These shots have got to make the pros cringe...
They made me cringe, and I'm just about as far from a pro as you can get and still call yourself a (backyard) shaper.
Don't let the bastards grind you down.
I miss spoke though; Burch has got as much time and effort in it as Tyler. Out of that group I guess you could say they are the most experienced. Flores seems to be scrutinizing every shape with that Phillips trained eye.
Yes, the glassers. I didn't think through the next logical step. But, maybe the board mill tech will get cheaper and cheaper and affordable. Surfboards will be as soulful as buying a pair of Nike's .Mike
First off, they are all great surfers who could probably ride anything. I enjoyed the video.
I'm a hobbiest. I did work many years ago for a boat builder who was also a professional surfboard shaper (Dennis Choate- used to shape the Phil Edwards model for Hobie and built a boat for Edwards). I did a lot of keel plug and rudder shaping while working there. I also shaped a few boards and was slowly becoming proficient with his skil 100's. I remember him bursting into the shaping once, yelling, "No short strokes!" He showed me how to make continuous cuts from tip to tail, feathering the depth of cut with the skil. Because of this experience I always cringe when I see shapers scrubbing with little strokes in a small area. These guys were doing that a lot.
Still looks like their boards worked unde their feet.
When they get to the point that a Shortboard cost as much as an expensive pair of Nike; Then we will be getting somewhere.
Absolutely! First thing I noticed. Scrubbers! I have watched quite a few young guys and gals do the same thing at the Del Mar Board Show. Right away you know that they either learned on their own, watched all the WRONG YouTube videos or just had a BAD teacher. In fact I just this AM delivered a couple of blanks to a garage that had two guys both shaping the same blank. One on one end with a Skil and one on the other end with a little Green Machine Hitachi. When I say the same Blank I do not mean the same type of blank(ie two identical 6’4 A’s on two different shaping stands). No! I mean what I said; The Same blank. I would have set them straight, but just was in too big a hurry to get somewhere. It put a smile on my face or a look of amusement might be a better expression. PS. You got your education in shaping and boat building from a good instructor. Have always heard that Choate was very good at both.
That's one of the funniest word pictures I've seen in quite a while.
Aaaaaargh! Where are their masks? Interesting clip, but I cringed every time I saw someone operating a planer or even just a surform with no dust protection.
Young men think they're bullet proof - I know, I was one once - but foam and dust are no joke. What we do today comes back to haunt us twenty years down the track.
Get a mask on, for the love of everything sacred!
That short-stroke scrubbing is rampant with Hitachi users since they ride the planer off the shoe and not the rear base. If you try and do long strokes off the shoe you get wavy and rolling depth cuts. There's a reason they do this however. Because the Hitachi shoe moves up/down, the opening for the cutters (space between the rear base and shoe) is a fixed width. On the Skil and any planer with a sliding shoe this opening is variable width. If the opening isn't wide enough, the planer will not start easily into a cut unless you tip it forward and increase the depth excessively and this is what happens with the Hitachi. A Skil can be simply pushed into a cut and this is why it produces such flat and finely tapered cuts; granted the weight plays a role in this also. I learned this first hand when I had worked on that Bosch conversion years ago. After a lot of prototypes and testing with Barry Snyder, I was able to increase the opening width to a sweet spot where it would cut when pushed forward off the base. However the cuts were still not the way I wanted. My conclusion is that without some type of sliding shoe, no planer will work like a Skil does. Therefore it's not the same technique in my opinion.
Traditional shaping techniques (and the order of the whole process) were developed using a Skil and are based on predictable results in the shortest possible time; that is what production hand-shaping was all about. Some can produce the same end result with a Hitachi, Bosch, hand plane, surform, sanding block, draw knife, whatever but it will be a different technique and certainly will not be as efficient. By that I mean that you can't watch a video of Terry Martin shaping and aspire to do it the same way with the other tools I mentioned.