Anyone out there actually ridden an asymetrical surfboard, ekström or any other shapers?
I have a friend that is an avid back country skier. He has asymmetrical skis that he loves. The snowboard is a very good idea. My first thought was why didn't they do this sooner?
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According to Mikki Dora Malibu went to the Dogs in 1964. The Chumash Indians will tell you it was 1664.
The ''intentional'' asymmetrical surfboard design originated in Australia, pre-dating Carl's activities by several years. I saw one on the North Shore, in 1963, with a Surfboards Australia label. Carl described the design to me, in 1962, or '63, as an Austrailian ''Hook Tail'', with a different rail line, and rail length, on each side of the board. Any Aussies out there know the deeper history of the design?
Funny - This thread is/was going on at the same time. Some where I've posted about one of mine, and with the help friends there are pictures... I'll try to find it.
I gave up. I need a double cross reference for searching the archives...
Anyway, why make only the tail asymmetrical? For example, I have a bad habit of catching my forward rail on a traditional fish when (attempting to....) snap in the pocket frontside. So, why not pull the nose in a bit to free that rail? Would also stop it from catching if sneaking in to a steep late drop backside...?
I'm sure I saw one in a post about carl ekstrom, or myerhoffer...???? found it. Look at the board, towards the nose:
I'd be doing one also, but need to free up some space - that is get rid of all the other "experimental" boards. It's a hard area to crack commercially, but for truly "tuned" surfcraft there can be no other...
His bed could make the picture deceptive, but I'm for the idea.
Granted, I don't do asymmetry forward of the wide point, but I off set those. I didn't read that whole link Keith posted, but it seemed to say asymmetry wasn't good for all around boards, as though it were to specialized. I think that's bunk.
I don't know enough about the full on business of surfboard making an selling, but I do know from the reaction of the average local around here, they can't get there head around it, and I'm not the one to try and convince anyone. Although, I may have mentioned this before, it puts them in a "Catch 22," which puts me in a good light: Many admit I surf well on my boards, but they question my boards, which would make me a really good surfer over coming my crappy equipment, which they don't want to say, nor would I, but they don't want to say my boards must work well, making me a good surfboard maker, and my "odd" boards having something to them even though they look so unorthodox... Ha! Either way, I try to surf my "secret" spot alone, and keep working on my research... ;-)
you could be right about the bed, or that the board is in the corner, leaning at an angle away from the camera, but my point is why not? One board on one side of the stringer...to the max...?
I guess it could make it unbalanced, especially if you pulled it way in, but then the light side rail would be easier to engage...oh hell....
I hear you on the local thingy. Where I live is, even though some UK champs are from here, is pretty close-minded. Fish and quads are the "new" thing up here and anything - even riding a log properly - can be looked down on, let alone my short, weird, funky finned creations.....ho hum.....sometimes its better to just smile and say, "yeah, uh-huh, you're right....."
I toyed w/the idea of putting on my latest board, "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand..." Ha!
But, I didn't want to be too much of an arrogant asshole, if it's not to late, but they may not know...
And, I remembered the time I made it the Swayloholix anonymous, and some guy was loudly proclaiming the MVG's on my board were gimmicks... "Yeah, that's why NASA patented them, and put 'em on the space shuttle..." Some times it seems better just to say what you said... "Uh hu, yep."
I have a friend that is an avid back country skier. He has asymmetrical skis that he loves. The snowboard is a very good idea. My first thought was why didn't they do this sooner?
According to Mikki Dora Malibu went to the Dogs in 1964. The Chumash Indians will tell you it was 1664.
The ''intentional'' asymmetrical surfboard design originated in Australia, pre-dating Carl's activities by several years. I saw one on the North Shore, in 1963, with a Surfboards Australia label. Carl described the design to me, in 1962, or '63, as an Austrailian ''Hook Tail'', with a different rail line, and rail length, on each side of the board. Any Aussies out there know the deeper history of the design?
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/help-setting-fins-unusual-tail
Funny - This thread is/was going on at the same time. Some where I've posted about one of mine, and with the help friends there are pictures... I'll try to find it.
I gave up. I need a double cross reference for searching the archives...
TaylorO
I'm not an Aussie but I know where they write stuff down sometimes...
http://www.surfresearch.com.au/1978_McT_Asymmetric_Seanotes_Aug_p38.html
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this kicked off on the 'er bb as well. funny...
Anyway, why make only the tail asymmetrical? For example, I have a bad habit of catching my forward rail on a traditional fish when (attempting to....) snap in the pocket frontside. So, why not pull the nose in a bit to free that rail? Would also stop it from catching if sneaking in to a steep late drop backside...?
I'm sure I saw one in a post about carl ekstrom, or myerhoffer...???? found it. Look at the board, towards the nose:
I'd be doing one also, but need to free up some space - that is get rid of all the other "experimental" boards. It's a hard area to crack commercially, but for truly "tuned" surfcraft there can be no other...
His bed could make the picture deceptive, but I'm for the idea.
Granted, I don't do asymmetry forward of the wide point, but I off set those. I didn't read that whole link Keith posted, but it seemed to say asymmetry wasn't good for all around boards, as though it were to specialized. I think that's bunk.
I don't know enough about the full on business of surfboard making an selling, but I do know from the reaction of the average local around here, they can't get there head around it, and I'm not the one to try and convince anyone. Although, I may have mentioned this before, it puts them in a "Catch 22," which puts me in a good light: Many admit I surf well on my boards, but they question my boards, which would make me a really good surfer over coming my crappy equipment, which they don't want to say, nor would I, but they don't want to say my boards must work well, making me a good surfboard maker, and my "odd" boards having something to them even though they look so unorthodox... Ha! Either way, I try to surf my "secret" spot alone, and keep working on my research... ;-)
TaylorO
Taylor,
you could be right about the bed, or that the board is in the corner, leaning at an angle away from the camera, but my point is why not? One board on one side of the stringer...to the max...?
I guess it could make it unbalanced, especially if you pulled it way in, but then the light side rail would be easier to engage...oh hell....
I hear you on the local thingy. Where I live is, even though some UK champs are from here, is pretty close-minded. Fish and quads are the "new" thing up here and anything - even riding a log properly - can be looked down on, let alone my short, weird, funky finned creations.....ho hum.....sometimes its better to just smile and say, "yeah, uh-huh, you're right....."
if they only knew...or i surfed better....lol
"Locals..." Ha!
I toyed w/the idea of putting on my latest board, "If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand..." Ha!
But, I didn't want to be too much of an arrogant asshole, if it's not to late, but they may not know...
And, I remembered the time I made it the Swayloholix anonymous, and some guy was loudly proclaiming the MVG's on my board were gimmicks... "Yeah, that's why NASA patented them, and put 'em on the space shuttle..." Some times it seems better just to say what you said... "Uh hu, yep."
TaylorO
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