Windigo Surfboard. This my newest ayso. Built for myself. 5'10" Toe
side. 5'8" Heel side. Also one of my newest shapes the "Hitchcock"
model. 22" x2 5/8".Did one of my "Faux" tint paint jobs over a play one
the old Converse logo's airbrush.. Heel side has more tail rocker and
Tri-Fin set-up. Toe side has a twin fin set-up.Thin tail. Single to
double concave to a pretty hefty panel "vee" to put this thing on rail.
Will be surfing it soon! Barry
Here it is glassed. Hydroflex supercharged. Haven't messed with different pressures, yet. Trying to figure out which fins I like best. Only ridden it twice so far. Mine's on bottom. Grendel's on top.
Here it is glassed. Hydroflex supercharged. Haven't messed with different pressures, yet. Trying to figure out which fins I like best. Only ridden it twice so far. Mine's on bottom. Grendel's on top.
They're realy nice..
I've seen them already on the erBB.....
But I'm glad you showed them here...
This place needs more pic. porn than talk....
Tell me about the re-inforced center strips of glass... Are they Volan??
No, not volan, just another 6 oz glass strip. HF just did it. They said that started it b/c boards were buckling. I'd rather have it on the rails, to be honest.
3 sessions in and I think it's a keeper. Super fast. The wide squash corner is loose off the top backside. Frontside, it has more hold in cutbacks, but still feels loose. Exactly what I was hoping for.
Halcyon's Mad Hacker quad fin set is perfect.
Next variable: pressure/flex (been riding it at mid pressure)
Most likely it is volan. Tape fiberglass is usually volan. It is too perfect of a strip to be cut off a wide silane glass roll. I think it looks great.
FGH fiberglass tape selection up to 12" wide is all volan.
I would love to give it a go! I realize it was probably designed for a regularfoot, and I'm goofyfoot, but I hardly ever go frontside. Always backside, right point surfing. On those rare occasions when I do go frontside, I tend to go straight down the face, and hit a bottom turn, often from too far back. Backside, I can hit a turn as soon as I popup on takeoff and I'm off! Frontside, I just don't seem to have it wired. That board looks like it would turn easier frontside for me, shorter rail, wider tail on the forehand.
This one belongs to / was made by Ross ['P-Co'] , it has now had the plugs and finbox [yay !] sanded . Yes, it IS a 'butterscotch' tint , for those who thought it looked 'familiar ' ?!
...hopefully , with warm easterlies [offshore here] forecast later , this weekend might be the launching opportunity ....here's HOPING !
This one belongs to / was made by Ross ['P-Co'] , it has now had the plugs and finbox [yay !] sanded . Yes, it IS a 'butterscotch' tint , for those who thought it looked 'familiar ' ?!
...hopefully , with warm easterlies [offshore here] forecast later , this weekend might be the launching opportunity ....here's HOPING !
cheers !
ben
Hi, have you surfed this board? How does it feel, it looks like a good design, but don't know about the finplacement I don't like the singlefin placed out of the center.
Just surfed it the once in the waves I made it for. Had the rights at Yallingup in mind, we unfortunately are a land of lefts in WA. Went beautifully, the sets were about head and a half and it was super smooth on the bottom turn, real single fin glide and then had a bit of snap on the top turn. Felt I needed to tweak the quad fin choices to make it a little looser still on the backside turn.
I like the off centre box as it brings the large fin closer to the forehand rail, enhancing the single drivey feel. It also makes a statement in the fact it does look a little wrong but only because of the stringer. It does line up with the apex of the tail which is moved off centre too.
Looking forward to more surfs on this sucker, only problem is i dont bother riding it in the crappy surf we have around here. Thinking of making the 3 hour drive for a morning surf later this week, might get the chipper to come along too.
I had a few lengthy discussions with Wayne before and after the tribute to Carl Ekstrom show. He said that the fin placement was the most critical yet underlooked aspect of asymmetrical design and theory.
You guys seem to be nailing it here. Different cant, toe does work but sure takes time for the eye to get used to!
We are all very fortunate to have the ease that fin systems provide when it comes to experimentation. Imagine all the grinding and lay-up work involved when glass ons ruled. Shoots, maybe some of you have never even glassed fins on. Another lost art?
Been thinking for a while about shaping my next board and have been quite interested in assyms. What I'm thinking is a blend of a mini simmons (toe side) and an egg shape (heelside); reducing the width in the tail hopefully adding a little of responsiveness to backside turns. 3/4's of the board would be symetrical, with the bottom heelside rail line altered.
My question is: in order to keep things simple on this first attempt at an assym, would something like this work?
Or am I wasting my time keeping both lengths the same, and shorten up the heelside edge. I figured this would eliminate the need to off set the fins(quad setup) and keep them symmetrical. One less step/thing to worry about.
Any ideas, suggestions, or input are appreciated.
Thanks.
Sorry for the low quality photo, had to take a cellphone grab instead of a screen grab from my other computer.
Sure, that is what this forum is about. Try it . You have a good chance of success. But do offset the fins. Put a bunch of boxes in and try stuff. Build it, ride it, and report back here.
all the best
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I have a couple twisted boards.....this one is definitely not a twist......an intentional shape in the tail ....below is outline and side view.....Maybe I will check with Greg about it....not sure if he would remember....
quad on the heel side and right now it just has a larger tri side fin on the toe side. I'm thinking a keel would probably suit that side better. What do you think?
Originally planned to have a symmetrical quad fin placement but when i brought it to be glassed I let him do what he thought would be best as it is my first attempt at an asymm.
Just trying to get my head screwed on straight...
Been trawling the thread for nuggets, at least one contradiction, but is this list about right?
TOE SIDE
longer, straighter, fish like, thinner, narrower, keel fin, less toe in, Quad-Fin with a flatter fish style rocker, twin fin set-up. Thin tail, narrower longer forehand line - 'gunnier'
HEEL SIDE
curvier, shorter, quad fin, thicker, wider, softer rail, more toe in, less tail rocker, tri-fin with more rocker, wider and pivotier; one that cuts back better
I guess it depends on what type of waves you are riding.
I made this one for soft hightide waves. I am goofy and the toeside is longer (5'0") and less rocker. A concave runs from the center to the toeside. Heelside has a lot more tailrocker and is very short (something like 4'6').
I've surfed it twice in different conditions and it works really well overall. The board pulls to the backside and the short railline on the heelside makes it very easy to turn. I have never surfed a board this fast and it tends to slide out on bottomturns because of it on bigger waves, especially frontside. That makes me want to put a nubster more towards the toeside.
The only negative I can think of, is that when paddling it's not easy to find balance. In fact the board pulls to the right HARD whilst paddling and when taking off, which makes it more challenging for sure.
I really like there are no rules in this kind of design. I have a bigger one planned with a few tweeks for smaller waves.
In fact the board pulls to the right HARD whilst paddling and when taking off, which makes it more challenging for sure.
Any asymmetry in your fin setup?
Yes, could also be the cause. I pushed the twinfin on the heelside towards the nose. The board is really a brute experiment to see how far it can go. As long as it can get me into the wave (I am a skinny guy, so don't need much volume). It works beyond my expectations when surfing, but I need a lot more time in the water with it to find the sweet spots. Unfortunatly we only get around 1-2 average days of surfs a month in the northsea. Taking it to Portugal thursday however! Might have some photos and vids in 2 weeks ...
I did the nose that way, to further reduce swingweight and prevent the nose from catching water. It does that job, but indeed the outline makes the board "sink" to the right. I tried to shift my own weight while paddling, but the board is too wide (23") to get my arms around. That's why the next board will be a bit narrower.
mini simmons template from the wide point forward on both sides. toe side (wide point back, mini simmons) heel side (widepoint back egg template)
quad on the heel side and right now it just has a larger tri side fin on the toe side. I'm thinking a keel would probably suit that side better. What do you think?
Originally planned to have a symmetrical quad fin placement but when i brought it to be glassed I let him do what he thought would be best as it is my first attempt at an asymm.
being this is my first asymmetrical fin configuration and that I haven't been able to ride it yet; can anyone state whether or not the board will track to one side or another due to the asymmetry? thanks
I gotta try this someday. Anything that could make my backside better. However, I feel like the opposite of this below. Frontside I can ride anything funky and make it work. For backside the closer the board is to HPSB the better t works for me
TOE SIDE
longer, straighter, fish like, thinner, narrower, keel fin, less toe in, Quad-Fin with a flatter fish style rocker, twin fin set-up. Thin tail, narrower longer forehand line - 'gunnier'
HEEL SIDE
curvier, shorter, quad fin, thicker, wider, softer rail, more toe in, less tail rocker, tri-fin with more rocker, wider and pivotier; one that cuts back better
took this out for the maiden voyage today and it went real well.. only complaint was that going frontside, the board tended to slide/slip out if I applied too much pressure bottom turning.
Do you think if I swapped the fin with a keel, it would hold/drive better? Or is there any other suggestions? Thanks.
I rode a 6-8 version of this board with the long side on the toes and I really liked it. Rode it in solid 8+ foot faces and it was great. I like the winged swallow on the backside for the cutbacks, and top turns, and the loger rail on the frontside for longer drawn out turns.
I rode a 6-8 version of this board with the long side on the toes and I really liked it. Rode it in solid 8+ foot faces and it was great. I like the winged swallow on the backside for the cutbacks, and top turns, and the loger rail on the frontside for longer drawn out turns.
hiya Harry !
do you have a similar [full length] photo of the bottom , and what fin setup[s] you used , please , mate ?
I tested my board in Portugal and it worked perfect. Getting into shape a bit and had no problems with the strange paddling I felt at first. On the backside it flies and I did some of the best cutbacks I have ever done (coming from a longboard background and transitioned to mini simmons type boards).
The twin keels are definitely more than fin enough to handle waves in the 1-3 foot range. I don't know if a quad on the heelside gives more added value in smaller waves. It seems like too much fin to me and the whole deal is to keep it loose on the backside.
I have a previous, pretty much unused, mini simmons board that I can cut up, so I will change the tail and nose and put in some extra finboxes and see how it works.
Just wondering if anyone would like to comment on what is the idea behind Mr Burch's nose outlines
(I tried asking the fella, but he has prolly got more exciting things to do than stare at a computer)
He's goofyfooted and the tail outline is fairly conventional, drawn out twinny in the toeside and a curvy quad on the heel.
But, the nose outline is curvy and pulled in on the toeside and very straight on the heelside. In fact, I see what he has done for the centre board; just reversed the template... cheeky!
Well, I wish I had jumped in on this earlier, but I never really used the Swaylocks account I openned. Burch is a good friend of mine, and has shaped me several of them, usually painfully, as I am hopelessly undecisive and very picky. I'll put up some pics, what does everyone want to see the most? His shaping evolves very fast, so my boards represent more of what I have seen and been able to try while he's been home over the past few years. I'm trying to figure out what to do for the next batch, and I'm glad to find this thread, as there are some interesting ideas.
In regards to the flipped nose/tail (round one side, swallow other) the point is to get a longer rail line further up the board backside for late takeoffs/grabbing rail while keeping the nose pulled in on the toeside. Also because it looks nice. That usually has a good bit of influence. Ryan thinks a lot about every aspect, and is able to intuitively visual the physics of a design, but some are just pure experiments grounded in curiosity.
Windigo Surfboard. This my newest ayso. Built for myself. 5'10" Toe side. 5'8" Heel side. Also one of my newest shapes the "Hitchcock" model. 22" x2 5/8".Did one of my "Faux" tint paint jobs over a play one the old Converse logo's airbrush.. Heel side has more tail rocker and Tri-Fin set-up. Toe side has a twin fin set-up.Thin tail. Single to double concave to a pretty hefty panel "vee" to put this thing on rail. Will be surfing it soon! Barry
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Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
Here it is glassed. Hydroflex supercharged. Haven't messed with different pressures, yet. Trying to figure out which fins I like best. Only ridden it twice so far. Mine's on bottom. Grendel's on top.
They're realy nice..
I've seen them already on the erBB.....
But I'm glad you showed them here...
This place needs more pic. porn than talk....
Tell me about the re-inforced center strips of glass... Are they Volan??
No, not volan, just another 6 oz glass strip. HF just did it. They said that started it b/c boards were buckling. I'd rather have it on the rails, to be honest.
3 sessions in and I think it's a keeper. Super fast. The wide squash corner is loose off the top backside. Frontside, it has more hold in cutbacks, but still feels loose. Exactly what I was hoping for.
Halcyon's Mad Hacker quad fin set is perfect.
Next variable: pressure/flex (been riding it at mid pressure)
Most likely it is volan. Tape fiberglass is usually volan. It is too perfect of a strip to be cut off a wide silane glass roll. I think it looks great.
FGH fiberglass tape selection up to 12" wide is all volan.
I'll defer to your knowledge/experience and stand corrected.
Any thoughts on how this would ride?
I would love to give it a go! I realize it was probably designed for a regularfoot, and I'm goofyfoot, but I hardly ever go frontside. Always backside, right point surfing. On those rare occasions when I do go frontside, I tend to go straight down the face, and hit a bottom turn, often from too far back. Backside, I can hit a turn as soon as I popup on takeoff and I'm off! Frontside, I just don't seem to have it wired. That board looks like it would turn easier frontside for me, shorter rail, wider tail on the forehand.
This one belongs to / was made by Ross ['P-Co'] , it has now had the plugs and finbox [yay !] sanded . Yes, it IS a 'butterscotch' tint , for those who thought it looked 'familiar ' ?!
...hopefully , with warm easterlies [offshore here] forecast later , this weekend might be the launching opportunity ....here's HOPING !
cheers !
ben
*************************************************** http://www.benchipper.blogspot.com.au/
Hi, have you surfed this board? How does it feel, it looks like a good design, but don't know about the finplacement I don't like the singlefin placed out of the center.
I had a few lengthy discussions with Wayne before and after the tribute to Carl Ekstrom show. He said that the fin placement was the most critical yet underlooked aspect of asymmetrical design and theory.
You guys seem to be nailing it here. Different cant, toe does work but sure takes time for the eye to get used to!
We are all very fortunate to have the ease that fin systems provide when it comes to experimentation. Imagine all the grinding and lay-up work involved when glass ons ruled. Shoots, maybe some of you have never even glassed fins on. Another lost art?
Keep up the great work. Aloha
Been thinking for a while about shaping my next board and have been quite interested in assyms. What I'm thinking is a blend of a mini simmons (toe side) and an egg shape (heelside); reducing the width in the tail hopefully adding a little of responsiveness to backside turns. 3/4's of the board would be symetrical, with the bottom heelside rail line altered.
My question is: in order to keep things simple on this first attempt at an assym, would something like this work?
Or am I wasting my time keeping both lengths the same, and shorten up the heelside edge. I figured this would eliminate the need to off set the fins(quad setup) and keep them symmetrical. One less step/thing to worry about.
Any ideas, suggestions, or input are appreciated.
Thanks.
Sorry for the low quality photo, had to take a cellphone grab instead of a screen grab from my other computer.
Sure, that is what this forum is about. Try it . You have a good chance of success. But do offset the fins. Put a bunch of boxes in and try stuff. Build it, ride it, and report back here.
all the best
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
Thanks for the encouragement. If both lengths are the same how much would I offset the heelside fins?
I understand the reasoning for it when one side is shorter than the other, just a little confused.
Do you think it would cause the board to track to one direction?
thanks
some progress pics. 5'4 x 22.5 x 2.5
1984 7-0 Liddle Stubby with Interesting Tail Foil
rogelio
That board just looks twisted.
I'd like to see the outline.
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Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
I have a couple twisted boards.....this one is definitely not a twist......an intentional shape in the tail ....below is outline and side view.....Maybe I will check with Greg about it....not sure if he would remember....
looks great. i like it. keep us posted.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
My first baby step into assym. Probably wont make a huge difference but keen to test it out and then amp it up from there.
Finished this a little while ago, stoked with how well it rides!!
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Dudeman,
Tell us about that thing.
Is that single fin on the Squash side a Twin?
I like mine a Twin on the toe-side.
Looks good!
Keep making them!
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Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
its a stringerless eps ... 5'4 x 22.5 x 2.5
quad on the heel side and right now it just has a larger tri side fin on the toe side. I'm thinking a keel would probably suit that side better. What do you think?
Originally planned to have a symmetrical quad fin placement but when i brought it to be glassed I let him do what he thought would be best as it is my first attempt at an asymm.
Just trying to get my head screwed on straight...
Been trawling the thread for nuggets, at least one contradiction, but is this list about right?
TOE SIDE
longer, straighter, fish like, thinner, narrower, keel fin, less toe in, Quad-Fin with a flatter fish style rocker, twin fin set-up. Thin tail, narrower longer forehand line - 'gunnier'
HEEL SIDE
curvier, shorter, quad fin, thicker, wider, softer rail, more toe in, less tail rocker, tri-fin with more rocker, wider and pivotier; one that cuts back better
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools
I guess it depends on what type of waves you are riding.
I made this one for soft hightide waves. I am goofy and the toeside is longer (5'0") and less rocker. A concave runs from the center to the toeside. Heelside has a lot more tailrocker and is very short (something like 4'6').
I've surfed it twice in different conditions and it works really well overall. The board pulls to the backside and the short railline on the heelside makes it very easy to turn. I have never surfed a board this fast and it tends to slide out on bottomturns because of it on bigger waves, especially frontside. That makes me want to put a nubster more towards the toeside.
The only negative I can think of, is that when paddling it's not easy to find balance. In fact the board pulls to the right HARD whilst paddling and when taking off, which makes it more challenging for sure.
I really like there are no rules in this kind of design. I have a bigger one planned with a few tweeks for smaller waves.
Any asymmetry in your fin setup?
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools
Yes, could also be the cause. I pushed the twinfin on the heelside towards the nose. The board is really a brute experiment to see how far it can go. As long as it can get me into the wave (I am a skinny guy, so don't need much volume). It works beyond my expectations when surfing, but I need a lot more time in the water with it to find the sweet spots. Unfortunatly we only get around 1-2 average days of surfs a month in the northsea. Taking it to Portugal thursday however! Might have some photos and vids in 2 weeks ...
I would guess that if it pulls to one side, it may be the nose outline causing it.
Cool board none the less.
Keep'em coming.
Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
Thanks Barry (love your boards btw)!
I did the nose that way, to further reduce swingweight and prevent the nose from catching water. It does that job, but indeed the outline makes the board "sink" to the right. I tried to shift my own weight while paddling, but the board is too wide (23") to get my arms around. That's why the next board will be a bit narrower.
Barry,
its a stringerless eps ... 5'4 x 22.5 x 2.5
mini simmons template from the wide point forward on both sides. toe side (wide point back, mini simmons) heel side (widepoint back egg template)
quad on the heel side and right now it just has a larger tri side fin on the toe side. I'm thinking a keel would probably suit that side better. What do you think?
Originally planned to have a symmetrical quad fin placement but when i brought it to be glassed I let him do what he thought would be best as it is my first attempt at an asymm.
being this is my first asymmetrical fin configuration and that I haven't been able to ride it yet; can anyone state whether or not the board will track to one side or another due to the asymmetry? thanks
I gotta try this someday. Anything that could make my backside better. However, I feel like the opposite of this below. Frontside I can ride anything funky and make it work. For backside the closer the board is to HPSB the better t works for me
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Here is my theory.
Some see it different.
http://www.barrysnyderdesigns.com/asymmetrical-designs.html
Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
took this out for the maiden voyage today and it went real well.. only complaint was that going frontside, the board tended to slide/slip out if I applied too much pressure bottom turning.
Do you think if I swapped the fin with a keel, it would hold/drive better? Or is there any other suggestions? Thanks.
Yes.
Bigger fin on the toe-side.
MR twin fin.
Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
thanks barry,
the base of the fin i have now is approx 5 5/8" and the height is 5 1/2." That seems pretty close to the MR fin...maybe a keel would be better?
I rode a 6-8 version of this board with the long side on the toes and I really liked it. Rode it in solid 8+ foot faces and it was great. I like the winged swallow on the backside for the cutbacks, and top turns, and the loger rail on the frontside for longer drawn out turns.
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hiya Harry !
do you have a similar [full length] photo of the bottom , and what fin setup[s] you used , please , mate ?
cheers !
ben
*************************************************** http://www.benchipper.blogspot.com.au/
Might be not as pivotal with the keel do to its longer base.
Never know until you try.
Experimentation is what's it all about.
Keep it up!
Barry Snyder
Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.
http://barrysnyderdesigns.com
Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns
Thanks...i'm going to try out a few variations.
Thanks for all the sharing.
I tested my board in Portugal and it worked perfect. Getting into shape a bit and had no problems with the strange paddling I felt at first. On the backside it flies and I did some of the best cutbacks I have ever done (coming from a longboard background and transitioned to mini simmons type boards).
The twin keels are definitely more than fin enough to handle waves in the 1-3 foot range. I don't know if a quad on the heelside gives more added value in smaller waves. It seems like too much fin to me and the whole deal is to keep it loose on the backside.
I have a previous, pretty much unused, mini simmons board that I can cut up, so I will change the tail and nose and put in some extra finboxes and see how it works.
Just wondering if anyone would like to comment on what is the idea behind Mr Burch's nose outlines
(I tried asking the fella, but he has prolly got more exciting things to do than stare at a computer)
He's goofyfooted and the tail outline is fairly conventional, drawn out twinny in the toeside and a curvy quad on the heel.
But, the nose outline is curvy and pulled in on the toeside and very straight on the heelside. In fact, I see what he has done for the centre board; just reversed the template... cheeky!
Ryan-Burch-Quiver.jpg
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools
5'6/5'4 x 19 1/2
Patient
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Aug 29, 1967
Carl Ekstrom Adolph
Asymmetrical surfboard
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
finally got around to getting this glassed; im looking forward to giving it a go.
Thanks to bsnyder for the fin placement help.
in my world is the turniest setup twin, then twin with trailer then thruster and maybe quad at the same level, depends on sizes.
so I dont get all these setups, toe side twin, heelside quad. I would go oposite....
I agree. I feel like my boards perform better with more fin area for planing surface.
Two fins on longer side, and one fin on shorter (backside side). I like my asymmetrical most as a twin fin though.
Joel Wasserman
Well, I wish I had jumped in on this earlier, but I never really used the Swaylocks account I openned. Burch is a good friend of mine, and has shaped me several of them, usually painfully, as I am hopelessly undecisive and very picky. I'll put up some pics, what does everyone want to see the most? His shaping evolves very fast, so my boards represent more of what I have seen and been able to try while he's been home over the past few years. I'm trying to figure out what to do for the next batch, and I'm glad to find this thread, as there are some interesting ideas.
You can also find more recent stuff on his tumblr: http://bobbersandsinkers.tumblr.com/ or his instagram, handle is something like bobandsink
In regards to the flipped nose/tail (round one side, swallow other) the point is to get a longer rail line further up the board backside for late takeoffs/grabbing rail while keeping the nose pulled in on the toeside. Also because it looks nice. That usually has a good bit of influence. Ryan thinks a lot about every aspect, and is able to intuitively visual the physics of a design, but some are just pure experiments grounded in curiosity.
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