Fin DRIVE System

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016

Hi, I have launched my surfboard label (Dilling SurfCraft) on Kickstarter a few weeks ago. Yes, I know, I should've posted at the launch, but I have a day job and am rather busy with life, so I am posting this now. There are like 5 days left, and I have nearly reached the funding goal. check it out and let me know what y'all think. No worries, it's only ten years of R&D that I've dedicated to this project! Hahahahaha. Oh yeah, the thing that sets these boards apart is the patented fin system, TunaFlex. There's a video, lots of photos and a concise explanation of the design. http://kck.st/3akqK9x

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lemat's picture
Joined: 04/17/2010

What is the purpose of your post? You want to know our opinion?

Well I don't think we need something like that... May be I am wrong... Most boards I do now are twin, quads or twinzers, most problems I have is to make them turning less... 

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016

So, clearly I posted this in the wrong section, I’m terribly sorry. I’m not looking for your validation here. If you don’t understand that a single fin with the ability to have its angle of attack driven by the surfer in the normal conduct of surfing, simply by harnessing the physics, gives the surfer a better experience in trim (not turning) and allows for sharp and fast turning when the power input demands it, then why are you on a site that is presumable dedicated to advancements in surfboard design? I have tried to quit this site entirely, but that seems impossible, so I am wasting my time explaining myself to people who have no imagination or curiosity. My bad. Carry on.

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sirwanksalot's picture
Joined: 01/02/2005

That fin looks like it would be counterintuitive. It would create very bad surfing habits in my not so humble opinion. Good luck with your venture and don't forget to eat Spam musubi every morning. 

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016

Again, clearly I posted on the wrong section, terribly sorry to have offended y’all. My fin system works in the normal conduct of surfing, I’m not sure what bad habits you are referring to, but when people in a forum seemingly dedicated to the advancement of surfboard design can’t wrap their minds around basic physics, then I am out. Or at least I’ve tried to quit this site entirely, though that seems impossible. I’m out. Carry on.

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unclegrumpy's picture
Joined: 09/16/2006

Wrong Section

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No; It's not an ironing board.

TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016

Good stuff! You can’t teach curiosity.

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stoneburner's picture
Joined: 12/30/2007

TunaFin wrote:

It doesn't give me an edit option; just remove it for me. over and out.

The "Edit feature" for an OP's first post is in the upper left hand corner of the page -- below the big blue page Banner.  See large red arrow below.

Anything posted that involves money solicitation or product promotion, regardless of intent, will be viewed as Spam by most Sways members. 

With a little tweaking, you have a legitimate "concept to discuss."  You could easily copy/paste relevant text from your Kickstarter page.  From that perspective;

"Swaylocks Surfboard Design Forum: thoughts & theories ... practical & theoretical."

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016

Well, I’ve tried to delete the post, and after seeing the lame comments that your lame readers have pulled out of their lame ass heads, I really just want to delete my account entirely. I assume that is possible. Please delete my account. This site is lame.

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016

I’ve asked several time to be deleted from this forum and from the site entirely. Please delete my account.

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gdaddy's picture
Joined: 10/31/2008

I'm going to try this explanation one more time.   

I'm the moderator who brought it to your attention that posts which can be construed (by our users) as marketing or advertising for profit or gain belong in this section (surfshop), not the General Discussion forum, and that I didn't want you to get scorched by the others for it.   So that's all on me.  I'm the responsible party for that, not anyone else.  Note that I tried to frame the issue within the context of what others percieve, not as an accusation as to your intent.    I also explained to you that we have previously moved other threads for the same reason.   If you have interpreted that explanation as me being hostile to what you're trying to do then all I can say is that wasn't my intent and I'm sorry if you think otherwise.   

You have not been singled out for criticism here or treated differently than others before you.  FYI, we normally just delete the users who post outright spam here but your post was actually surf-related so I attempted this other approach.    .  

I tried to explain that we're interested in your ideas, just as we're interested in anyone else's ideas and input; and that if you wanted to engage in discussion about it then that's what the General Discussion forum is about.  Nobody is trying to run you out of here or otherwise discourage your participation.  I even retained your original post with your original links and comments because I DIDN'T want you to get mad and quit.  That's why I moved the thread to the more appropriate forum and deleted my own comments in the thread.   

You have some design ideas going here, and as with any design some participants here will have more interest in discussing it than others.  You shouldn't take any naysayers personally, that's just what's typical in such discussions.   The veteran posters here routinely disagree with each other and they don't tend to take the sensitive, caring and nurturing approach when they do it.   

I would like to personally invite you to stay and participate however you see fit, except that we're still not going to allow posts which can be construed as marketing in the General Discussion forum.    That's about the best I can do for you.   

If you're still upset that your ideas didn't receive the enthusiastic embrace and you want to depart that's on you.   All you have to do is stop posting and stop logging in.  Then whatever discussion occurs here will bother you no more.  In either case we wish you well in your business development, your design development, your board building and your surfing.    .    

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016
It was a mistake to post on here at all. I am not batting an idea around; I have a well developed patented innovation that has had a first run funded through the crowd-funding model. I thought that I should share it on Swaybacks, since I thought that this was where such things are met by interested and interesting people, but that was my first mistake. My second mistake was putting it on the wrong page. I won't make a third mistake. I do, however, appreciate your efforts at retaining my participation; I have, on occasion, enjoyed the odd concept presented here. It's not the negative commentary that I received that has me turned off to this forum, but the fact that I have heard it all before, and here is what I have learned. People are either curious or they are not. People who are not curious will shoot down anything and everything because it doesn't conform to their preconceptions. I will never convince such people and they will never actually try the thing that challenges their intellect. Curious people, on the other hand ask questions rather than making sweeping judgements about what they as yet do not understand. Curious people ask questions because they WANT to know. Curious people will try the thing that has peeked their curiosity because they know that what they don't yet know is still worth knowing. Interesting people are curious. I have not seen such a response here to any of my past posts (I've gone back and deleted them), to lead me to believe that curious or interesting people congregate here sufficiently for me to stick around. So, its not that I'm butt-hurt by the response I've gotten here; it's that I am bored by the lameness of the responses.
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gdaddy's picture
Joined: 10/31/2008

At the risk of antagonizing you I'd like to point out that you only got 3 comments which commented at all on the general idea, which you didn't really explain in detail in your post, nor respond directly to their comments and questions.   The traffic here isn't so heavy that 2-3 days of exposure will reach as many members as will a week or two.   

The other point of interest which you may or may not realize is that a rotating fin assembly isn't a new idea here by any means.   I can think of at least a couple other people from years ago who were using a rotating fin assembly for either a singlefin or a center in a thruster combo.   As I recall, one member here was actually selling fin boxes for it.  So that prior exposure may be playing a part in how people are reacting to this newer iteration.  Or not.  It's hard to say.   

If you want to drop an explanation in here and engage in some back-n-forth discussion I'd imagine you'll get some action. We have members here who have not been around long enough to have seen or considered the prior iterations, so I think you'll probably find an audience here.    On the other hand, if you're not interested in a discussion then that's okay too.   

The one thing I think can predict with some confidence is that you probably won't be winning a whole lot of converts to your ideas by assuming everyone here is lame.   People can be funny that way.   

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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016
I am aware that the rotating fin assembly is not new here; I have done my research. The prior art, if you will, has always been passive to water flow articulating fins, and as many of you know, such a system fails when there is turbulence in the water. Passive, furthermore. means that the fin is driving you, not the other way round. You are right that I should've posted with details rather than referring people to the Kickstarter. I am very busy these days and posted on here as an afterthought. I seem to be getting misunderstood time and time again. I generally dislike these forums because it is so easy to be misunderstood. Which is why I asked to have this post deleted, which alone seems to be earning me some heat. No worries, I can say with confidence that these comments would not continue if my post were just deleted. That was my wish, and it seems that it is not an option; so, YES, I will engage, if there is no option to simply delete. I am not in the habit of walking away from a good intellectual scrum. If y'all are going to keep making your assumptions about me and my innovative surfboards and fin system, I will keep responding. I am not actually trying to convert anyone to accept my ideas; my surfboards will convert those willing to try something new. Or they won't, but as long as people are willing to try, enough people will see/feel the difference that simply driving the center fin has on their surfing speed and power, that the market will validate my design. lots of Ideas passthrough this site; ultimately the market decides what is viable, and what is not. The resilience and persistence of the creator is not an option, if success is the goal As to saying that the users of this site are "lame", I did not mean to imply that everyone is lame, just the one who commented that we don't need a new fin system, or something to that effect. And the one that said the concept is counterintuitive and would cause bad surfing habits. those comments were truly lame.
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stoneburner's picture
Joined: 12/30/2007

Tuna,

I don't generally respond to hostile posts like yours.  I'm making an exception.  You made no effort to discuss anything.  Your immediate responses were defensive and combative.

There are a lot of gifted and skilled members here.  Your response is more than a little insular and elitist.

You sound like an entrepreuner who is so in love with his own idea that he can't accept that rational people won't like it.  Discussion allows inventors and entrepreneurs to identify problems and adapt.

I recently patented surfcraft tech of my own.  The individual who shaped and glassed the prototype for me wanted to post the build here on Sways.  I agreed.  And while I was certain there would be criticism and doubt, I knew I could glean a few pearls of insight from interactive dialogue with other members.

While I'm confident my ideas will work, I certainly did not expect to receive accolades, affirmation and community adulation.

I truly hope you succeed.  But if this is how you react to negative and lukewarm input, you've got a long uphill road ahead of you.

Basically, you wanted instant status in the lineup with no significant interaction with established members...

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Swaylocks Surfboard Design Forum: thoughts & theories ... practical & theoretical

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thrailkill's picture
Joined: 05/07/2004

Well said.      Points given.

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GregTate's picture
Joined: 03/18/2004

Gdaddy, Sroneburner,  you've given very thoughtful and patient advice. Several times. 
 

But I had to laugh over him saying "delete my account".  Much easier to just not come back if that is his wish. 
 

all the best

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Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill

TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016
To delete my post would have, as I'm sure you can imagine, ended the discussion; which was my preferred response to what has been a terrible discussion precipitated by my mistakenly posting on the wrong page. Thoughtful and patient advice not withstanding, I prefer to leave this line-up to perhaps paddle back out another day with a better vibe.
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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016
I have enjoyed your commentaries, and did not mean to offend. And even still, I don't apologize for busting down doors when necessary. Innovation is not for the meek.
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TunaFin's picture
Joined: 11/18/2016
This reply was meant for #15, don't know why it ended up here. That said, I have enjoyed reading and on occasion responding to posts on Swaybacks, and I said that several times. I am well aware that there are gifted and skilled members. I have had a great deal of experience with very rational people who don't like my concept. But it isn't a concept, it is a design that is entering the market, and whether anyone likes it or not, should really be driven by reality, not theory. The reality is that if you try it, you just might like it. But then again, generally those with closed minds are loathe to open their minds up to something new that challenges their preconceptions. As I've said, I won't convert these people, so why try. I love seeing people challenging norms and expectations with new ideas. I also hope that your innovation sees the light of open minds. Finally, I don't want instant status in any line-up. I wait my turn and when my wave comes, I go. I observe the locals and find a spot in the line-up where I can get mine. And if it's not working, I just leave to try another day. That is what I've tried to do here. It wasn't working, so I thought it better to just bow out. I am still happy to do so. At my local spots, I take turns with the other locals, and give and take waves as appropriate. My main mistake here was posting on the general discussions page, and I have apologized for that enough, I'm sure.
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