When I watch surfing contests on-line I see all of the surfers are listed by their country. Places like Australia or France or Brasil or South Africa or New Zealand or USA are always placed by their names. But then I see all these surfers with Hawaii next to their name. So why is that? I don't see any other country being split into different groups? I don't see anyone being from New South Wales, or from Bordeaux, or from Rio De Janeiro. So why is that? Why does the tour allow this? Are surfers from Hawaii ashamed to be American? Did I miss something or is Hawaii it's own county now?
PS- I cant wait to hear all you "Hawaiians" chime in on this one.
I'm gonna guess that you meant "country", not "county"?
The fact is that Hawaii used to be a separate, sovereign nation, with a queen and everything. But, a bunch of greedy, rich white guys stole the islands away from the people who inhabited them. It's the American way.
So, if there really was any justice in this world, Hawaii would still be a separate country
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That would pretty much be true for the entire continent of North America and the First Nation.
BTW the original inhabitants of North America didn't speak English either.
Bruce Cockburn said it well in Stolen Land.
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I know that. Many of their descendants are friends and neighbors of mine. A federally recognized tribe, in fact.
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It was a general comment.
Does this sound familiar?For decades now, illegals have been pouring into our country. They refuse to speak our language. They disrespect our culture, beliefs and customs. They trespass. They ignore our laws. They spread disease.
These foreigners are draining the resources needed for our own survival. They are taking our livelihoods. They have overrun our land. They will steal this country from us. They must be sent back to their home countries forthwith.
Respectfully submitted,
Kanaka Maoli, Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, Seminole, Cheyenne, Cree, Dakota, Delaware, Flathead, Huron, Illinois, Osage, Arapaho, Wichita, Karankawa, Kiowa, Wyandot, Comanche, Ottawa, Chippewa, Iroquois, Algonquian, Potawatomi, Sauk, Fox, Oeirua, Shawnee, Modoc, Quapaw, Wampanoag, Sioux, Miami, Crow, Pueblo, Navajo, Hopi, Ute, Blackfoot, Nez Pierce, Apache, Klamath, Cayuse, Mahican, Natchez, Paiute, Pawnee, Pima, Shoshone, Tanaina, Tlingit, Waiguri, Yakima, Yaqui, Yellowknife, Chinook, Makah, Salish
This would be a quick list.
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Howzit stoneburner, I think we could add some Alaskan tribes also to the list even if we bought Alaska from the Russians. This may be hard to believe, but there are citizens of the US that don't know that Hawaii is now a state in the USA. Aloha,Kokua
Aloha, Kokua
Well by that logic all contestants should claim to be Africans then, even the Hawaiians.
We all know Hawaii's history and we all know what the evil's of the "white men" of the past are, but that's past history and when people say things like it was the "white man" their making a blanket racist statement. Not all white men back then were greedy and not all of them were thieves. If Hawaiians want to be mad at the men who overthrew Queen Liliukalani then they should single out their living relatives and hate them. I'm white and my family had nothing to do with the queen being overthrown, they didn't kill Native Americans, they owned no slaves and they smashed no Eskimos iglus.
But for those of us trying to live in the present Hawaii is one of the 50 states of the UNITED States Of America. All 50 states have their stories, their battles and their indigenous peoples stories of conflict and betrayal but in todays world they are all part of one nation. Native Americans, Hawaiians, Eskimos, Aborigines, Maori, they all have the same stories....but again that was how people were in the past. That history still doesn't explain why surfers from Hawaii, even the obviously white ones, claim Hawaii instead of the USA? And it doesn't explain why the ASP allows this Hawaiian sub-catagory of the USA to exist on the tour when it doesn't do that for any other country. I wrote the ASP and I asked them the same question and I'll post their response when I get it.
And for all you haters just know I lived half my life in Hawaii, went to school 2 through 12 in Hawaii, can sing Hawai`i Aloha in Hawaiian and danced the hula in every May Day festival starting in second grade so I have nothing agains Hawaii and I'm also no gung ho pro American. I'm not looking to start some anti-American anti-whit people page I just want to know why the ASP makes this distinction since it's obviously not run by Hawaiians.
I'm not interested in debating politics or history (recent or past). There are many on reservations and elsewhere who do not share your point of view. I doubt they celebrate the 4th of July either.
Stolen Land- Bruce Cockburn -
From Tierra del Fuego to Ungava Bay
The history of betrayal continues to today
The spirit of Almighty Voice, the ghost of Anna Mae
Call like thunder from the mountains -- you can hear them say
It's a stolen land
Apartheid in Arizona, slaughter in Brazil
If bullets don't get good PR there's other ways to kill
Kidnap all the children, put 'em in a foreign system
Bring them up in no-man's land where no one really wants them
It's a stolen land
Stolen land -- but it's all we've got
Stolen land -- and there's no going back
Stolen land -- and we'll never forget
Stolen land -- and we're not through yet
In my mind I catch a picture -- big black raven in the sky
Looking at the ocean -- sail reflected in black eye --
Sail as white as heroin, white like weathered bones --
Rum and guns and smallpox gonna change the face of home
In this stolen land...
If you're like me you'd like to think we've learned from our mistakes
Enough to know we can't play god with others' lives at stake
So now we've all discovered the world wasn't only made for whites
What step are you gonna take to try and set things right
In this stolen land
Stolen land -- but it's all we've got
Stolen land -- and there's no going back
Stolen land -- and we'll never forget
Stolen land -- and we're not through yet
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Nice poem but what's any of that got to do with the ASP?
We all know why "real" Hawaiians don't want to be associated with America so there is no point beating that issue to death. I understand that point but that's not what I'm trying to get answered. My questions were,
#1 Why do the Australians who formed the ASP allow this discrepancy to continue? (Maybe it's an attempt to appease the Hawaiians who's islands they USE each year to promote the business of the world tour.)
#2 Why do pro surfers who live in Hawaii but are obviously not Hawaiian want to make this distinction? Is it just to be cool? Do they not like America or being a part of that country?
If I recall correctly, there was a major surf contest not too long ago, in which teams were sorted by country of origin. Among all the national teams, there was a USA team and a Hawaii team as well. IF I recall correctly, this was a nod to Hawaii being the "birthplace of surfing" and thus deserving to enter its own team.
Someone paying more attention to these things could likely remember which contest I am referring to. I got CRS disease (Can't remember sh*t) and it doesn't come to mind just now.
With comments like this you must have expected some flame and topic drift.
I'd say the origins of surfing have much to do with it.
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