Posted a super nice Skil in the surfshop.
I know that is a really nice planer. And I know Pete's ability to put these machines back in original working condition. I noticed that you had it up for sale and I can't believe that any young shaper who wants to carry on the hand shape tradition would not have bought this planer already. I think what we are seeing is the abandoning of the hand shape craft in favor of Costco pop outs and CNC computer cut outs. Remember paper dolls?? Well what we have these days is a bunch of sissy's who won't pick up a pair of scissors. Let alone a few Crayons.
That which can be assorted without evidence was read in an illegal magazine.
Anybody who knows Pete's work knows that this tool will last another 70+ years and has been adjusted to shape. I kept the base length original as I do use the long base on a lot of my longboards but could be cut down (676 and 190's are the best if you can find them)
I really don't want to part with it, but I have too many other Skils for how many boards I do these days. Funny, it takes me longer to drive to and pick up a CNC'd shaped blank than to just handshape it. I do understand production shaping using the CNC is the way to go, but I'm more interested in walking the blank with a planer and seeing the shape as come to life. Two of my best Los Molinos Getto friend's Skil's are kept for mainly taking down the nose or making the one off stuff.
Anyway...that's how it is, but not for me
That seems like a pretty unfair assumption. I can't speak for every "young" shaper, but I got into the hobby because I didn't want to regularly spend $750 on boards that only lasted a season. I wanted to have a board that was exactly what I wanted, fit the conditions I surf, had some durability and didn't break the bank.
While that is an absolutely gorgeous planer, and pretty much anyone who shapes boards would love to have it in their collection, it is way out of the budget of most people that are young into the shaping world.
Sorry for double post.
Reply was meant for Mcding...
Well you get what you pay for. A Wen or Harbor Freight planer is available for those folks.
I have two uncut Skil 100s, a shortened Skil 100, a modified Hitachi and a Porter Cable 653.
Of those the modified Hitachi and the shortened Skil 100 are what I actually use. If I were starting over it would be the modified plastic planer unless my plan was to focus on longboards.
I'm sure it's a nice tool, and will work just fine, but you're asking for almost $1,000 for it.
I think it's kind of funny when guys have several of them, and try to sell one at this price. Why did you buy the second if you already had one?
Skil 100 planers are niche collectors items now. Sort of like the housing bubble or a pyramid scheme. Or wine collectors, who can't afford to open and drink the thousand dollar bottle they just bought.
Unless you're a professional, turning out a hundred boards a month, you would do just fine with many other planers. And if you were a pro, turning out that many, it would be done using a CNC machine.
Not sure what the trolling is all about, but I'll respond. I've been hand shaping for 30+ years and collecting Skil 190's, 676's and 100's. I'm getting to the age that I really don't need three back ups to my go to everyday planer. The 676 is considered the best made (1952-1954 first generation). The price listed is less than what I have into it. $600 planer and $350 in Pete's work plus shipping and driving. It's the best of the best and worth every dime if you hand shape and will be mowing foam log after I'm gone.
From Pete Casica
"Good Skil's: My definition of a "good" Skil is one never used for shaping, has a no-load current draw of < 3.5A (5.5) or 4.3A (7.5), has good bearing fits, and is not missing any major parts. But you can't directly use it as-is for very long if at all. Most have no grease left in the bearings or are prone to a variety of electrical issues just due to the age. So my definition is based on candidates for restoration and subsequent resale with a warranty. This is the same as those I would keep for personal use. On Skil's that were of sedimental value or used by the famous, extensive repairs may have been done but they still ended up with the same level of quality.
Buying: From estate sales and other face-to-face transactions prices can range from 100 - $300. eBay, Craigs List, etc. price can be $400-$1K. When I was doing restorations for retailers, their resale price was around $1100. There will always be prices below $100 and more than $1100, but this all depends on the seller's expectations and your need/income.
Models: There is no difference in a 5.5 or 7.5 amp version as far as shaping goes. Under load of foam and a 1/4" stringer the current only increases about 25% so if the motors are within acceptable no-load current range there's no need for a larger motor. In fact, the 7.5 motor is physically smaller than the 5.5 and will jerk when triggered due to the higher start up torque delivered to the belt. Much less with 5.5. 190 and 676 models (the oldest) are the best. The castings had less rework on the molds and the copper motor windings are 1950's pure; they tend to have the best longevity based on the all of the Skil's I've encountered. Worse longevity is with the later Type 4 models from the 70's (orange/black nameplate). These have very different motors from early ones and the casting molds were so bad by then the finish had bondo and was dipped in primer.
Working on Skil's: You can train a monkey to take one apart and reassemble, I have detailed data based on my son. At best, you will get a factory version Skil that was designed for shaving a door bottom. Some guys actually like to shape with them that way (too hardcore for me). Like CNC shapes and other raw things, Skil's need to be tuned. The transition from the intended factory use to a shaping tool brings out the subtle differences in each one. I've spent 15 min. getting a shoe to slide right on some and 2 hours on others as an example. Further complicating reassembly are the various pullers/presses/jigs that the Skil factory used; everything depends on correct alignments. If there is any damage to be repaired or something that doesn't work right, it's then a matter of ability/time/tools/parts.
Sorry for this long dissertation, but needed to clarify what Skil's are as of 2021. So the only Skil's in "working condition" are really ones that were recently overhauled or restored. Working condition to me literally means ready to work; one that I would comfortably give to a shaper that's done 30K+ with a Skil".
Sorry if it cam across as trolling. But you're asking for almost $1000 for a rebuilt planer. For $250 more, a shaper could get an Accurate planer that's new. It seems like an awful lot of money.
It seems like an awful lot of money.
It seems like an awful lot of money.