Surely I'm not the only one who's come within a split second of a fatal accident with an SUPer.
I usually surf spots that longboarders don't even go to, but occasionally I find myself surfing in Cardiff and half of the time I come really close to having my new worst accident story.
3 years ago, I had 4" deep rail gap taken out of a tuflite, using it as my shield.
It's lame to have regulations, but can we start some OFFICIAL GUIDELINES for building safer SUPs? I'm mostly concerned with cranial impacts. Please don't tell me to where a helmet.
I'll start it:
1)Entire board with accessories must be under 12lbs. Board itself must be under 11lbs....if you don't know how to do this, just ask.
2)No pointed noses.
i)Only blunt noses.
ii) Minimum radius of nose outline should 4"...about the radius of your skull.
iii) Minimum radius of nose rail should be 1" ....yes that's thick
3)Padded rails.
i) Minimum 1/8" thick x 1" wide thermoplastic foam on the apex of the rail, around the entire outline...like boogey board foam...would take care of your paddle dings also
4)Fins should yield with 10lbs force (now they probably yield at 100-200lbs...breaking point).
i)make a fin box that goes through the board. Pinned on the front of the fin base and
spring loaded on the back of the fin base. When there's an impact the fin rotates up into the board.
5) please add...
Maybe we should also ad some rules for short boards like no pointy nose. Maybe a rail to rail airbag on all boards that pops out at impacts. Licence all surfers and Boards. Surfer must have insurance wear proper helmet and use a floation vest. Police in the line up to enforce rules. Now do you feel safer?
According to Mikki Dora Malibu went to the Dogs in 1964. The Chumash Indians will tell you it was 1664.
People who mitigate risk, usually assess risk stochastically. So if a short board weighed the same as an SUP, the impact could potentially be just as bad or worse. However, the probability of being hit by a shortboard is at least an order of magnitude less than being hit by an SUP.
Just from experience:
I've surfed with SUPers in the lineup about 20 sessions in my life and I've been hit twice. 10% chance of being hit. I've surfed with shortboarders in the lineup about 2,000 sessions and I've been hit once, and he actually hit me on purpose...not sure if that counts or not. anyway that's a .05% chance.
10% versus .05% is a staggering difference. Add on to this disparity that an SUP impact is significantly worse than a shortboard impact.
Certainly it's mainstream surf culture to be so cool that we can disregard our surroundings (environment and people). But there might be a few kooks out there that want to consider their surroundings when designing a board. When they run you over, and you don't get severly injured...you might be glad.
Yeah, good luck with dictating what I or any one elses surfs.
Only in Cali...
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I have had that thought on my mind lately, but not regarding SUPs. I had a couple of incidents recently.
1) I knocked my knee on the deck of my 16 lb. HWS. At the time I thought that I had cracked my knee cap in half. I just floated around for a little while until the throbbing went away, and luckily I was ok. Wooden boards are not fun to tangle with in the surf.
2) I went through the rinse cycle in the shore break at Marine Street while holding onto the handplane that I recently made. It came off my hand at one point, and smacked me in the forehead. The board is super light. I used 0.5 lb. packaging EPS foam, and epoxy'ed it with a single layer of 4 oz. on both sides. The deck and rails were covered with a thin layer of poster board cork. It is super fun to use, and I really appreciate the light weight. I added a padded strap so I can swim using normal strokes while trying to catch waves. It is almost like wearing one of those webbed gloves. Needless to say, the blow to my head felt like a marshmallow impact. I am now a big fan of cork.
You forgot the most important rule.
Only focus on your what you are doing at that moment. Don't be distracted by anything to include:
the flex characteristic of the test board you are on
inner monologue of why you hate SUP's so much
wondering if a surftec hater will run over my board
Now it is safe to surf again.
most people I see in the surf on SUP's are very skilled(way above average) watermen and woman.
The probability of a kook surfer being the problem and danger for everyone in an "A" rated surf break is much more likely than a stand up surfer. The break seems to regulate SUP's the best. Maybe consider a different break so you feel safer.
That's ironic because I feel safer in more consequential waves where SUPers won't go. When I go to a mellow break, I am in more danger.
btw, the only thing that is stopping me from SUPing is the cost to get one. I think it's a great sport...but it is young. Etiquette and design still hasn't reached maturity.
It is not ironic because that was my point. Sorry you missed it. Experts go to expert breaks, beginner SUPers seem to surf where you surf. Prone surfers on vacation here who think they are experts go to expert breaks and are a menace.
The sport of SUPing has been mainstream for 5 years at least. The designs have changed 5 times since. The use of 6 footish on up boards are used now. Men and women here are ripping on them. So far no related deaths. Can't say the same for prone surfing though. I don't recall the death count from last winter but it happened.
My take on your explanation is that SUPers get up 50 feet outside of you and you are probably in the way. When only with other prone surfers you basically are in the same line up are already out of the way.
Etiquette is for the inside floating buoy surfer is to get out of the way(or at least make an effort to) of the person on the wave, even if the inside surfer gets pounded by the white wash. For windsurfing, the etiquette states the guy coming back out has the right of way and the windsurfer on the wave goes around the guy inside.
STOKE-astically speaking, I have a PhD in SUPS which means I am Past Having Doubt that SUPs are absolutely AWESOME!!!!
Is there some move(snake) or conditions you can surf better or with more style on a SUP? Tiny surf maybe? You should be at work when its flat. Face it, SUPS ARE FOR KOOKS! Don’t kid yourself into thinking you haven’t given up.
Just for you!
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As an occasional flat water paddler, I am somewhat neutral on the subject. During a recent surf session a couple of SUP guys were very careful around surfers and managed to get some great rides on some of the best sets. Anyone could see they knew what they were doing and generally speaking, appreciated their skill level.
That said, if I'm not mistaken according to Coast Guard ruling of Oct, '08, the use of a paddle changes the classification of a SUP from surfboard to "vessel." I've read recently that this classification change results in a whole new world of responsibilities and liabilities including the use of a Personal Flotation Device.
I'm not a lawyer but if I understand correctly the operator of a vessel is responsible for the safe operation of the vessel. Running down a surfer could be a violation of the law and in turn result in responsibility/liability for any personal injuries or property damage that might occur.
Perhaps you had witnesses and maybe got the guy's license plate number?
Sorry, but my close friends and I, all longstanding good surfers, loath sweepers [also called janitors, they call us crawlers]; we consider the whole movement as a plague and a blight on the surf world; bummer is some of our good bros have gone over to the dark side; Iʻve tried it and was turned off; and our beloved winter home spot has been absolutly TAKEN OVER by sweepers; the rental shops send the kooks out to our break and we have to deal with them; then there is the guy who dives off his aircraft carrier pushing through sets, the leash breaks and the board takes out anyone behind; the horror stories abound; and at this point we can only watch in disbelief and horror as the plague spreads to all breaks; our only hope at this point is that the sport will become so crowded that it will eat itself and disappear off the face of the earth; alas, that is a fantasy that is unrealistic but is food that sustains our frustration...meanwhile the plague spreads.....
"The International Regulations for the Prevention of Collision at Sea" (COLREGS) are the rules of the road on the water. Also applicable are the United States Inland Rules
Rule 3
General Definitions
For the purpose of these Rules, except where the context otherwise requires:
(a) The word "vessel" includes every description of watercraft, including non-displacement craft and seaplanes, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation on water.
Surfboards and SUPS are applicable.
Rule 2
Responsibility
(a) Nothing in these Rules shall exonerate any vessel, or the owner, master, or crew thereof, from the consequences of any neglect to comply with these Rules or of the neglect of any precaution which may be required by the ordinary practice of seamen, or by the special circumstances of the case.
(b) In construing and complying with these Rules due regard shall be had to all dangers of navigation and collision and to any special circumstances, including the limitations of the vessels involved, which may make a departure from these Rules necessary to avoid immediate danger. --> In other words do what is necessary to avoid a collison,ie. common sense trumps everything
Rule 7
Risk of Collision
(a) Every vessel shall use all available means appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and conditions to determine if risk of collision exists. If there is any doubt such risk shall be deemed to exist.
Common Sense....now there's a oxymoron for you. Longboarders who take set wave after set wave because they have more paddle power. SUP's who take set wave after set wave because they have more paddle power than longboarders. Shortboarders and everyone else in between who have their own particular surf zone etiquette issues that piss off eveyone else.
Play nice in the sandbox, didn't Mom teach you anything?
FFS its the idiots on them, not the board itself. Ever seen the majority of shortboarders "try" an air? End result is an out of control board in the air, with a very pointed nose.
Where i surf, all the SUP'ers i've come in contact with have shared, and been sensible. Even told me when the sets are coming and where.
"It's the man, not the machine"
When people whinge about this, i can't help but feel they don't have the balls to address the real problem, the PEOPLE riding the SUP. Its much easier to jump online and blame the equipment than to have the balls to tell the idiots that they are being idiots.
yup, Beerfan hit the nail on the head...
Beerfan summed it up -
I think I'm came up confused... I'm still stuck, unless there's no choice for the wave ridder - probably should bail/avoid - thinking the rider has the right of way..
Isn't the person inside, paddling out, supposed to try to get out of the way of the person ridding the wave??? Like, paddle towards the white water, so as not to ruin the surfers ride...
TaylorO
That's the error in this logic! They are a plague at my favorite South swell reef break (which is usually not very crowded). I'll be sitting right on the boil and in perfect position for the next set from a long period swell. There are sometimes three or four SUPS in the area. They don't know about boils, or where to sit. They are just cruising all over the place until one of them sees a set. In almost no time they have all paddled from hundreds of feet away to be in perfect position to catch the wave before it peaks at the boil -- which is outside of where I'm sitting. They all randomly rush to catch the set waves and expect me to paddle out of the way so they can hack their way down the face of the wave. It's really frustrating when they take all the waves in the set. I think the main problem is that they are so mobile. Surfers hustle to get in position, but everyone knows who has the right of way when the set comes. SUPers don't have an etiquette system set up for the period between sets, and its just a pig pile whenever a set appears on the horizon.
Don't get me wrong. I am not a hater. I'm actually making an SUP for myself right now. I just don't think they belong in the surf zone near other surfers.
If there has to be a rule, then I think it should be that the surfer/swimmer/body boarder/etc has the right of way. If an SUP paddles for a wave, sees other surfers in position to catch the wave, then they need to stop paddling and get off the wave.
The growing SUP menace must be stopped. I propose NATO intervention.
i dont discriminate against sup. i just hate all surfers.
I'm not sure the "International" rules to which Surf4fins refers are the same as the US Coast Guard rules in effect in US.
The Coast Guard rules are followed by most agencies including Harbor Patrols and Lifeguard units. Of course, enforcement priorities vary by location. When the Morro Bay Harbor Patrol was asked, it was, "Huh?" They are responsible for the local lifeguard crew.
At places like LA County and Orange County, the lifeguards seem to take their law enforcement capabilities at full value. I hear around Dana Point they are about as strict as anyplace(?)
I have not heard of surfboards being classified as vessels anyplace on the west coast but have an open mind if anyone has had that happen to them. To the contrary, I've heard of surfers being run over by kayakers and the kayakers were considered responsible because of their vessel classification.
I'm not trying to argue, just thinking this is as good a place as any to clarify.
???
In California, check the California Harbors and Navigation Code (it's available on the internet). It defines a vessel propelled by a paddle to be a powered craft. Farther into the Code it states that powered craft must keep 100 or more feet away from swimmers, surfers, etc..
I'm building a 12'6" right now. The fins are triple steel reinforced carbon fibre. The bottom channels were replaced with stainless steel spike strips. I glassed the nose with 16 layers of 6 oz warp cloth. Half way into this thread I went out back to take a leak and tripped over that old Coleman aluminum canoe. I'm going to hack off the nose of the canoe and retrofit it onto the SUP. More ramming power... GrandPa Mantaray is really into safety. He took the spare air horn from his big rig and mounted it to the front of my SUP. You will hear me comming! Good ole GrandMa Mantaray is into safety too. She used to date Evil Knivel. GrandMama donated a Red White and Blue crash helment and cape for me to wear with my Stars and stripes Speedo. I plan on clearing out line ups all up and down the coast. Pesky shortboards.....beware....
C Street, Cresent City, Carlsbad, Cardiff.....even Sunset Cliffs.......
Stingray
Hi Ray -
Thanks for the clarification. HAHA!
I wanna write a rule.
One that doesn't make
me the target fool.
A rule that makes me
appear greater than
I really am. I will read
the rule aloud
in the middle of a crowd
I will wear a tuxedo from
the brooks brothers clearance sale
with a bow tie,I will wear my glasses
so I get all the words right,
I will stay up the night before
really late checking spelling
and timing the reading so I come in
under three minutes.
I will thank the mayor ,the governor,
my mom,and all the little people
who contributed to my fame ,respect and new suit.
but I would rather just surf when the goons are someplace else
arguing over priorities and who's midge's boy friend,and why they think
the piece o' crap popout they ride is so great .
surfing is way too cool to let some goon
ruin your fun, don't surf with 'em Or me
if my board is too [email protected]?
you have got to be kidding
boards under 12#
are not gonna drop in
if it is offshore winds.
all real surfboards weigh over 40#
real men ride real boards.
and a fourty pound board
will go right through an SUP
and poke out the other side.
aaahhhhh but I just wander
my thoughts should be on writing that new rule.
every body has to have a hair cut just like ...
no everybody has to have a scarf...
every body has to have their mom watching
from the peir...
hats every body has to have a color coded hat
and catch waves in rotation....
no cheese sandwiches at the beach...
every body has to have a yellow board
to surf on even numbered days
and a red board on odd numbered days...
every body has to wear a pendelton shirt
and chuck taylor all star black low cuts...
with a pennys towncraft t-shirt
and comb their hair lajolla...
and wear shades all the time.
...ambrose...
and no pointing.
ambrose M. curry III
Most of the SUP users that I encounter have no clue, whatsoever. I have witnessd some very dangerous behavior on their part. When it comes to etiquette and such, I have a simple, basic rule. Anyone who uses a boat and a paddle has no "rights" to any wave. They can either take the leftovers, or just deal with me dropping in on them any chance I get. I also try to take off behind them whenever possible and yell at them in a very abusive way.
Just last week I pulled up to a local spot and there was one of them out, already. Won't deter me. I went straight to the peak and took whatever waves I wanted. The guy had no skills and no clue. He tried to paddle in on the shoulder a few times, and I called him off. Then, he tried it again and proceeded to jump off his boat which went zipping out ahead of me, causing me to cut back.
Once I paddled back out, I calmly asked him if he knew what time it was. He said, "No". I told him that I knew. "It is time for you to go someplace else with your boat."
This was at a point/reef break I've been surfing for decades. he was a total stranger that I've never seen there, before. So, he had a few strikes against him even before he got in my way.
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The SUP disease is like some nightmare to us crawlers; I watched it grow at my favorite spot and now itʻs totally taken over; another strike against us is the fact that one of the cutting edge designers and manufacturers is a resident here and is a pioneer in the SUP sickness; we are in big trouble here and so far there is no cure for the disease...are there still miracles left in this universe....
How come nobody is talking about design on the thread I created to specifically talk about design...on a forum that was specifically created to talk about design?
Maneuverability is an inverse function of Stability...generally. Jumbo jets are highly stable and not maneuverable. Fighter jets are not stable and very maneuverable.
To stand on a surfboard without moving, the board has to be exceedingly stable...as a result it can't be very maneuverable. By default if you find yourself in the path of a SUP, the chances that they will maneuver around you are much less than if you are in the path of a longboard or better a shortboard.
So when you compound the risk of being hit with the severity of the impact here's how I would equate danger.
12lb SUP = 16lb Longboard = 24lb Shortboard
If you're designing a board for someone who is riding in locations where no one would ever get in their path, who cares. Build however you want. If you know that the rider is going to crowded locations, weight should be considered.
I don't think their experience should entitle them to a higher weight allowance. From my observation, it's the most experienced surfers that are over confident on the SUP and put others in very bad situations. Beginners seem to go off to the side...from what I've seen.
1.How come nobody is talking about design on the thread I created to specifically talk about design...on a forum that was specifically created to talk about design?
3."Unsafe at Any Speed"New Guidelines2.Surely I'm not the only one who's come within a split second of a fatal accident with an SUPer.
4...3 years ago, I had 4" deep rail gap taken out of a tuflite, using it as my shield.
I usually surf spots that longboarders don't even go to, but occasionally I find myself surfing in Cardiff and half of the time I come really close to having my new worst accident story.
It's lame to have regulations, but can we start some OFFICIAL GUIDELINES for building safer SUPs? I'm mostly concerned with cranial impacts.[email protected]@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
!1. this thread started out with a classic gripe arround here...so this is not a design thread it is a gripe thread.,,,?2 surley this is another gripe,,,third gripe value judgement about performance and your good friend who is you in another life.---4.complaint and identifying the tufflite part of the problem status.although surfing cardiff 1/2 the time and not riding an appropriate boardperhaps a long board where cardiff reef is historicly not fast , waves are well documented as being GREAT for longer boards beginers and StUPidds...+++only lame to have regulations written by iniates who have not spent 10 years living as a monk in the hymn-alayas fasting on enough snow melt to gain a clear circum-perspective to allow for the greater good to truely radiate from the omnicient declaration etched by lightning on the granite slabs of stonein the parking lot signed by Biff 'rage victim 'old guy post pro I know shipso listen to me... oh wait cardiff these stone slabs would be sandstone...$$$oh and by the way the state of grace govermentalstatutes requires putting a mandatoery faulty spring loaded finsystemup the arse of every board to pass the closed ranger booth at the massive paved parking lot fronting every break directed by professionals ,dr,s an liars and entrepenures to limit the weight of waves allowed to be harvested by recreation participants.***lets all reach down deep in our boxer shorts and design a new 12# woodie.>>>^6....2000 sessions = means you have surfed every day for 5.47945205 years.%%%I cast my vote for You to run the design teanto make all the guidelines for regulatingall the recreational fun for everyonefrom 5 to 105 years of age.thanks for stepping up we all have been waiting for this problem to be 1.identified and yes 2. solvedbless you in your design campagin
your friend ,...
...ambrose...first 40# stand up board built 1977
ethical stand paddling advocate.aka three people out leave with the paddle let the kooks Old guys ,kids and Old ladies have it to themselvesas was written a thousand years agonot a thousand days ago.
the Alii were the Alii for a reasonnot because they were good gripers.
ambrose M. curry III
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ambrose M. curry III
1.How come nobody is talking about design on the thread I created to specifically talk about design...on a forum that was specifically created to talk about design?
3."Unsafe at Any Speed"2.Surely I'm not the only one who's come within a split second of a fatal accident with an SUPer.
New Guidelines
4...3 years ago, I had 4" deep rail gap taken out of a tuflite, using it as my shield.
I usually surf spots that longboarders don't even go to, but occasionally I find myself surfing in Cardiff and half of the time I come really close to having my new worst accident story.
It's lame to have regulations, but can we start some OFFICIAL GUIDELINES for building safer SUPs? I'm mostly concerned with cranial impacts.
[email protected]@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
!1. this thread started out with a classic gripe arround here...so this is not a design thread it is a gripe thread.
,,,?2 surley this is another gripe,,,
third gripe value judgement about performance
and your good friend who is you in another life.---
---4.complaint and identifying the tufflite part of the problem status.although surfing cardiff 1/2 the time and not riding an appropriate boardperhaps a long board where cardiff reef is historicly not fast , waves are well documented as being GREAT for longer boards beginers and StUPidds...
+++only lame to have regulations written by iniates who have not spent 10 years living as a monk in the hymn-alayas fasting on enough snow melt to gain a clear circum-perspective to allow for the greater good to truely radiate from the omnicient declaration etched by lightning on the granite slabs of stonein the parking lot signed by Biff 'rage victim 'old guy post pro I know shipso listen to me... oh wait cardiff these stone slabs would be sandstone...
$$$oh and by the way the state of grace govermental statutes requires putting a mandatoery faulty spring loaded fin system up the arse of every board to pass the closed ranger booth at the massive paved parking lot fronting every break directed by professionals ,dr,s an liars and entrepenures to limit the weight of waves allowed to be harvested by recreation participants.
***lets all reach down deep in our boxer shorts and design a new 12# woodie.
>>>^6....2000 sessions = means you have surfed every day for 5.47945205 years.
%%%I cast my vote for You to run the design team to make all the guidelines for regulating all the recreational fun for everyone from 5 to 105 years of age.thanks for stepping up we all have been waiting for this problem to be 1.identified and yes 2. solved
bless you in your design campagin
...ambrose...first 40# stand up board built 1977
ethical stand paddling advocate.aka three people out leave with the paddle let the kooks Old guys ,kids and Old ladies have it to themselvesas was written a thousand years agonot a thousand days ago.
the Alii were the Alii for a reason not because they were good gripers.
ambrose m.curry III
ambrose M. curry III
"In California, check the California Harbors and Navigation Code (it's available on the internet). It defines a vessel propelled by a paddle to be a powered craft. Farther into the Code it states that powered craft must keep 100 or more feet away from swimmers, surfers, etc.."
Hi mtb - Thanks, that rings a bell.
Weight?!?!? The weight of the SUP, surfboard or kayak that hits me means nothing. I will punch you in the face for hitting me no matter what your riding or how much it weighs. Every person who enters the surf zone is responsible for controlling their craft at all times and if you cant do that, don't paddle out..... anywhere!
Surfers riding waves in crowded conditions get along by adhering to the age-old tradition of positioning. Surfers pay attention to where they are sitting in the line-up and each surfer claims the small area around him as his zone. Order is maintained by paying attention to and respecting the space of the other people around you. SUPers don't do this. Here are a few examples of the surfer’s rules all people "surfing” follow.
#1) you don't paddle over to a guy’s zone and expecting to get the next wave.
#2) you don't see a wave coming and race over to a guy’s zone and take his wave.
#3) you don't quickly paddle outside the surfer in the take off zone and take his wave.
#4) you don't paddle around or outside of a person sitting on the peak and try to take the next wave.
#5) if you have priority and you paddle away or you go for a wave you LOOSE that priority. Priority is kept by staying in one spot!
#6) you don't have priority just because you can catch the wave first. Priority is gained by your time and position in the line-up THAT DAY and is given to you by the others around you.... you don't TAKE priority with the size of your equipment.
The rules are simple and they are all based on your position in the line-up as you SIT THERE.... not as you paddle around. You loose all position when you move. But SUPers don't follow this established protocol. They troll around crossing through peoples established zone, they break the long established rules, and then they act like they have as much right to be there as surfers do. But they don't. They are on the fringe, they are new to the game and they are a disturbance in an already crowded line-up where order is barely being kept as it is. When and SUP paddles out into a line-up full of surfers he or she is an outsider who should get no more respect or priority than a person on a kayak. They should stay off to the side, accept their status, and stay out of the surfer’s way! Or move to a less crowded location where the primary sport of surfing isn't being done. Simple.
Some of you guys sound like jerks to be around...
Too many rules that you have tumbling around in your heads...
Maybe if you feel so strongly about "Your Rules", print them up on waterproof cards and pass them out in the line-up...
In my book, there is only one simple rule and it's written in my smile..."Share the stoke..."
We're just fish out of the water. Come 5:30am tomorrow, we'll be as pleasant as ever.
It's hard to share stoke with someone who's stealing yours. Dreamers like you who think there are no understood rules out there in the water should wake up! All types of unwritten rules govern every aspect of human life. Just try cutting in line at the grocery store... and when someone yells at you try handing him your line about sharing. I hear that crap all the time from the kooks who burn me when he says "Hey man just relax, I'm just out here trying to have some fun." Well guess what... I'm not!
Truth is, real dedicated surfers aren’t out there just trying to have fun, they’re out there practicing a discipline they take very seriously. And because they are serious about this pursuit they have little patience for clowns trying to make a community bike path out of their surf spots. If your fat and you can't surf anymore or your just looking for a new hobby to keep you fit then go ride a bike, join a gym, do whatever you have to do but stay out of the surf..... until you can surf.
My stoke is already threatened and I don't have any left to share with stragglers and fringe dwellers.
Interfere with my enjoyment or safety, and I can easily and forcefully become a "jerk".
I am just responding in kind. If you are an inconsiderate wave hog, or pose a hazard to myself and others, you're a bigger jerk than I am, no matter how I respond.
That phrase has become the blanket excuse/cop-out for the lame. I am willing to "share" as long as others do likewise.
Just because some tourist dink decided to spend a pile of cash ona new hobby at the local ripoff that poses as a surf shop, I do NOT have to welcome them with open arms.
When a beginner uses their newb status as an excuse for incorrect or nuisance behavior, I ask if it would be OK to run red lights or drive on the left side because they were "just learning" how to drive. It's the same thing.
I don't care if you ride a cafeteria tray. Behave or be gone.
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1234 I personally kow all those guys
that regularly break those rules
they miss me because
I will not surf with them
or any other greedy pushy
goons with a full tank
of self esteem spilling over
into their testesterone tank,
every day you don't see me
I gave you all the waves
I did not catch ... you owe me.
I only take one wave at a time
crowd me I'm gone ...you lose.
I have fun where ever I go,
if i'm around you better be having fun
or I will leave you to grump by your self and
I will surf with paul jensen,and a select group of illuminated
while the strugglers cop waves and burn their friends,
the song said "MAma said that aint no way to have fun!"
serious surfers should be at teahupoo nui loa,
rincon,sunset,alamoana ,jeffrey's,hollywood by the sea
with the promotionals to get their I surf credentials
validated before they disappear over the hill...
of course.
...ambrose...
unless you been there and done that.
ambrose M. curry III
1234 I personally kow all those guys
that regularly break those rules
they miss me because
I will not surf with them
or any other greedy pushy
goons with a full tank
of self esteem spilling over
into their testesterone tank,
every day you don't see me
I gave you all the waves
I did not catch ... you owe me.
I only take one wave at a time
crowd me I'm gone ...you lose.
I have fun where ever I go,
if i'm around you better be having fun
or I will leave you to grump by your self and
I will surf with paul jensen,and a select group of illuminated
while the strugglers cop waves and burn their friends,
the song said "MAma said that aint no way to have fun!"
serious surfers should be at teahupoo nui loa,
rincon,sunset,alamoana ,jeffrey's,hollywood by the sea
with the promotionals to get their I surf credentials
validated before they disappear over the hill...
of course.
...ambrose...
unless you been there and done that.
yes that is a rule.
ambrose M. curry III
Bravo to Billywillgo and SammyA for their their willingness to uphold order in the lineup; kooks gotta know their place in the pecking order and if they have good attitudes will be shepherded along by better surfers and learn the correct etiquette and rules of the road as they progress under the watchful eyes of more skilled riders; thatʻs the way its been for decades in all the A class lineups world wide; kooks with bad attitudes usually end up being dealt with harshly; sweepers should be content with the crumbs of all the fringe breaks or come back to the flock of crawlers who have years invested in the lineup and donʻt welcome unwanted intruders,,,ie. sweepers!!
What about this one, again,
Who "should" get out of the way - The person riding, or the person paddling out?
I was in side, watched a buddy pull in to a full on deep disapearance tube, another buddy is paddling like mad to make it over the shoulder, the guy comes out of the tube and and runs over the guy, who, in my "book" should have sat back and taken it on the head so as not to ruin the other guys ride... Well, the guy who sort of got run over (The nose went over this legs as best I could tell, as he and his board were unharmed, and the othe guy kept riding) went off on the guy who came out of the tube for not bailing out...
TaylorO
The activity in question is called "surfing", not paddling. So, the person who is surfing has the right of way, always.
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/assorted
I emailed the coast guard for some clarifiacation regarding paddle assisted vs. non paddle assisted in the surf zone. FWIW......stay tuned
There's no need to contact the coast guard to know that the guy up and riding ALWAYS has the right of way. That's another un-written rule every surfer SHOULD know about before they ever get in the water.
Me, I like Ambrose and Tony's approach..... if it get's to crowded at the good spots they put their tails between there legs and scamper off to some shitty spot, telling themselves all the way that those guys at the good spots are assholes. If more guys were like them and ran away every time the line-up gets tense maybe us competent surfers wouldn't have to lay down the law so often!
I hope
you guys
can spread
your message
of fear and retreat
to the rest of the goons
out there on the street!!!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahahah
(See how cleaver my spacing was!!)It all comes down to experience and talking story with better surfers; in the near future, our kook who got run over will be in the same critical position on a wave with someone flailing for the shoulder in his sights and BAM the concept will finally sink in and he will realize some surfing etiquette; hopefully no one will be hospitalized; some learn quickly, others never learn and are kooks forever; but definately there are rules of etiquette in most lineups, specially Hawaiian lineups where Alpha dogs WILL enforce when dumb shit goes down; other places maybe anything goes; I cut my chops in lineups where rules and respect abounded and witnessed many a harsh reprimand by elders when etiquette was broken; this made for a peaceful situation where everyone got waves and there were few mishaps; this is thankfully the case in most lineups still!!!
You miss read what I said Tony... I said you and Ambrose would be calling "THEM" assholes as you drove off. But hey, whatever, thrash away!
As far as Puerto Rico goes, you've scared me so bad with the... or worse... part that I'll never go there now. Thanks for the warning. The thought of you and your friends handling my ass just put me off of the whole idea. (not that I would ever want to go there, haha)
Now if you one day want to try out the Pacific Ocean and your man enough to surf some big waves in a 5MM wetsuit when the air and water are 50 deg. you let me know. I live about 2 hours NORTH of Mavericks and I'll be happy to meet you and show you where to paddle out. Shoots I"ll even tell the locals not to vibe you out of the water. Just let me know
Odds are I"d tear your outer reef to shreds.... and you'd probably never even make it out to my line up!
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