Board swap anyone?

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pridmore's picture
Joined: 11/22/2007

would like to but I am in Oz...good offer though, hopefully you'll get someone and you both get 2 super sweet new sleds....

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kensurf's picture
Joined: 06/19/2007

wow Huck!

I may take you up on that deal

Ive never owned a hollow wood board

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Joined: 12/24/2004

If you're in the area and would like to check out the LowTech Lab... let me know....

 If you would like to test ride one of my boards...no problem....

 

Ray

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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009

Hey Ray, thanks for the offer.  Not sure what the LowTech Lab is (your garage?), or where "the area" is, but it all sounds good! 

Mainly just looking for someone who wants to do a board swap, I'll build you one you build me one.  My boards are not perfect, they have their flaws, but if someone believes in my boards enough to commit, then I'll give it my best!  (I should add that due to the size of my little shaping shack, 8' is about the limit of how long I can reasonably go).

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Hey Ray, thanks for the offer.  Not sure what the LowTech Lab is (your garage?), or where "the area" is, but it all sounds good! 

San Marcos ,Ca

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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009

OK, cool - that's down San Diego way?  Don't get down that way much, but you never know! 

I'm looking for something in the long 6' or short 7' range for myself, as I transition down to a shorter board for the winter.  I can only handle about up to 8' in what I can produce in my little backyard man-cave.

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kensurf's picture
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Huckleberry wrote:

OK, cool - that's down San Diego way?  Don't get down that way much, but you never know! 

I'm looking for something in the long 6' or short 7' range for myself, as I transition down to a shorter board for the winter.  I can only handle about up to 8' in what I can produce in my little backyard man-cave.

 

Man Cave ????????

white picket fence,,,???????

I love ya Huck ,,, but ,,,, your killin me,,,, LOL!,,, seriously,,, Im bustin a gut!

please tell me theres a secret entrance so you dont get noticed comming and going,

 

but on another note my gal thinks its adorable

 

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hahaha, the outside is disguised.  Its whats inside that makes it my man cave.

It actually was built orginally for my wife - to store her books for internet book selling business.  But I hijacked it to make it my "board room" before she ever got to use it.

If that pic cracks you up, you should have seen what my wife did to it when my daughter and her husband came for a visit from Montana.

 

 

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Joined: 03/18/2004

Huck, funny you would post this.  I was thinking of posting a "board loan/exchange" thread.  I haven't worked through the details, but thought we could loan each other boards that we have built and see how they are built and how they ride.  I have had nothing but good experiences with doing biz with fellow Sways guys, I am not concerned about the security aspect. I may post another thread latter today.

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Joined: 12/07/2009

Hey Greg, hope that works out, sounds like fun.  Myself, I'm just looking for a permanent, one-time board swap.  I'll build a custom for someone, if they'll build a custom for me.  Custom with a lot of leeway for the shaper to go with his own vision, that is. 

I'm not really a longboarder per se, although I own a couple and they've been great for small days and helping me to get my sea legs back.  When I left surfing 23 (well, now its 24) years ago, I was riding a 5'11" fish and a 6'7" swallowtail single fin.  I also had a 7' diamond tail single fin. 

Being away from surfing for 23 years, I've never owned or ridden a thruster, I've never owned or ridden a quad.  I've never owned or ridden a modern shortboard - although I would need something designed for an older guy, along the lines of this thread http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/older-guys-shortboard

So I thought I'd trust a more experienced shaper to build me something along those lines, in exchange for a custom one-of-a-kind Huck surfboard.  I think I would have a bite if I was in oz, or could build a longboard.  I'm in southern California (think Malibu to Morro Bay), and my little backyard shack will only handle up to about 8'. 

I could just build my own older guy's shortboard, and in fact, I've already begun one.  But I also want to take my boardbuilding to the next level, and I thought building a board for someone else would be a good challenge, if a bit stressful because its something I've never done.  So this way I could kill two birds with one stone - get a modern "older guys" shortboard for myself designed by an experienced shaper, and get one of my boards into the hands of another surfer/shaper.

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Joined: 06/19/2007

Im glad you see the humor in my post

Im still chuckling

how bout a lopez style lightning bolt about 7'.6"

with a bolt on the deck ,, wall hanger of course

and I could do you up a veneer color combo board

what style are you looking for?

egg, fish, retro, hybrid, mini mal ,, dingy???

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I could do a 7'6" lightning bolt, if I had a little leeway, since I don't do "exact copies". 

And I'm really not interested in doing a wall-hanger.  I guess I could, but it would sure take the joy out of the project for me.  It actually kinda bugs me that people want to put wood boards in the "only good for a wall hanger" category, so I really prefer to make a board for someone who wants to ride it.

I'm looking for an "older guy's shortboard", along the lines of this thread http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/older-guys-shortboard, preferably a thruster or quad, since I've never owned or ridden either.

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Huckleberry wrote:

I could do a 7'6" lightning bolt, if I had a little leeway, since I don't do "exact copies". 

And I'm really not interested in doing a wall-hanger.  I guess I could, but it would sure take the joy out of the project for me.  It actually kinda bugs me that people want to put wood boards in the "only good for a wall hanger" category, so I really prefer to make a board for someone who wants to ride it.

I'm looking for an "older guy's shortboard", along the lines of this thread http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/older-guys-shortboard, preferably a thruster or quad, since I've never owned or ridden either.

 

Huck

dont get me wrong

the board must be surfable

your boards are of wallhanger quality whether you like it or not.

I usualy dont surf anything under 9 ft

but would love to own one of your creations, and swaping boards sounds like a doable way to go about it

 

So Im thinking for you,, a board of similar shape with a bit wider tail,, thrusterized or two + one

kind of a modern retro , sleek and thick with modern rails and bottom,, you know ,,, a nice carver,

with some special beuty to it ,,, so you could hang it on the wall if you wanted

you know theres no better feeling than having someone tell you "that board is F'n bitchen"

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Well, I would definitely be honored to have one of your boards.  I hope you realize my boards look better in small pics than in real life LOL!  I really want to build a board you would ride, 'tho, so maybe I'll shoot for a 9'er, even if it means I have to push the limits of my shaping space.  I have a 9' rockin fig, maybe something like this? 

I'll trust you to make me something that will be fun for me to surf in mid sized waves with a bit of punch.

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So I've narrowed your board down to these two basic shapes, 9' on the left, 7'6" on the right, you choose:

 

 

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kensurf's picture
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what are ur hieght and weight?

me 5.8 200

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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009

5.7,  175, want something that works well in 4-6' point break surf

so, for you....9' longboard, or 7' 6" lightening bolt?

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kensurf's picture
Joined: 06/19/2007

I think the 7.6 bolt would be cool

I might be able to get you a template from Spitzer

 

you need to be a little more specific on what you would want

mabe a step up or semigun with some added volume??

new school or old school?? wide point fore or aft?

 

Edit: you know if you realy want me to surf this board you may need to stretch out the Lopez bolt to 9 feet long

I would definetly surf that

 

I got longboards layin all over

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New school

Wide point middle or aft

I guess. 

Like I say, I'm open to suggestions.  I've been away from surfing for a long time.  Never rode a thruster or quad.  Since I came back, I've been riding retrofishes, longboards, and eggs, and enjoying all of them, especially the longboards and eggs.  I'd like to try something a little more contemporary (for the older guy who doesn't get out every day).  With a little volume for getting in early, but enough rocker to handle a late drop, that projects down the line, something I can take out when its head-high.  Like in the 6'8" to 7'2" range.  I don't do airs or any real high performance stuff.  If I could surf like anyone in my dreams, it would be like Rob Machado or Tom Curren - fluid, smooth, you know?

BTW, let me know about that template.  Because my normal m.o. is just to draw it out until it looks right, then scale my drawing to full size.  I'll get started once you tell me to go, but if you want me to wait for the template I will.  You can also tell me about rocker and anything else you're particular about, or else direct me to photos that you like and I'll study the photos and go from there.  Like I say, I don't do exact copies, so its no problem for me to go off pictures, they just gotta be good pictures from different angles.  And please don't use the "W" word again, it really rattles me, LOL.

Looking forward to this!  My first board for someone else!

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kensurf's picture
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you know ,,,,

what would be realy cool ,,,???

If we were going in the same direction in length

but you want short and I want long,,,

we could agree on a length and style

then you do up mine and I do up yours

you use your techniqes and I use mine ...

that to me sound more closer to being fare..

cause your boards are way more labor intense than mine, I would guess to say

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I want to check on a template ,, if available

so dont get in a big rush as of yet

I get the idea of what your looking for

something modern like a step up 7 or 7.2 full volume wide point slightly aft , like 1" back,,,maybe at center, I will have to play with the outline.

wide pin tail maybe round ,, rails down, flat bottom to dbl concave through the fins, thruster. hard edge in the tail

bitchen veneer deck, color bottom, pinlines ,,, Probox fin system,,

gloss polish pu/pe construction

 

whats your color?

 

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kensurf's picture
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anyone else want to sack up?

Hucks in Bakersfield

Im in Yorba Linda

we are contemplating doing this,,, any nay sayers?

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If it works out, I'll most likely be doing it again (I know I'm gonna love whatever I get, just hope you aren't too diasppointed, or it doesn't spring a leak first time out or whatever LOL).  Get me all the info a.s.a.p., 'cuz I'm anxious to get started, and like I say, these things take a bit of time.  Maybe I'll post a blow-by-blow here, so anyone can watch the folly unfold!

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why would I be disapointed???

just dont paint it and I will be good

just curious are you up for poly gloss? or still chicken,, LOL

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Huck's picture
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hahaha - you know its gotta have something painted on there, its become my trademark!  BTW I always glass with epoxy then poly gloss on all my boards (except the orange one, and I'm doing some remedial work on it and probably gonna poly it too).  I'm sure my boards are not as technically perfect as yours - you get what you get, no written contract, but if you don't like it, you don't have to do it.  Just sayin'.  I'm planning on you'll like it, but 30 years doing custom craftsmanship for the client I've learned that you can't always predict the outcome LOL.  Not too late to back out either, up to you.

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Huck

got a templat comming, so hold on to you britches

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dont get me wrong Huck

your painting is top notch

I was mind setting on your excellant wood working skills

and would hate to see you cover it up with paint

 

I am not backing out , we can go forward but Herb Spitzer is gonna bring me by a retro bolt template that will give you outline referance

you may need to stretch it and blend as it maybe short,, but its a start

 

I pmed you my #

lets talk

shurly you have some thoughts for your board

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Its on!  I admire your intestinal fortitude LOL. 

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kensurf's picture
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Huck

come on give me some input for a design Idea

so far I got blue or maybe purple

Im thinking something classy like sky blue with veneer patterned deck

any idea's???

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Huck's picture
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Ken - you are an artist - would I presume to direct Michaelangelo?  My only advice is Don't overdo it - I'm a simple man with simple tastes.

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same here

clean and simple

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how did I manage to overlook this thread..?

 

got me thinking - anyone in the UK interested?

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Huck

I got the template, its 9.6 I think

Herb said its a spin template and you should be able to adjust as needed

Please make it as long as you can, cause Im getting fat and slow,, ha ha

funnt ,,, that your going shorter as you get back into surfing,,,, good for you,, stay healthy

 

I have Dr appointments and some out of town work comming up ,, but I will start on yours soon enough.

Im still pondering the masterpiece you shall recieve,,,, undecir=ded on design asthetics.

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Take your time.  OK, I'll see if I can do this at 9'6".  It'll be a challenge, but that's what I asked for LOL.  I did rebuild that 9'6" that was broken in two, so it'll fit in that girly-man-cave of mine, but how many times did I get resin on my pants just trying to get out the door hahaha.  Thing is, I break out in hives when I hear the "W" word, because even some guys who build wood boards tell me they're too heavy to ride any good, and I just don't believe it.  Of course, I don't rip like Taj or anything, but even Roger Hall, who builds foam boards for a living, prefers wood boards for his own quiver.  Anyway, to each their own, everyone can ride what they like - I'm not trying to start a forum war or anything, and I don't want to start getting personal messages from guys telling me they know Brewer and Lopez and so therefore I can't disagree with them online LOL. 

When I first got back into surfing I started with a 6'10 retro fish, and really enjoyed it.  True, my wave count sucked, but that had to be partially due to a 23-year layoff from surfing.  Now, at the advice of a lot of the sages here, I've got two longboards and love 'em.  But when the bigger waves come, I feel more comfortable on a smaller board, since that's what I rode most my surfing life back in the day.  Growin' old sucks for sure, so we just gotta take one day at a time and be glad for what we have today, and not worry about tomorrow too much, other than takin' care of ourselves.  I just want to thank you for taking me up on the offer, it does my heart good to be building my first board for a "client", I'm stoked on getting started once the template arrives. 

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Huck

call me what you want ,,ur Your my friend and we're gonna have fun doing this with a reward for both at the end of the build

K

 

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This was a good old project from back awhile, and a few years a bit of water under the bridge later, my baby may come home to roost. Kensurf is thinning the herd and had to sell this baby, he wrote and asked my blessing first, which of course I gave. But this board was special to me, so I made a bid to buy it back, and he accepted. With a little help from Bill Thrailkill, who agreed to store it for me, and rooster, who will be passing me both ways sometime later and agreed to transport it, I hope to have it under my arm soon! I have never built a board this size for myself, and in the twilight of my surfing career, this is the size I prefer. I hope to someday soon finish my western red cedar longboard, but meanwhile I hope to paddle this baby out and ride a few. Stoked!
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SIMPLY A WORK OF ART.
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Amazing work there sir. On the initial creation and the fact you get to score it back!
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Be careful;' You'll be looking over your shoulder for Paskowitz and a "cease and desist" order. Lol! So will you now have both of those boards or is the other gone on to a conousier of fine lines. Lowel
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Funny. Don't know if you were around for the drama, but we did go down that road, complete with threats to send a lawyer to confiscate and destroy them. Did finally back off tho, probably realized a couple backyarders posed no real threat I guess. I will have them both. I really didn't want the bolt on mine, but left it up to the builder. And only put the bolt on his, at his request. At least I got input from the actual designer of the bolt logo. The blue board is available just pm me if interested. I rode the blue board once, at Faria beach, but not since. The wood board I'm getting has never been ridden, I plan to change that.
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Huck wrote:

Funny. Don't know if you were around for the drama, but we did go down that road, complete with threats to send a lawyer to confiscate and destroy them.

After the drubbing we gave them, and I lit him (Paskowitz) up about the bolt artwork being my creation, there was an abrupt change of attitude. The lightning bolt graphic IS NOT COPYRIGHTED ! The copyright is on LightningBolt, the name/word. If anyone has rights to the graphic design, it's me. It DID spring from my fertile mind, after all!
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Thanks for that! Yeah, the reason I didn't really want to have the bolt is because as a former graphic designer, I know that copyright law can be interpreted differently by different people. Heck, my sister, who worked for Disney's legal dep't, reamed me once cuz I put a Mickey Mouse on a friend's board. Nowadays I try to stick to my own original artwork on all my boards. I did appreciate your input on the logo Bill, because I wanted to accurately capture the essence of an old lopez style board, modified of course for California waves, and sized to the requested length. As it turned out, I had input on the board size, outline, and logo, the rest was up to me. But I never got to ride it, and I'm looking forward to it.
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Yes I remember the "bru-hah-hah". They really stressed Ken. If anyone should be allowed to use that graphic it should be the shapers who have used it previously; Bill of course, but guys like Parrish, Lopez, Nellis and others.
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If a trademark really means something to the originator he will keep it registered and due diligence to update every I think it is ten years. I recently did mine without an attorney. It was not that difficult. Just starting the process stops anyone from infringing upon it. When I left Maui someone opened a rental shop using my mark. By the time I found out about it they had already folded. If you like it, register it. If not it is "public domain". I wanted to put some art on a board for my daughter. I was concerned about it but found out that once the artist has been dead 70 years it is in the "Public Domain".
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Yes, trademark and copyright are two different things. Patent is another. Copyright laws are easy to get around by slightly modifying the original. Trademark is different, and while both are defensible in a court of law, you're talking lawyers, legal fees, court appearances, etc etc, so unless there is big money involved, it usually becomes a moot point. The internet has blurred the edges yet further, because of the ease of copy, paste, and re-post. A copyrighted song has much more chance of being defended than a coyprighted surfboard logo, because big money gets involved. The bottom line for me is just to try to respect the originator of a graphic design by not taking it and using it as if I designed it. A guy wanted to use my mural image on t-shirts, to sell, and not give me anything. I had to say no. Another guy wanted to sell one of my wood surfboard designs as a kit, and again, not give me anything. So again, I said no. Not that I expected a lot of money for my original designs, but come on, show some respect to the creator of original designs, if you're going to be making money off their work. Because Bill designed the original lightning bolt logo, and sent me the specs to do it right, I felt comfortable enough to include it on Ken's board, per his request.
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As McD said. There is a point at which public domain is the rule. Even if you have a patent, trademark or copyright, you will need to demonstrate financial damage has occured. I applied for a patent once. Getting a patent is $10K ante poker. Costs you, on the average, a minimun of $10K just to get the patent. Like poker there are raises and calls. Patent challenges and infringements are the raises. You must have the money to "call" each infringement/challenge by hiring an attorney to take them to court. If you do not have the money to call, game over. I have a colleague who spent $1 million defending his patent against challenges and infringements. He eventually won -- but had to take out a second mortgage on his home. In general, the people who benefit from patents, trademarks/logos and copyrights are corporations and/or the wealthy. The only real value a patent offers is that it ensures the big money players cannot prevent the little guys from making and selling their own creations. For something small and of limited financial value, you only hurt yourself by not giving permission to use. I have an article I published that I have allowed publishers in Japan to use for several years now (without monetary compensation) -- in college preparatory materials for high school students. I decided I am the one who loses by limiting the distribution of my work if I do not grant permission. My simple solution was they could use it for educational purposes if they acknowledged me as the author. I get much broader exposure this way -- far greater professional value than some inconsequential monetary pittance. Team Bolt or Nazi SS?
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OK, now we've gone from being stoked to be getting my board back, to Nazi SS, I would say this thread has effectively jumped the shark, moving it over to E&B.
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I believe you skipped a few significant, transitional posts between stoke and Nazi SS... _____
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Well I am stoked that you got the board back. Maybe sometime offline you can give me the back story. I'll PM you later.. Lowel
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