I have built 3 hollow boards so far basically using Jack Youngs' techniques combined with Paul Jensons' cork rail idea. I am using plywood ribs and redwood decking. My latest is 8'2',' dome top, flat bottom, glassed on fin, glassed with 4oz epoxy, double layer on the deck, it weighs in at 19lbs. [img_assist|nid=1065960|title=Redwood Hollow 8'2 dometop|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=640|height=480][img_assist|nid=1065961|title=Redwood Hollow 8'2 dometop bottom view|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=640|height=480]I really don't enjoy working with the cork on the rails, so I am thinking of trying to build a board using Roy Stewarts technique. The problem for me is I live in N. Calif and so far have been unable to find Paulownia locally. I am on a limited budget and having wood shipped here from the East Coast or Oz would cost too much, so I am thinking of building a "Roy" out of Redwood, but am a little concerned about weight. First off , has anyone bought plans from Roy, and if so, how complete are they? I am frankly reluctant to fork over $200 for plans to a guy who has his boards listed for sale for half a million dollars! I am intrigued by his boards though, cool shapes, interesting fins (or lack of fins). I've watched a few videos of someone riding one of his boards and it looks pretty interesting (maybe it's the red wetsuit and helmet!) Has anyone built one, or ridden one? How did it turn out, what kind wood was used, did you do the tunnel fin or a regular slyle?
Roy doesn't post here, but he is a regular at the Tree-to-Sea forum, and the Surfermag design forum. There are a few guys at the Tree-to-Sea forum that have built Roy-style boards. If I were you, I would take my question over to that forum, you'll probably get some better response / insight. http://www.grainsurf.com/forum/search.php?search_id=active_topics
I built a fish using Roy Stewarts method about 5 years ago - link below to the pics in quivermag.
I enjoyed making it but it was a lot of work - I didn't count the hours but I'd estimate about 30 hours work... Ohh back in the days before kids when I had the time :)
Pros and cons i found with this method are:
Anyway - I say do it and remember... Show us the pics :)
- it's very time consuming... Make sure you have time to go the distance
- Comes out pretty heavy... There are other wood construction methods that will turn out lighter
- I found the rails a real bitch to shape... The end grain rails ( due to the construction method) are a lot of work to get right... I killed a belt sander in the process :)
Thanks for the info. I will check out the other forum mentioned.
I am suprised to hear that you don't need to glass the boards. How is he able to seal the planking seams on the top and bottom?
I miss Roy Stewart. The Mods gave him a break but it did not work out. Roy looks outside of the box..... Love him or hate him Roy Stewart builds surfboards with nice outlines and very clean finish work....before you jump from one building method to the next you might want to spend some time looking at outline curves and rail lines...rocker and rails and roll...
Some boards look pretty..... Some surf good.
Roy's outlines (plan shapes) are just about the ugliest things I've ever seen. Laughably bad.
i actually think they are quite beautiful, i can understand the designs aren't everyones cup of tea - but i'd never slag off anybodys project - especially when we know they float and surf, maybe not how you would wantr to surf - but surf they do.
I think the criticism goes at the man, not the board.
Huck did one hollow wooden board, that I would never want to ride, but I'd gladly hang in a gallery. Huck got nothing but compliments on his craftsmanship.
Roy on the other hand throws insults like rice on a wedding day, and claims to be the most gifted board maker there ever was.
It seems to be the general rule, with a few exceptions, that everyone is welcome to post anything they built, and they mostly get applause and truly honest criticism. It seems to be just as much as a rule that if you brag, someone will come along to say your s#1t still stinks.
Sorry for the tremendously late reply to your thread, but yes I have built one. I started a thread with a bunch of pictures "Custom wood longboard Charleston South Carolina". Hope you enjoy the read!
Roy posted a step by step description of his technique on Sways many years ago.. It could be in the Archives ? I thought I had a copy on disc several houses ago....
I never see Roy make comments that aren't unprovoked. He does have a very honest critique but I mostly see him defending himself when he gets bashed.
this could be the most uninformed comment I have come across for a long, long time.
you need to get out more often.
It's a good design and construction method and design and the boards have drive.
SammyA....... I'm calling you out. You have never ridden a Roy Stewart surfboard dude!!! So shut up!!! Your a hater! Your comments are based on nothing but B S. Buy one or make one and ride it and then talk shit. Until then it just makes you a blow hard! Back up your facts dude. People like you are the reason Roy can't contribute to these threads for anxious learn ears. Shame on you.
SammyA bashes anything Roy Stewart. A cult follower? Roy's surfboards work dude ......if you have one post a ride report. Other than that shut the Gluck up. You are a snub foam rider without the compacity for forethought and greater thinking.
You appear to be a cult follower of the foam. Your mind is incapable of entertainng new ideas in surfboard construction, Do you know foam surfboards came into existence because they are easier for the manufacturer to make and for no other reason? Wood is the ultimate. Keep surfing your $600 beer cooler.
Sammy is right.
Sent to me by P.M. Steve83, Roy, Stoneburner and BGsurfer are all the same person.
(If you don't get the joke http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/hoax-fin-update?page=14).
But I really do think Steve is Roy
I don't think Steve83 is Roy because Roy can spell. I do think Steve has drank the Roy kool-aid though.
Hey DUDE ! BITCHIN !! Beat me with a 2x4 !!!!
Roy is gone, but you guys are perpetuating the negative shit he brought out. Let Roy's legacy go. It's not something you want to perpetuate.
The title of this thread is about using Roy's method of making a board. Cam made a beautiful fish using Roy's style. This guy from SC made a typical one and likes it. Why tear him apart for making the board.
I think it's terrible that a bunch of Grumpy has beens are taking all the stoke out of the younger generation. Yeah you know what works or what worked for you back in the day. So what. That don't mean a thing to these new guys learning for themselves. Let them have fun learning what doesn't work. Maybe they can do great things with a board you could never ride. That makes you the Kook because you can only ride "good" boards.
I see people riding old pieces of crap and getting on just fine. They laugh at all the I have to have the newest cool boards. Guys are tearing it up on costco boards that cost $100.
Swaylocks has turned into a real downer. People baiting others so they can rip them apart, others putting PM message info out for all the rest to see.
HA Ha Ha haaaaaaa! All the bashing and trashing doesn't really hold weight! I know there are people who hate things they know nothing about and love to squeak about it. That's ok with me. I like Roy's boards and I don't expect other people to. The people that talk shit are usually the people that don't have the skill to execute or have tried and failed. Old farts that think they know all about all because there old. There is such an intense hatred that is linked to Roy's boards. Is is because at some point Roy told you were wrong about something and you realized it.
So I will leave this one with. " I hate flying F18 fighter jets because their such lousy performing pieces of crap and their so ugly.
Oh .....wait .......I've never flown one. So I should shut the Gluck up.
Should your opinion mean something when you haven't done anything?
SammyA probably comments on motorcycle, skydiving, tattooing, and car racing forums. But you don't do any of that either.
I know your type dude......
No, you don't. With each reply you demonstrate that fact.
And, don't call me "dude", punk. I'm an adult.
Roy claims to have surfed large waves on his boards and says they are superior to other longboard designs in this respect.
To date he has not produced any video evidence to support the claim.
A multitude of Youtube clips of Roy surfing anklesnappers-head high waves are easily found.
Roy's pipeline challenge board lies in splinters.
Roy calls shapers "gay, foam scraping hairdressers" while pandering to galleries and museums.
A classic design...Made for the ages.
Simple elegance`....Sheer poetry in motion.
The best thing about roy is hes provocative and out side of the normal and despite
this fact the normal have perpetuated him to the status of a genuine
Cult hero enigma.
As history unfolds roys boards will become worth allot of money
there is a lot of hard working board builders that are obviously jalousie and
consider them selves more deserving of attention but remember forever, thay have created the ante hero.
So suck it up!
I my self wouldn’t make a board like roys but understand his stoke totally
and have 2 boards pu constructed that are over 13 foot long.
Love the debate its hilarious!
Oh and is it fair to say that most people on this forum are not pro surfers? So any jabs about surfing skills doesn't go far.
Punk? I bet you wouldn't call me that on the beach. SammyA ....I would make you eat some sand for that one. You claim to be an adult but don't show any attributes of an adult.
Your type feels safe making comments about things they know nothing about. You are arrogant and obnoxious and feel comfortable calling me a punk sitting behind your keyboard.
You wouldn't do that in person.
Ok, I tried to talk some sense into this, but someone here deserves the crap. Steve83 you obviously don't know why people don't think highly of Roy's boards.
Any serious experienced surfer will tell you that the board design Roy uses has many flaws. The parallel profile, long straight pin and round rails are not going to work well in really good surf.
The way he makes boards is unique and I think something worth some praise. But the actual shape, and all the physical characteristics make it kind of a one trick pony. Many people have tried the board and while it has some positive attributes, it also has its problems. The board probably fits your skill level.
I think you should take your board building experience to the next level and make a Meyerhoffer style board using Roy's build techniques. That would be a one of a kind museum piece.
The board probably fits my skill level? What does that mean.
Most of those people haven't surfed one.
Can you explain why they won't work in really good surf?
I'm guessing that you probably are not a very experienced surfer. Your question about why the board wouldn't work in good waves tells me that I'm right.
The long straight pin tail will make it hard to make quick turns. You'll be setting the board to go one way or the other then it's going to want to run that way. The round rails will grab water instead of releasing water, so that will decrease top speed. Roy's board had way too much rocker and that slows the board down as well.
Look for the Pipeline challenge board thread and see what experienced surfers had to say.
I like to make my boards go as fast as I possibly can. Hard edges and a tucked edge on the rails, as little rocker as I can get away with, and a slight concave up under the front third. The tails are curvy but also wide so I can make quick turns. Rounded off pins, diamonds, rounded off square tails, swallows will turn quicker than a straight pin.
Here's something for you to think about. Ride your board for a while, then go and get a Costco 8' foam board (like a big boogey board). The Costco board should be less than $100, much less if used. I bet you will notice that the Costco board will go faster, and turn easier and since it's also got a parallel profile, it wil paddle very well. Then find a good longboard to borrow and see the difference. It should ride even better.
Only thing that screw up this test is if you currently just go straight in on waves that are only about waist high, you may not see much difference.
Gay foam scraping hairdressers! Hahahahahaha......
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Been on this forum for only a week, posting away like it's a full time job, and going off on folks because they don't share your opinion?
Kind of like paddling into a new lineup right past the locals and yelling my wave as the next one approaches.
Good way to make sure the locals hope you don't come back.
Might want to reconsider if you really want to be that guy...
I am a contributor to the forum.
This is a community and a couple of the people you're getting into it with have earned the right to a little respect even if you disagree with them. As it happens you picked a controversial shape from a designer who has a 'colorful' past on the various surfing forums. I think Sammy jumped on your case too quickly and was too harsh on a noob builder, but challenging people to fight isn't the way forward for you either.
You've gotten some props in these threads for all your hard work and effort - you should be happy about that because most noobs don't get any feedback at all from their first efforts. Now go forth and put some time on your board and plan your next project. If you have questions about board design and stuff both Thrailkill and Sammy have a lot to teach you - all you need to do is ask them. And try to avoid turning your disagreements into duels. We ain't in high school here.
Sways is not about the destination - it's about the journey; and we're all in motion on that one.
To be honest, I really thought it was Roy, returning under a new guise as a kid from SC who has limited English skills. That's why I asked a few questions specific to his claimed city of residence. I'm a bit familiar with that town.
Now, it seems that it isn't Roy, but rather some poor misguided kid who built himself an ugly non-functional board. His social skills also seem to be very much like Roy's.
in case anyone is wondering why this ended up in Errors & Bugs
here are a few clues..
Can you explain why they don't work in really good surf?
That question was geared toward you providing some better explanation.
My understanding of hydrodynamics must be different than yours.....round rails grabbing water instead of releasing it? What?
You seem to be describing why a longboard doesn't make a good shortboard.
I never claimed to be a spectacular surfer. I get out there and have fun. Again there probably are no pro surfers on this forum. So arguing skill level holds little value. After all its a design forum.