silly wrote: "Just another example of a self-appointed expert spewing bad info."like yerself!
You are way off on that one, kid. I make no claims of being an "expert", and I make every effort to give factual, accurate info. I would like you to point out any time I've given incorrect info on this forum. Go ahead.
Go and grind your axe some other place.
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hey popeye sellouts aye. sold out there fellow countrymen to make a few bucks
nevermind there kids will all be sweet they can move into mum and dads house and put em in a nursing home where stupid baby boomers belong
Now that I think about it the blanks with the embedded mat went to the glass room for a layer of cloth. I can remember the glasser (he was a huge Hawaiian Named Wilton Keuma) would bitch about the popouts. After he glassed them they came to us lowly sanders. They were still rough and we ground a lot of glass fibers thus the itch problem. It was over 40 years ago so my memory is a bit fuzzy.
I had one of those Hansen hollow boards for a while. As I remember it was a twin fin and I couldn't ride it very well. We always called these boards twin fins....I don't exactly know when the name "fish" appeared. Does anyone have an answer to that?
cleanlines wrote: I had one of those Hansen hollow boards for a while. As I remember it was a twin fin and I couldn't ride it very well. We always called these boards twin fins....I don't exactly know when the name "fish" appeared. Does anyone have an answer to that?
The board you had was called a twin fin because that's what it was. A fish is totally different. The original fish idea was pretty much an underground thing for a while. It started out as a kneeboard design that a few guys took a crack at standing up. In fact, the earliest ones were single fins. The shape (with two keels) became fairly popular around 1974, as I recall.
Right, Steve Lis did the kneeboard version, one theory I heard is he needed something wide and wide-tailed that'd hold an edge at Big Rock, so the rails were down and very hard. Skip Frye did something similar, albeit a little later, as a stand-up board, with softer rails that were more 50-50 in the midsection, if memory serves. Very much underground/alternative until recently
The first twin-fins, on the other hand, were kind of an industry-driven fad. As was said of the clarinet ( give or take Benny Goodman) "An ill woodwind that nobody blows good" , the first twins required a particular style of rail to rail surfing done constantly which few could do well. Give or take Rolf Arness, who came and went right ricky tick around then.
At the shop I worked at, when everybody else was jumping on twins like they were manna, we didn't. And the next year, when they were 'out' again, we didn't have to do trade-ins. Lot of shops folded 'cos of twin fins, either because they did trade ins and couldn't unload them or else 'cos they didn't and left their customers holding the bag.
Now that I think of it, the Surf Jet honeycomb boards, seems to me that some of them were twins - same time, no?
Around 1969 or 70 I was in Encinitas CA and had a shaping bay in Del Mar. I was shaping twin fins left and right out of Pophoff foam. A guy named Brummett had a glass shop and he was buying my shaped blanks. These boards were "S" Deck with a rolled bottom up front going to a soft vee in the tail. They were pretty thick. I remember they were really popular in San Diego and La Jolla. Seems like thats where I first heard the word "fish".
I never really liked em but I got paid. Sorry if this is getting off track from the "list" thing.
The first fish that I saw was in Dennis Doyle's shop in Lavallette NJ in the spring of 1970 or '71. Dennis had gone to school in San Diego and brought back a fish that he had shaped at that time. I remember that I had never saw anything like it and wanted one. As I recall it was a blue resin tint, and not shaped or glassed very well.
This thread is all over the place - just my style. I love the fish, always had fun with my 5'11" homebuilt (by my buddy) when I was a young buck - but I'm no stylist and never was LOL! Now I'm just kinda gettin' the hang of my 6'8" "retro-fish" (they call it retro, but I really never saw one like this back in the day). Its a homebuilt based on a 6'10" I bought on ebay when I got back into surfing (just a few short months ago). But we never saw a 6'10 or 6' 8" fish, and the tail is narrower and the template is rounder with more "hips" and we used keel fins. I had a 6'7" swallowtail single fin. But we never called that a fish.
The ebay board, to my dismay, was made in China. They told me when I picked it up. Good quality shaping and glassing, but fragile as heck. And made by some guys in a factory who probably never saw a beach in their life. Probably child sweat shop slave labor, for all I know. Which is one reason I've gone to making my own. Can't pay $6-800 or more (which is fair), and don't want no more china boards.
Popouts. I rode a softops surfboard, and had fun. Surftech makes 'em, and some of their shapes look like they'd be fun to try. http://www.surftech.com/boardDetails.php?bid=SURFBDS+%3A+SA005-0706-RF&type=SURFBDS&tech=Softops&shape=Hybrid I imagine they're a "popout", meaning glassed right out of the mold. Or in the mold? Anyway, I guess I'd outgrow it pretty quick, but who knows, maybe not, now that I'm over the proverbial hill and well onto the other side! The one I rode was fun to paddle and fun to catch waves, but kinda just plodded along after that. So I bought a retro fish. Is this thread going in circles, or is it just me?
Many of us now (correctly or incorrectly) refer to pop outs as the cookie cutter replicated shapes from various mass production factories based overseas.
The photo/text posted by popey does say in the finer print that many of the brands are available only as pop outs. The other brands listed indeed have various models produced by Surftech, Boardworks, or other overseas factories but several brands still offer domestic machined/handshapes.
Granted, for most it doesn't matter. I know several good surfers who can afford whatever they want who prefer Surftech. For some a hand shaped board is still important.
Most of the surf industry consumers haven't a clue... I still converse with shop people who apparently can be among the most clueless of the bunch. I still hear things like "Epoxy Foam", "You can't glass a polyester blank with epoxy" (actual quotes from 'knowledgeable' shop owners), etc.
At some stage it's obvious that to disagree would be pointless. They obviously don't frequent Swaylocks. If they did, they'd know better.
How about an incomplete list of machine shaped brands? http://www.kklmachine.com/Latest/customers.html
The ones that crack me up are the sales people who talk about "epoxy vs fiberglass". In fact, the website that image in the original post comes from advertises their boards as "fiberglass".
Another sad incident was the time I went in to a shop looking for wetsuit glue. The salesperson tried to sell me a tube of Aquaseal, which I detest. I told him I wanted neoprene cement. The stuff that comes in a can with a brush in the cap. Shop guy says: "They don't make that anymore". I asked him how the hell all the wetsuits on the rack were built, then. I got a blank stare in return.