It was a mistake to post on here at all. I am not batting an idea around; I have a well developed patented innovation that has had a first run funded through the crowd-funding model. I thought that I should share it on Swaybacks, since I thought that this was where such things are met by interested and interesting people, but that was my first mistake. My second mistake was putting it on the wrong page. I won't make a third mistake. I do, however, appreciate your efforts at retaining my participation; I have, on occasion, enjoyed the odd concept presented here. It's not the negative commentary that I received that has me turned off to this forum, but the fact that I have heard it all before, and here is what I have learned.
People are either curious or they are not. People who are not curious will shoot down anything and everything because it doesn't conform to their preconceptions. I will never convince such people and they will never actually try the thing that challenges their intellect. Curious people, on the other hand ask questions rather than making sweeping judgements about what they as yet do not understand. Curious people ask questions because they WANT to know. Curious people will try the thing that has peeked their curiosity because they know that what they don't yet know is still worth knowing. Interesting people are curious. I have not seen such a response here to any of my past posts (I've gone back and deleted them), to lead me to believe that curious or interesting people congregate here sufficiently for me to stick around. So, its not that I'm butt-hurt by the response I've gotten here; it's that I am bored by the lameness of the responses.
At the risk of antagonizing you I'd like to point out that you only got 3 comments which commented at all on the general idea, which you didn't really explain in detail in your post, nor respond directly to their comments and questions. The traffic here isn't so heavy that 2-3 days of exposure will reach as many members as will a week or two.
The other point of interest which you may or may not realize is that a rotating fin assembly isn't a new idea here by any means. I can think of at least a couple other people from years ago who were using a rotating fin assembly for either a singlefin or a center in a thruster combo. As I recall, one member here was actually selling fin boxes for it. So that prior exposure may be playing a part in how people are reacting to this newer iteration. Or not. It's hard to say.
If you want to drop an explanation in here and engage in some back-n-forth discussion I'd imagine you'll get some action. We have members here who have not been around long enough to have seen or considered the prior iterations, so I think you'll probably find an audience here. On the other hand, if you're not interested in a discussion then that's okay too.
The one thing I think can predict with some confidence is that you probably won't be winning a whole lot of converts to your ideas by assuming everyone here is lame. People can be funny that way.
I am aware that the rotating fin assembly is not new here; I have done my research. The prior art, if you will, has always been passive to water flow articulating fins, and as many of you know, such a system fails when there is turbulence in the water. Passive, furthermore. means that the fin is driving you, not the other way round.
You are right that I should've posted with details rather than referring people to the Kickstarter. I am very busy these days and posted on here as an afterthought.
I seem to be getting misunderstood time and time again. I generally dislike these forums because it is so easy to be misunderstood. Which is why I asked to have this post deleted, which alone seems to be earning me some heat. No worries, I can say with confidence that these comments would not continue if my post were just deleted. That was my wish, and it seems that it is not an option; so, YES, I will engage, if there is no option to simply delete. I am not in the habit of walking away from a good intellectual scrum. If y'all are going to keep making your assumptions about me and my innovative surfboards and fin system, I will keep responding.
I am not actually trying to convert anyone to accept my ideas; my surfboards will convert those willing to try something new. Or they won't, but as long as people are willing to try, enough people will see/feel the difference that simply driving the center fin has on their surfing speed and power, that the market will validate my design.
lots of Ideas passthrough this site; ultimately the market decides what is viable, and what is not. The resilience and persistence of the creator is not an option, if success is the goal
As to saying that the users of this site are "lame", I did not mean to imply that everyone is lame, just the one who commented that we don't need a new fin system, or something to that effect. And the one that said the concept is counterintuitive and would cause bad surfing habits. those comments were truly lame.
I don't generally respond to hostile posts like yours. I'm making an exception. You made no effort to discuss anything. Your immediate responses were defensive and combative.
There are a lot of gifted and skilled members here. Your response is more than a little insular and elitist.
You sound like an entrepreuner who is so in love with his own idea that he can't accept that rational people won't like it. Discussion allows inventors and entrepreneurs to identify problems and adapt.
I recently patented surfcraft tech of my own. The individual who shaped and glassed the prototype for me wanted to post the build here on Sways. I agreed. And while I was certain there would be criticism and doubt, I knew I could glean a few pearls of insight from interactive dialogue with other members.
While I'm confident my ideas will work, I certainly did not expect to receive accolades, affirmation and community adulation.
I truly hope you succeed. But if this is how you react to negative and lukewarm input, you've got a long uphill road ahead of you.
Basically, you wanted instant status in the lineup with no significant interaction with established members...
To delete my post would have, as I'm sure you can imagine, ended the discussion; which was my preferred response to what has been a terrible discussion precipitated by my mistakenly posting on the wrong page. Thoughtful and patient advice not withstanding, I prefer to leave this line-up to perhaps paddle back out another day with a better vibe.
I have enjoyed your commentaries, and did not mean to offend. And even still, I don't apologize for busting down doors when necessary. Innovation is not for the meek.
This reply was meant for #15, don't know why it ended up here. That said, I have enjoyed reading and on occasion responding to posts on Swaybacks, and I said that several times. I am well aware that there are gifted and skilled members. I have had a great deal of experience with very rational people who don't like my concept. But it isn't a concept, it is a design that is entering the market, and whether anyone likes it or not, should really be driven by reality, not theory. The reality is that if you try it, you just might like it. But then again, generally those with closed minds are loathe to open their minds up to something new that challenges their preconceptions. As I've said, I won't convert these people, so why try.
I love seeing people challenging norms and expectations with new ideas. I also hope that your innovation sees the light of open minds.
Finally, I don't want instant status in any line-up. I wait my turn and when my wave comes, I go. I observe the locals and find a spot in the line-up where I can get mine. And if it's not working, I just leave to try another day. That is what I've tried to do here. It wasn't working, so I thought it better to just bow out. I am still happy to do so. At my local spots, I take turns with the other locals, and give and take waves as appropriate.
My main mistake here was posting on the general discussions page, and I have apologized for that enough, I'm sure.
At the risk of antagonizing you I'd like to point out that you only got 3 comments which commented at all on the general idea, which you didn't really explain in detail in your post, nor respond directly to their comments and questions. The traffic here isn't so heavy that 2-3 days of exposure will reach as many members as will a week or two.
The other point of interest which you may or may not realize is that a rotating fin assembly isn't a new idea here by any means. I can think of at least a couple other people from years ago who were using a rotating fin assembly for either a singlefin or a center in a thruster combo. As I recall, one member here was actually selling fin boxes for it. So that prior exposure may be playing a part in how people are reacting to this newer iteration. Or not. It's hard to say.
If you want to drop an explanation in here and engage in some back-n-forth discussion I'd imagine you'll get some action. We have members here who have not been around long enough to have seen or considered the prior iterations, so I think you'll probably find an audience here. On the other hand, if you're not interested in a discussion then that's okay too.
The one thing I think can predict with some confidence is that you probably won't be winning a whole lot of converts to your ideas by assuming everyone here is lame. People can be funny that way.
Tuna,
I don't generally respond to hostile posts like yours. I'm making an exception. You made no effort to discuss anything. Your immediate responses were defensive and combative.
There are a lot of gifted and skilled members here. Your response is more than a little insular and elitist.
You sound like an entrepreuner who is so in love with his own idea that he can't accept that rational people won't like it. Discussion allows inventors and entrepreneurs to identify problems and adapt.
I recently patented surfcraft tech of my own. The individual who shaped and glassed the prototype for me wanted to post the build here on Sways. I agreed. And while I was certain there would be criticism and doubt, I knew I could glean a few pearls of insight from interactive dialogue with other members.
While I'm confident my ideas will work, I certainly did not expect to receive accolades, affirmation and community adulation.
I truly hope you succeed. But if this is how you react to negative and lukewarm input, you've got a long uphill road ahead of you.
Basically, you wanted instant status in the lineup with no significant interaction with established members...
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Well said. Points given.
Gdaddy, Sroneburner, you've given very thoughtful and patient advice. Several times.
But I had to laugh over him saying "delete my account". Much easier to just not come back if that is his wish.
all the best
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
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