Ahhhh......commercialism. Bullshit baffles brains.
T.E, why would Paul Cole send a Fat Penguin to a Fin Mfg and Researcher who makes fins for standard boards?? Whats to be gained, and why would they bother putting your F.P. board without FCS fins into the expensive $$tank time and look over the number$$ ?? I know its called promotion, but neither is Goodyear,B.F.Goodrich and the like interested in New Car Technology they just want to make tires for whoever is mfg./driving autos.
Hi there, The statement about commercialisims is about as MacDonald as you can Kentucky Fried get ! We approached the Australian based owned, American designed fin system company, the Head designer American naval architect Andy Dovell, about purely just using our board as a maniquine not a word said, just sitting there with FCS fins in it. You suggest that I just pay for my own add campaign and build a thousand boards ready to sell...? No Im over the "Im a surfboard shaper/manufacturer/distibutor" Id rather just beat my drum and wait for the Big Kids and they are sniffing dont worry.....they are disgruntled that we posted the info to build your own FP, too bad this concept will not be monopololised and we have seen to it by making information open to you all. Infact the instant we show viability I know two companies ready to "enterprise" into the unknown with the whole approach to enhance and evolve surfboards to their most functional level in areas of effects on the enviroment, durability and performance. Somethings got to give, and we have the record for the long haul. Show you, prove it to you is not my goal Im just the messenger the rest you guys will do. If I make money, its because you freely gave it to me....... http://www.geocities.com/wunderboyi/ninetysixpercent.html
And that, you see, is why the surf biz is quite happy to stumble along with fads, hype and fashion instead of solid engineering and real facts. If there's no real tests, no real numbers, anybody can _claim_ their (insert waterfowl here) or ( insert name of pickle-stabbing utensil here)will do anything, outperform everything, and there are going to be those that'll believe it.
Dont belive me, belive the guys that are building their own FP and testing them, Im helping out two guys right now, they are genuine and respected credible shapers in their regions.....As I said you will prove it... not me. http://www.geocities.com/wunderboyi/ninetysixpercent.html
anyone put any credibility into this T. Emmerton character (his previos incarnation). Last Summer, he had the posting style of a 11year old internet trickster with a thread bare personal website and promoting himself as the designer of the Fat Penguin, and wouldnt even mention Paul Cole. Now his website is considerable better, sounds somewhat adult like, but I still think he's laying it on with a trowel. What do you guys think.
Science and poetry have much in common. Done well both require a close observation of nature. Doc and Ambrose were in process of developing a fugue in the thread below using very different but melodic language. Unfortunately,it is about to run off the page. Patrick
Tank testing... My background is engineering. I've been around lots of radical equipment and have worked on gnarly supercomputers which can model (literally) every molecule in any theoretical flow regime. I've seen the guy's Masters thesis in West Oz. No one has dealt with the curvilinear accelerated medium that is unique to a wave. To date there is no tank that mimics the acceleration up the face of a real wave as the energy pulse interacts with the seafloor and compresses the wave upward while simultaneously decelerating the bottom portion of the wave. Meanwhile the water column rises (accelerates) upward and also starts to surpass the rest of the wave. The top of the wave throws toward shore and is getting stretched apart and it thins, which is another kind of acceleration. These accelerations are also compounding (ie. the accelerations are accelerating; also known as 'third derivative jerk' (Jerk is the real term for this). Anyway, the stuff gets so complex yet the act of surfing is so simple. With access to all this theoretical information, what I did a few years ago was to set out and test some boards. In one year I made 62 boards for myself. I tested them empirically; that is, go out, try one for a couple of days, make another. What I have learned is invaluable toward understanding what aspects in a board are associated with certain "feel" results when riding. Feel is subjective so what I like might not work for the next guy. So basically, I got wiser, mostly fine tuned what I already had, and to this day I still test a crazy board every now and then. The bottom line is that nothing huge was discovered, I just refined; that's testing. NOW, with that said, the hugest developments will typically come from the geniuses like the ones hitting this site; maybe randomly saying "what if?" and making the thing. You can't be afraid, you might get harrassed. A radical departure from status quo will get the biggest gains (and big failures). The best test tank will be in the shapers' mind as the imagination interacts with an idea/concept. Someday, someone will finally render the high performance tri-fin shortboard obsolete; and it will most likely come from someone's garage...
thats is the best response to all these tales and talks! your knowledge on the subject must be frustrating at times. as i progress i find the more i learn the more i dont know and the more i want to know! i did similar to you when i started shaping too! i made around 30+ boards for myself in the first year trying all kinds of things both radically different and subtle. hats of to the home designer and the radical thinkers who try to create difference or (excuse my selfless plug)DIVERSITY! p.s. the fp guy good on ya, however maybe the guys here would prefer if you plugged away at the retail market and let them designers here create their own crazy dreams http://www.feraldave.com/sprays.htm
Wow, Ok, I have shaped some boards, I am now riding a fairly flat 7' 10" sort of mini long board tri fin that I love. It has a little V in the tail and a little belly in the nose, fairly soft rails from the nose to about 3/4 to the tail, then I tucked 'em a little. I just wanted to know easy stuff like how does concave of a particular depth and shape REALLY affect a planing surfboard. And is concave more or less important than nose/tail kick. Telling me that there is no way to test simple stuff like this because there are too many ethereal variables so the only valid test is experience man...is just a cop out. And sounds a lot like my favorite line from the movie The Wizard of Oz..."Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" Yes there is test data, or no there is not is all I was looking for. I don't discount years of experience and trial and error, I also don't want to go along with the herd just because I read it on Swaylocks. And by the way, Swaylock's Rocks, thanks for the forum! Thanks, Mike Freshwater California BTW what ever happened to the single fin Mcoy shapes Shane was riding in the 80's?