Gui; Your boards look great, and I appreciate your comitment to the design. I have been doing fish & fish style boards (thanks, reverb) since they were designed as kneeboards. You have forgotten the most important part of shaping a fish, or any board for that matter, and that is, where and what kind of wave is being surfed. If you are an avid surfer/shaper as I am, (even in my later years it's more the latter than the former), watching the pros at your home break or one close to it brings lots of important clues to making a great board (in this case fish). All the rocker numbers in the world won't do if they don't fit the wave. Lis fish were designed to be knee boards in Big Rock & Blacks surf. The theory was: take a pin-tail stand up gun, and make it for a knee guy. Two tails, for down the line & cut back. Wide point under the knees to support the weight. Short length like a paipo, and fins to kick into the wave. This is all history out there for anyone to find, but I was around when it went down, so it has a kind of specific meaning to the way I shape fish. My fish are for Cali waves. Big, or hollow, waves we have here. Not HI, not AUS, not Eur.: Cali. Keep what you're doing for you know what works where you are at. The great shapers in the past could take what they knew back home and adapt it for boards that worked in other spots. Many of them made boards that just didn't work outside of home. Been there. Anyway, keep shaping, it's an interesting job and not one that pays a lot, but can be rewarding, just my 2c......
PS: I only do speed-dialer quads now! LOL
Hi there Surfteach,
Wow, amazing to hear such experienced words, thanks for sharing it, and yes, i couldnt agree more. When i bought that cris cristenson fish, it was obviously designed for cali waves, they worked nicely while i was there but as soon as i tried to use them back here in Brazil, they would just not work, back then i was 18 years and i didnt have much knowledge about dimensions, rocker and so on... but as 10 years passed by i started to really pay attention to it, and for this last year i came up with these fish designs, and whats seemed to work reeeeally fine here its to add more tail rocker to it, but i still keep the low nose rocker. The result ended up working for tons of different conditions on our beach breaks, and knowadays i only use thrusters when the waves are super fast and hollow, otherwise, screw it, going with the fish all the way!
BTW im also in love with speed-dialer quads, im going to NY next month, im thinking of buying a new set of quads, i was in between these two...any thoughts?
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Gui; Never been to crazy to use Futures for quads, especially speed-dialers. I like to use systems that are somewhat adjustable in moving the fins forward or backward. I use Lokbox here in California as the fins are easy to get, and if a customer likes FCS, I will grind off a little bit of the tab so the fins can be moved for the best position for that particular surfer. You would be suprized how much of a difference an 1/8" between fins makes. Anyway, here's a picture of the type of fins I like. If you only use Future boxes, then I would go with the second set if your customer wants more of a keel fin feel.
Surfteach, have you tried Robin Mair Probox fin system. Pro box allows a 1/4” movement. They work with any two tab fins he also has his own line of fins.
According to Mikki Dora Malibu went to the Dogs in 1964. The Chumash Indians will tell you it was 1664.
Surfteach just now that i have remembered that my old cristenson quad had lokbox on them! I really liked the fact that i could move them, it was so nice because it did make a big difference, but unfortunately the rear fins were waaay to small, and im still facing the same problem from back in the day, i just cant find their plugs and fins here in brazil... thats a shame because they are absolutely great. I really dont mind about the surf plugs, i leave it to the client, but i was prefering to use futures for keel fins because i thought they were better attached to the board, compared to 3 fcs x2 plugs for example, until i was surfing on a good overhead and made a strong bottom turn and the futures box just snapped...until today i dont know if it was just the pressure, the lamination quality ( since i didnt like the factory i used at the time ) or if i hitted a turtle LOL, but since them i shape my own wood keel fins and advise the clients to choose them.
...hello man, hope you are not an stubborn like McDing here, but do it a big favor and put whatever quad fin you can find, instead of a keel fin. You do not really need those 9 3/4 inches in parallel.
I agree with Reverb. Oh and by the way if you use the controller quads from futures do yourself a favor and just use the front pair. Throw the rears in a box and use a similar size with some rake. You will be glad you did. And keel fish are fine for looks but it’s like rear wheel steering on a f1 race car... hard to justify from a performance angle.
Ps friction and rocker......mixed concepts. Try...oh...Gloss finish vs sanded. Laminar vs turbulent flow. That’s almost a friction question.
Nice boards, Guivilas, except the incut fish makes me go cross-eyed. I like the keels. I've done single foiled, double foiled, Pavel quads, Geppie quads, curved keels. It's all fun. The keels give me lots of drive for the pump and trim, pump and trim kind of surfing I like. I'm as old as Keith, but better looking. Mike
I like the looks of a nicely shaped Fish as much as anyone. They are a design that is relevant and I have shaped a few. Just not my first choice in a surfboard. Preference not stubbornness. Like surfteach I was around to see Steve Lis actually surf one. I surfed the Cliffs frequently and had seen him there. Everybody was talking about his kneedoards and his surfing. Were I to shape and ride a Fish, it would definitely have more than two fins on it. Always interesting to hear comments on this newly discovered design.
Retro fish work good here in Hawaii. I don't have one, but I do have a modern version with multiple fins.
There's a guy that comes to the spot I surf when it's really good and he rips on a keel fish. I hadn't seen him for 3 or 4 years, but he came back the other day when we had a solid swell. He still rides a keel fish and rips. I've been out with him when it's been close to double overhead and he rides just like this clip from Monday. His board was shaped by Pat Rawson, a 5-10. This guy's name is Alex Cox and he lives on the north shore. It was so nice to see him again. We've been lucky to be out on a few epic days with just a handful of guys. We were out on this day (photo below) when Devin Howard showed up. This was one of the best days of surf at Tennis Courts that I've seen.