up and coming shaper to shape me,
well, I gave him the green light to go ahead and make what he thought was best for me.
Bear in mind the time...
The Reno Abellira interislands custom was what I wanted, Ah sans the "hyper kick".
What I got was a 16 1/2" wide rocket!
really was NOT stoked, all I could do was surf it
I gave it a go, although I placed better in contests at the time.
I never was in to it and eventually traded it for a homemade 8-6 Vee that had been cut down to 6-6.
That ugly POS became a favorite.
And that same board provoked me to make an outrageous mess of my Pop's garage.
I proceeded to make boards that had volume, with rails that were consistently the same all the way 'round.
Morey Popes "Camel" (which was an idea at the time hence the name) was behind that.
That experience has never left me, you know...
I know, Volume is no a sin.
Performance is the key....
The rails are where it is at IMHO.
I believe Brewer once said that a rail that is equal (all the way around) is optimum.
Carry on Sailor!
...but the main thing is just looking at volume a bit differently than the mainstream.
Its encouraging to me when I see others doing the same, in spite of a prevailing prejudice against these boards.
I know I'm not the first, and I took my inspiration from those that I saw going in this direction before I did. But I've had enough positive experiences from the boards I've made in this series to keep me committed to this agenda.
And the list of serious shapers doing stuff in this vein is pretty impressive, guys like stretch, joe blair, todd proctor, rusty preisendorf, tom mahady, chronic surfboards, lost surfboards, and
john matthews, ha!
BTW that camel board is crazy, wish I had a bigger screen than this little phone to view it on, but I think that qualifies as an S-deck!
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Did u ever pick your board up from Steve? Does he have the stubby now? I've been out of touch, dealing with all the family stuff since my mom passed.
Funny world...
I mean some how I just knew...
You would be right there.
1st So very sorry for Maw's passing...
She was one heck of a gal!!!
Hope your "Tub rash" is better...
Shit, I first thought, oh shit what now???
Yeah, "the Camel", they did have some ads in Surfer, with volume tank testing.
All about mass, yeah...
MP was local, in my day (Ventura, Front St).
Cooper was the craziest!!!
Cool guys, ALWAYS thinking, and oh yeah...
The S rail, oh my God!
Side note, Ryder and Blinky came outta that deal @MP...
I was underground, like I mentioned I had no problems with rails...
here's a shot of a early 70 "razorblade" it solved any transitions.
Once the "Brewer downrailer" started.
I quit and Greg Liddle shaped my boards, ah,
well to specifications. photo
"...but the main thing is just looking at volume a bit differently than the mainstream.
Its encouraging to me when I see others doing the same, in spite of a prevailing prejudice against these boards."
EZ for me!!!
The "mainstearm" and the thinking...
"prevailing prejudice against these boards".
I say bullshit !!!
Tell me I am wrong.
After all, you said
"The other day a guy paddled up to me and started complaining I was getting too many waves!"
Have faith !!!
The underground is just that...
Meaning?
Like you and a select others, the proof is simpley
in the perfomance!
And we both know and are working on this idea.
I'll say this,
in an effort to sew this up quick, yeah...
If I could get Kelly or JJ to ride my "Hulk"
I think I would be like Pysel, just tryin' to keep up with demand, yeah?
And we shoud all know what that means!
Exceptance by the main strearm is IMHO just more horseshit!
Yeah, they might be ugly.
And you ain't gonna scrore chicks.
Wave count
And performance is all that really matters.
Dustin picked up the 8-10 from SH, thanks
I have the Stubby here at the reservation.
Huck: "that camel board is crazy, wish I had a bigger screen than this little phone to view it on, but I think that qualifies as an S-deck!"
Yep, when I first laid eyes on that rocker profile part of Camel ad I had the exact same response: Holy cow! Check out the S-Deck on that thing!
Couple of things I find very interesting about that Camel ad:
1. As you all know, with the "more volume" fashion in surfboards over the last decade or so, "volume" measurements have been included in the list of the standard measurements recorded on surfboard stringers. But check out the "Volumetric Sizing" paragraph in the ad; Morey Pope was marking volume on his boards (and recommending boards to customers based on volume along with the standard length and width) way back in '69 (or whenever) that ad was from.
2. Matty's reaction to the 16 1/2" wide rocket he got stuck with and that line in the ad: "Camel can be a nice way of paying yourself back for all the grief you suffered with your last board". Sounds just like the "more volume" trend of the last decade or so, in reaction to the "potato chip" 90's. Were the "Camel" style boards a popular shape back then Matty? Or was it only a few people back then who decided a board that made sense was more important than something that everyone else was riding and which looked slick under their arm?
Also, did Brewer mention what his reason was (at the time) for saying "a rail that is equal (all the way around) is optimum"?
Thanks for putting that one up Matty. 'Like I said, very interesting :)
looking at the camel now on a bigger screen, amazing! MP was so far ahead of the pack, using volume as a metric way back then. The camel looks like a caricature of one of my favorite boards, the golden standard. All the same features, but everything exaggerated. It has a wide thin front, narrow but thicker tail, pinched rails, bit of belly, down rails in the very back with a pulled in pin or rounded pin, single fin. Wonder how it would compare in riding!
Hey Matty yeah I don't care what the "crowd" is doing so much, but only in the sense I like to see what everyone is doing. Its all interesting to me, and it does surprise me sometimes that so many surfers want to label themselves as "progressive" or "modern", you know, not like the "old guys that cannot surf radical" and have to ride "retro" boards. And they never figure out that they're impressing nobody but themselves, in the bigger picture none of that really matters, all we need to do is have a little fun during our short stay here, and if we can spread a little aloha too, so much the better.
the other thing a lot of people have a hard time understanding is that it often isn't a matter of surfing "radical" vs. surfing "retro", as you age it eventually becomes a matter or surfing at all, vs not surfing anymore. There are a lot of guys who were really radical in their day, but they don't surf anymore. That was cool at the time, but now, to me it seems more cool to keep surfing, and radical doesn't even figure into the equation, its radical for me just to paddle out on some days, with all the health issues I deal with at my age. Until you get here, you have no idea.
So I keep plugging away at this, having a bit of a setback right now with my mom's passing, and dealing with the house and all her stuff, keeping me from surfing much or shaping much. But eventually I'll get back in the groove, hopefully, and see how far my swan song boards will take me!
BTW that was my daughter with the rash, we thought it might be chicken pox, which was scary because then she couldn't have flown home. No public transportation if you have chicken pox. But thankfully it was OK, still made for a stressful visit tho!
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here's a video link showing what I consider the best way to ride a midlength. Not trying to rip and hack, more trim and flow, walking the board a little but not a lot, mainly its about enjoying the wave without having to shred the wave. Like I say, just my opinion...
Thanks for putting that one up Huck. It was a pleasure to watch.
Fun looking board - wonder if it's possible to nose ride it? He got fairly close to it once or twice in there, and a couple of cheater 5's as well.
You know, it's possible to ride HPSB's the same way too, and I almost never see anyone doing that out in the water. You know who I have seen doing that though? Gerry Lopez. Sure, he was one of the guys who pioneered HPSB's, and sure in the footage I've seen of him over the years, he's on an HPSB and he rips some decent turns, but most of the time, it's trim and flow. Guess it's for a couple of reasons; from what I gather the traditional Hawaiian style is all about that, and secondly, he grew up riding longboards. And I can't help but wonder if that solid grounding in trim and flow contributed a lot to him being such a good tube rider, and such a master at Pipe?
Regardless, that theory sounds like a great way to justify to your wife why you should go out and get yourself a midlength to add to your quiver if you don't already have one: "But honey, I NEED one of these so I can learn how to tube-ride!".
:) Cheers all.
maybe moreso in waves with a bit of juice, but around these parts I think its pretty safe to say shortboards you pump for speed, long and midlength for trim and cruise.
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