Everyone wants to be a shaper/designeer if only in image only. For most Image trumps reality, and marketing craftsmanship. Got to say I agree with Yorky on this one, as much as it pains me. I was talking with Steve Boehne last week about it, and hand shapers with skills are going the way of the dinosaurs.
ghettorat wrote: Everyone wants to be a shaper/designeer if only in image only. For most Image trumps reality, and marketing craftsmanship. Got to say I agree with Yorky on this one, as much as it pains me. I was talking with Steve Boehne last week about it, and hand shapers with skills are going the way of the dinosaurs.
Bahahah,lol?you crack me up...love it.
another case of wak jobs sef promoting
and time to move this self promoting rubish to advertising
foamhack wrote: ... over 1300 views to your thread! ...
That's an interesting pick up there foamhack ... is that a reflection of the content? People are obviously interested in the topic and even the debate, but, like many on here, they prefer to read than contribute?
Despite what some people may think, the 'blog' is not for commercial reasons, but, like I've written here already, it is a central place for me to write and post pictures rather than having to do so across different forums. My reasons for 'sharing' ... for writing the blog was to record my journey and let others see that there are alternatives ... I knew there would be this 'debate' about machine cutting verse hand shaping when I started this thread ... heck, you don't need to be a genius to sense the 'anti machine' sentiment that runs through this forum.
I know there are many doing what I am doing ... I suspect others do not share what they are doing for fear of the backlash and negative comments.
I think the numbers of machine cut blanks coming from 'self designers' like me will continue to grow ... actually, I think a lot of you will be surprised how many 'shapers' are using the exact same process. The difference between them and me is that I'm being honest and saying exactly what I am doing, which I guess is the luxury I have since I am not doing this as a commercial enterprise.
As I've said, I can respect a craftsman who can 'mow the foam'. I understand and appreciate ... if you've spent years hand shaping and then this whole computer design machine cutting thing then comes along and with it the industry changes around you ... so, what do you do? Find ways to innovate, or, become really good at what you do so people choose your product over another, or for that matter, one they design themselves. Sure, some 'shapers' have gone into alternate construction ... others, alternate board styles ... either way, each have their 'point of difference' and niche ... that's how businesses survive. All industries go through change and the 'surfboard making' industry is no different, so while many may only want the 'hand shaping' to remain, the industry has moved on, and will continue to do so ...
What I am doing using computer design, machine cut, outsource glassing is another of the changes facing the 'surfboard' industry. While many may not like it, or see it as having no 'soul', the reality is it is happening now, and will continue. Just don't shoot me as I am only the messenger! I'm not doing anything new or different, I'm just sharing what I've learnt. Hopefully it may encourage others to share what thay are doing..
So, here's my call out to all the others using a computer design machine cut process ... are YOU game to share what you are doing and why you are doing it?
Surfboard Design and Construction Kook
I'm not a pro shaper, just a backyard hobbyist. Here's my two cents worth on your latest post.
Yes, the cnc machine has transformed the creative (manufacturing) industry, and will continue to do so. It eliminates the need for human crafting of a large portion of the process, its a cost saver, and a time saver, hence, a money maker. There may be some resentment against it on the part of certain individuals, but "the forum" has no feelings one way or the other.
The cnc machine can do certain things that make it superior in some aspects - repetition, accuracy, speed, incremental changes, for example. For pro shapers with a backlog of orders, proven designs, and the up-front money to invest, it seems a logical choice by some standards. I don't resent a guy doing what he has to, to survive, and a lot of other people here have said the same. The machine itself isn't the problem, and I don't like to see hate toward anyone just because of their use of the cnc.
I just think its a mistake to think of the machine as a substitute for hand crafting. Right now the machine is new, it really hasn't been proven what it can and can't do. Meaning, will the new breed of keyboard designers be able to contribute to the evolution of the surfcraft in the same way the old handshapers did? Or is this just a mechanized shortcut to a new era of mediocrity? I think any real progress is always going to be dependent, to some extent, on craftsmen who work with their own two human hands. The best work of the machine will always stem from this foundation.
There is a quote in the movie Jurassic Park: "I'll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you're using here, it didn't require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn't earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don't take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox..."
As a hobby or a pastime, if you enjoy what you're doing, there is nothing wrong with that at all. I don't think anyone is into 'shooting the messenger'. But when you announce that this is your "backyard boardmaking story", and it turns out there really is no backyard boardmaking going on at all, and you ask for feedback, you're gonna get what you get. Just sayin'
There is a wealth of information here to get you started on learning to handcraft your own surfboards. Its really rewarding. I hope someday you'll take that journey, but if you're content with your current course, then thats OK too, have fun, and like you say, get a few good waves!
hyuck Hyuck hyuck
goofy says shaping and glassing is a breeze,
U.S. 45 cents
honestly I just dont think goofy has ever gotten it right
he just never drops in.
pick up a planer
and shape it's
like dropping in.
ambrose M. curry III