I'm not a big fan of nose concaves, but then I've honestly never tried them, and I'm not really a "noserider" in the sense of hanging ten, just trim up on the nose when the waves wall up. I started surfing in 1970, right at the end of the longboard era, so only recently, in my old age (ha!) started longboarding. My favorite longboard has a flat nose, flat middle, and V in the tail, soft rails all the way around, pinched rails in the middle, and pretty flat rocker. I love that board as long as the waves aren't steep and sucking out. A wave catching machine! Great at Malibu or Rincon.
Yeah I said Rincon and 'Bu, but carefully omitted said secret spot. I like to take the quarter mile hike up to the top, save $2 on parking, but prefer the waves up there.
Funny thing I have this 8-4 mini-glider type board, similar rails to the orange longboard, but hard down rails in tail, nose and tail pulled in, and belly in the nose. But it still noserides! Go figure. (again, not saying hang ten, but trimming way up on the nose)
I'm always amazed at those pics you see of guys way way up on the nose, maybe that's when the concave comes into its own.
Funny thing about "trimming on the nose" from what was taught and learned, the board (conventional) will ride at it fastest around 2 ft. back, by moving forward of that point will slow it down. The slowdown can be increased by rocker flex i.e. Yater's "Spoon" of which I love. Unfortunately didn't ride one till 71. The concave idea is really only trying to add lift, Rode Weber performers 66-67 (long story) the last had an intermediate rocker at the nose and was "the board" at the BU able to trim and get some hang time.
Sorry, back to the point, my kids ideas on the next longboard have changed from "nose rider" back to what i was doing only a quad fin. Told him “too much drag”. Watched the Mav's and was checkin' out the quivers.. So much for that theory!
Aloha!
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
longboard quad? I've seen a few, yeah the Mav's crew seem to be into quad guns, and Robin Mair of Hanalei is another quad-gun fan.
My latest longboard (under construction) is a 9' x 22" glider (rounded pintail, pulled in nose, somewhere between a longboard and a gun) with down rails (and a "release" edge) all the way, plenty of volume, slight V in the nose, with an added bevel up front, and V in the tail flattening out behind the fins (single with sidebites).
I'm after a paddling beast, since I surf mostly crowded so. cal. point breaks, and I'm the old fart all the kids (anyone under 40) like to backpaddle. The plan shape is a copy of my 8-4 mini-glider single fin, but with completely different rails and volume distribution.
I had the design already planned out, but made some changes after talking to Steve Huerta at Fiberglass Hawaii, he was very generous with design imput and suggestions.
I haven't been in the water for weeks! Bogged down in other stuff, hoping to get wet sometime soon. Got a new board at least, put the fins on and base coat wax (I use candle wax for base, then just fresh coat of surf wax before paddle out). Also got a new hood. But broke right now, maybe have to sell a board or something to get the wheels oiled.
Hey oldphart, hope you're doing well these days, got sidetracked into another project lately shaping the 8-2 blank, I made a really fat board, with the fattest rails you've ever seen! This thing might be a dog but it will be a paddler for sure. Took Tom Mahady's "lineup killer' template, and modified it a bit. I need your quad info now if you care to share. At 8 foot by 22" by 3 5/8", I'm thinking of calling it the Bakersfield Shortboard haha. Pulled in the nose, wide broom tail, slight concave in nose, flat mid, V out the tail with a tiny bit of double concaves in the V portion. Its a beast, I can hardly get my arm around it.
Its like a combination (or fuster-cluck) of a Stoker V and Mahady Lineup Killer and an Ace SUP Revenge model! Looking at the rails, it might even have a little SUP in there too, LOL.
Banana yellow bottom and rails - I painted a picture of Carmen Miranda on the deck, tutti fruity hat included, and added a blue resin swirl. Not done yet.
Not your standard off the rack board, for sure. Like you said, if it were, what's the point?
The 8-2 A is a killer blank [email protected] suggested it for a project and had the "X" done a beast of foam!
Carmen Miranda! With the fruit hat? Pretty damn bitchen, me can smell the bananas, Ha. Gotta a 8'-8' here for boy. Think I gotta pix here. There is a LOT of stuff to these. I surf a little more up on the tail on my turns so these are just a little bit forward than the norm
Here’s some valuable info I got from ICC “Fronts at 16", front of box 2.5" from rail, rear of box at 1"
Rears at 8.5", front of box at 3.5", rear of box at 1.75"
The root is the thruster set up it is wise to put the fifth box in maybe a small fins unlimited.
Fin cants? For us “oldpharts” fronts 5 degree rears @3 degrees.
Note on my SB’s me’s movin’ the rears closer together to produce a feel more like the truster.
The 8-2 A is a killer blank [email protected] suggested it for a project and had the "X" done a beast of foam!
Carmen Miranda! With the fruit hat? Pretty damn bitchen, me can smell the bananas, Ha. Gotta a 8'-8' here for boy. Think I gotta pix here. There is a LOT of stuff to these. I surf a little more up on the tail on my turns so these are just a little bit forward than the norm
Here’s some valuable info I got from ICC “Fronts at 16", front of box 2.5" from rail, rear of box at 1"
Rears at 8.5", front of box at 3.5", rear of box at 1.75"
The root is the thruster set up it is wise to put the fifth box in maybe a small fins unlimited.
Fin cants? For us “oldpharts” fronts 5 degree rears @3 degrees.
Note on my SB’s me’s movin’ the rears closer together to produce a feel more like the truster.
Aloha
Thanks Matty I absorbed a bit of this, and some of it went over my head :-)
I posted the question on the General Discussion forum to pursue further, now that I'm at the point I need to make some definite decisions.
Yeah I'll try to get some pics up later but I brush painted the picture right onto the raw foam. First time I ever tried that. And first real resin swirl too.
the thruster revolution passed me by during all those years I wasn't surfing. I started with singles and was riding twins when I quit, since coming back its been mostly singles. Tom mahady's sent me his lineup killer template which I modified, but still pretty close, and he goes quad but farther off the rail on the rears. I think I'll go with your numbers and add the 5th plug for a thruster setup as an option.
my 2nd go round with making boards transitioned from single fin to twins and I had a freakin' blast doin' em from the HB ripper to the Zuma tube rider. Once Simon Anderson (God bless) came on me was piss'd! Used my twin set up only added the Velzy "V" fin made it early 81 last one till 5 years ago. Rode it up and down Cali, Oahu and Maui great board! Rode a bunch of "others" thrusters but didn't pay much attention.
BTW, I do have a few "notes" regarding "quads" as these days pirates are know as researchers!
Finally got the "Faux" boards handled, fired up the new Skil wanted to go back to the Hitachi stuck with with the Skil first blank was "green" cuz me was cutting deep had to slow way down 2nd blank was blue and faster loving the planner now buddy!
Did 3 over the week end long board done about an hour ago...
I would love to see pics of the faux finish boards!
hard to tell much from that photo - what did you shape? Three in a weekend is pretty good. Do you glass them yourself too? I just assumed you did since you were talking about glassing with other fabrics.
Any waves in your direction? Caught a few at l.a. north county lately, nothing significant 'tho. Was gonna shoot for a meet up on Friday but doesn't look like it now, maybe next week. I did a weird leash attachment on my 8 footer, just got a wild hair, left the stringer proud in the tail and gonna attach my leash to it. Being fat (thick) board with a wood tail it looks like a little boat, I'm calling it the banana boat.
Gotta see the inventive leash plug sounds out there enought for me to dig.
Don't know if you have seen the "Chumash collection" 1st pix. they just need polishing.
The next batch are faux balsa and they are on the back burner till I get caught up (if ever).
in the pix prior bottom LB 8'-8" a knockoff of my favorite (by C. McCrystal) only Quad and glad me took those photo's cuz in my haste I lost my dots!
upper rack top dbl wing "fang" (strange swallow) very simple flat to vee.
The other two are the John Kelley "scorpion tails" that are close to being done. Some of the most "out there" boards I've done in a very long time if ever.
I'm, taking shots as I progress on all and like "Tharkill" I'm posting (oh yeah I do my own laminations and fins) after they are finished> I got a feeling if I want to see "Birds board" I'll be drivin' to Del Mar...
The "wood" boards are beautiful! The boards you shaped are interesting, I'm not familiar with the shaper you mention, but the tail looks like it has a serious step in it, does that loosen it up? Looking forward to pics when they're completed! The colored foam by the stringer, is that something special you ordered?
yeah that's the first of 5 only the only US blank. My friends from Hawaii started with this concept for knee boards and I told em last summer the blanks would be trouble (width) and I recieved 3 blanks from Millenium and told 'em we needed more width and why not go with the 8-2 like yours only extra thick with 2 -1/2" black foam inserts (at least that was my spec) the trouble was with 7" of rocker the high density foam came up about 3/8" short on the bottom. Wade and my buds did this as I had it all set up with Steve. So I turned into "Steiner" (trouble with the blanks).
I went ahead and accepted it, Wade owe's me and hey gave that 90's C St board to Steve, funny as I was leaving Steve grabed it as I was hoisting the custom blank and I said what? That's yours, oh the look on his face HA...
So anyway I got one Scorpion tail waiting and another blank on order at Millenium with a 11/2" balsa to get the width (24 1/2")
Some fun hugh...
John Kelley RIP an early North Shore big wave rider/shaper patented the Hydro photo is one of John's
If this is, as SammyA said "the kids table" Ha just a good way to avoid unnecessary criticism prior to posting "a build tread".
Got "boys” board to hot coat last night.
"Boy" did cut laps not a too bad but he already had pissed me off so it will be quad only! Ha!!!
Here's some shot's, 4 bottom w/ 1/2" Vector net 227 E glass 4/4/6 deck, red foam and tail flip so "Boy" can land revert, ah excuse the mess ,not like I got nothing waiting and a new blank shows up this afternoon, just couldn't leave it alone! Nice 1" Balsa!
Looking awesome Matty, the boy is a bit of a ripper, good test pilot! I haven't delved into the fabrics yet, so its over my head to comment on, but looks nice, as do all your boards. Thanks for posting!
Ha - nobody is out there!
I'm not a big fan of nose concaves, but then I've honestly never tried them, and I'm not really a "noserider" in the sense of hanging ten, just trim up on the nose when the waves wall up. I started surfing in 1970, right at the end of the longboard era, so only recently, in my old age (ha!) started longboarding. My favorite longboard has a flat nose, flat middle, and V in the tail, soft rails all the way around, pinched rails in the middle, and pretty flat rocker. I love that board as long as the waves aren't steep and sucking out. A wave catching machine! Great at Malibu or Rincon.
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
Yeah I said Rincon and 'Bu, but carefully omitted said secret spot. I like to take the quarter mile hike up to the top, save $2 on parking, but prefer the waves up there.
Funny thing I have this 8-4 mini-glider type board, similar rails to the orange longboard, but hard down rails in tail, nose and tail pulled in, and belly in the nose. But it still noserides! Go figure. (again, not saying hang ten, but trimming way up on the nose)
I'm always amazed at those pics you see of guys way way up on the nose, maybe that's when the concave comes into its own.
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
longboard quad? I've seen a few, yeah the Mav's crew seem to be into quad guns, and Robin Mair of Hanalei is another quad-gun fan.
My latest longboard (under construction) is a 9' x 22" glider (rounded pintail, pulled in nose, somewhere between a longboard and a gun) with down rails (and a "release" edge) all the way, plenty of volume, slight V in the nose, with an added bevel up front, and V in the tail flattening out behind the fins (single with sidebites).
I'm after a paddling beast, since I surf mostly crowded so. cal. point breaks, and I'm the old fart all the kids (anyone under 40) like to backpaddle. The plan shape is a copy of my 8-4 mini-glider single fin, but with completely different rails and volume distribution.
I had the design already planned out, but made some changes after talking to Steve Huerta at Fiberglass Hawaii, he was very generous with design imput and suggestions.
Yeah, Steve is part of what makes this fun! Cool guy, Love Wade and Louie too!
So Maybe soon we'll hook up. So you know what "crazy greybeard aka oldphart" looks like... Ha.
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
cool pic! Nice board's.
"Freestyle."
Hills of Say Me!
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
Usta be the only way in from da Val.
Oh, and that is the "sin bin" logo on the first 2 boards!
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
how cool is that? Here's a slightly simplified version that might lend itself to a smaller surfboard logo size
Nice looking longboard quiver - you'll have to explain to me someday about the concaves you got going there
Missing in action, hope resin has cured enought! Remember lefthand left a circle, right hand right a circle.
Now the surf will be flat!
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
I haven't been in the water for weeks! Bogged down in other stuff, hoping to get wet sometime soon. Got a new board at least, put the fins on and base coat wax (I use candle wax for base, then just fresh coat of surf wax before paddle out). Also got a new hood. But broke right now, maybe have to sell a board or something to get the wheels oiled.
"Freestyle."
Hey oldphart, hope you're doing well these days, got sidetracked into another project lately shaping the 8-2 blank, I made a really fat board, with the fattest rails you've ever seen! This thing might be a dog but it will be a paddler for sure. Took Tom Mahady's "lineup killer' template, and modified it a bit. I need your quad info now if you care to share. At 8 foot by 22" by 3 5/8", I'm thinking of calling it the Bakersfield Shortboard haha. Pulled in the nose, wide broom tail, slight concave in nose, flat mid, V out the tail with a tiny bit of double concaves in the V portion. Its a beast, I can hardly get my arm around it.
Its like a combination (or fuster-cluck) of a Stoker V and Mahady Lineup Killer and an Ace SUP Revenge model! Looking at the rails, it might even have a little SUP in there too, LOL.
Banana yellow bottom and rails - I painted a picture of Carmen Miranda on the deck, tutti fruity hat included, and added a blue resin swirl. Not done yet.
Not your standard off the rack board, for sure. Like you said, if it were, what's the point?
The 8-2 A is a killer blank [email protected] suggested it for a project and had the "X" done a beast of foam!
Carmen Miranda! With the fruit hat? Pretty damn bitchen, me can smell the bananas, Ha. Gotta a 8'-8' here for boy. Think I gotta pix here. There is a LOT of stuff to these. I surf a little more up on the tail on my turns so these are just a little bit forward than the norm
Here’s some valuable info I got from ICC “Fronts at 16", front of box 2.5" from rail, rear of box at 1"
Rears at 8.5", front of box at 3.5", rear of box at 1.75"
The root is the thruster set up it is wise to put the fifth box in maybe a small fins unlimited.
Fin cants? For us “oldpharts” fronts 5 degree rears @3 degrees.
Note on my SB’s me’s movin’ the rears closer together to produce a feel more like the truster.
Aloha
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
Thanks Matty I absorbed a bit of this, and some of it went over my head :-)
I posted the question on the General Discussion forum to pursue further, now that I'm at the point I need to make some definite decisions.
Yeah I'll try to get some pics up later but I brush painted the picture right onto the raw foam. First time I ever tried that. And first real resin swirl too.
the thruster revolution passed me by during all those years I wasn't surfing. I started with singles and was riding twins when I quit, since coming back its been mostly singles. Tom mahady's sent me his lineup killer template which I modified, but still pretty close, and he goes quad but farther off the rail on the rears. I think I'll go with your numbers and add the 5th plug for a thruster setup as an option.
my 2nd go round with making boards transitioned from single fin to twins and I had a freakin' blast doin' em from the HB ripper to the Zuma tube rider. Once Simon Anderson (God bless) came on me was piss'd! Used my twin set up only added the Velzy "V" fin made it early 81 last one till 5 years ago. Rode it up and down Cali, Oahu and Maui great board! Rode a bunch of "others" thrusters but didn't pay much attention.
BTW, I do have a few "notes" regarding "quads" as these days pirates are know as researchers!
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
wow!
We gota go surf soon, just the mention of "twin fin" just brings back such good memories....
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
lets - I'll text you.
gotta get some pics of my latest, but I want to put the pinlines on first
Finally got the "Faux" boards handled, fired up the new Skil wanted to go back to the Hitachi stuck with with the Skil first blank was "green" cuz me was cutting deep had to slow way down 2nd blank was blue and faster loving the planner now buddy!
Did 3 over the week end long board done about an hour ago...
Eh you one artista
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
I would love to see pics of the faux finish boards!
hard to tell much from that photo - what did you shape? Three in a weekend is pretty good. Do you glass them yourself too? I just assumed you did since you were talking about glassing with other fabrics.
Any waves in your direction? Caught a few at l.a. north county lately, nothing significant 'tho. Was gonna shoot for a meet up on Friday but doesn't look like it now, maybe next week. I did a weird leash attachment on my 8 footer, just got a wild hair, left the stringer proud in the tail and gonna attach my leash to it. Being fat (thick) board with a wood tail it looks like a little boat, I'm calling it the banana boat.
Fat Thick Boards rule!
Gotta see the inventive leash plug sounds out there enought for me to dig.
Don't know if you have seen the "Chumash collection" 1st pix. they just need polishing.
The next batch are faux balsa and they are on the back burner till I get caught up (if ever).
in the pix prior bottom LB 8'-8" a knockoff of my favorite (by C. McCrystal) only Quad and glad me took those photo's cuz in my haste I lost my dots!
upper rack top dbl wing "fang" (strange swallow) very simple flat to vee.
The other two are the John Kelley "scorpion tails" that are close to being done. Some of the most "out there" boards I've done in a very long time if ever.
I'm, taking shots as I progress on all and like "Tharkill" I'm posting (oh yeah I do my own laminations and fins) after they are finished> I got a feeling if I want to see "Birds board" I'll be drivin' to Del Mar...
Stay wet my friends.
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
The "wood" boards are beautiful! The boards you shaped are interesting, I'm not familiar with the shaper you mention, but the tail looks like it has a serious step in it, does that loosen it up? Looking forward to pics when they're completed! The colored foam by the stringer, is that something special you ordered?
If you drive to del mar, take your camera! LOL.
yeah that's the first of 5 only the only US blank. My friends from Hawaii started with this concept for knee boards and I told em last summer the blanks would be trouble (width) and I recieved 3 blanks from Millenium and told 'em we needed more width and why not go with the 8-2 like yours only extra thick with 2 -1/2" black foam inserts (at least that was my spec) the trouble was with 7" of rocker the high density foam came up about 3/8" short on the bottom. Wade and my buds did this as I had it all set up with Steve. So I turned into "Steiner" (trouble with the blanks).
I went ahead and accepted it, Wade owe's me and hey gave that 90's C St board to Steve, funny as I was leaving Steve grabed it as I was hoisting the custom blank and I said what? That's yours, oh the look on his face HA...
So anyway I got one Scorpion tail waiting and another blank on order at Millenium with a 11/2" balsa to get the width (24 1/2")
Some fun hugh...
John Kelley RIP an early North Shore big wave rider/shaper patented the Hydro photo is one of John's
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His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
Eh anybody following (Huck?)
If this is, as SammyA said "the kids table" Ha just a good way to avoid unnecessary criticism prior to posting "a build tread".
Got "boys” board to hot coat last night.
"Boy" did cut laps not a too bad but he already had pissed me off so it will be quad only! Ha!!!
Here's some shot's, 4 bottom w/ 1/2" Vector net 227 E glass 4/4/6 deck, red foam and tail flip so "Boy" can land revert, ah excuse the mess ,not like I got nothing waiting and a new blank shows up this afternoon, just couldn't leave it alone! Nice 1" Balsa!
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Looking awesome Matty, the boy is a bit of a ripper, good test pilot! I haven't delved into the fabrics yet, so its over my head to comment on, but looks nice, as do all your boards. Thanks for posting!