Greetings, i recently had the opportunity to jump ship to cnc, but i chose not to. My reasons are as follows: a. I'm not a production shaper b. I don't sell enough boards c. I enjoy "tooling" and shaping pieces of foam as if sculping a fine piece of Art. Anyone want to join me in the fight to keep hand shaping alive? Pls no hating involved, ok? Keep civil. Please describe WHY you love hand shaping, also WHY you DON'T want to jump ship to cnc. Do you like planing techniques, experimenting, or? Anyone want to jump ship back into hand shaping?! Let me know i'll put you on the list! ty-Jim note: if you have a job in the industry and you have to use cnc cuts - do what you must. This is just for anyone who wants to stick w hand shaping. Planers: whatever works. 1.Shapaholic -Jim 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13.
Just a random beginner backyard shaper now but I bought my "shaper made" board to local shapers back when I lived in Reunion island (especially Mick Asprey from "Mickery Rat"):
- because as you said a handmade surfboard is a unique piece of art
- talking with the shaper about how you ride, what tricks you like, what kind of waves, what your level is, etc. to define the board dimensions and shape is magic
- Even is it's not necesseraly true, the shift from "planer-made" to "CNC-made" is IMO a big step closer to "It's my design but glassed by chinese people"
My first experience as a shaper won't produce the magic board but I think it's ll be a rideable and enjoyable one. On the contrary, the one I buy from Mick is extraordinary for me and when I came back from a pure session riding it, I got tons of sparkling stars in my eyes.
Now that I can't surf it anymore because there's no waves around me, just looking at it in the surf rack make me feel good.
I don't think a CNC-made board, even if it was a perfect copy of it, would produce such feelings.
Biting my tongue. It aint easy. Ah screw it.
So after what, board #3, you nearly jumped ship to CNC.....the evil machine.....but then decided not to because you're a purist now. You saw the light. Now you want to create a mutual admiration society for those who share your pure artistic vision.
I'm gonna be brutally honest with ya shapa. You've posted pictures of your couple of creations.....enough so that I'm going to wholeheartedly encourage you to seek out someone with a CNC machine and have them machine cut your blanks for you.
I tried guys, I really really tried.
I doubt a machine would work for you anyway...
Don't put me on Da list I just scrub the CNC marks out.
I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
Does this new club have a secret hand shake yet?
Quickest , most efficient and sucessful way to learn shapes is on the machine .
And most machine operators will guide you .
Few will run away from that .
Jim as all know is super excited about this shaping thing and hopefully will see how the machine could be a very good friend aiding his learning process . :-)
The only reason I don't send a file to a CNC to get cut is because I'm fairly certain my CAD files suck way too hard to get a clean cut. My handshaping skills aren't much better but I have the advantage of only embarrassing myself when I do it inhouse; whereas taking it to a 3rd party to be cut would expose me to the humiliation of someone else seeing my suckiness.
ehhhh, Check out Global Surf Industries. They make all the plain white boards you see in shops that look decent at first, but fall apart after a few sessions. They produce many different labels and put the tiniest "made in China" sticker on them which can be peeled off after the boards go through customs. They use shit materials and have kids and women doing the labor, not surfers. They work in countries where the importance of being somewhat environmentally conscience is out-weighed by the quest for higher profit margins. Then they sell all their overstock to shops at the end of the season for a price no local board builders can compete with. They are the enemy!
You want to start a board company. You go to their website, look at the shapes they offer, pick the ones you like, send them your art and some cash, then a few weeks later, you have a container of boards showing up. You bought in bulk and got a ridiculous deal on the boards, now you can sell them for next to nothing to an unknowing customer or someone who doesn't care where or who makes their surfboard.
"America was built by men in denim and is being destroyed by men in suits."
Plenty of operations here at home and on both coasts where you can do the same thing. All you need is a logo for them to slap on the boards they sell you.....heck they would probably design the logos for you. Get a heck of a discount if you order 20 or more.
You don't sell enough boards?????!!!!!! No buddy, you don't sell any. Hey, perhaps you could create an alter ego login or two to pose as satisfied customers. Heck they could even join your super duper shapa club.
Opportunity? Are you fucking kidding me? Opportunity "a set of circumstances that makes it possible to do something" Opportunity is generally more referenced when something out of the ordinary presents itself to allow you to do something that you wouldnt normally have the chance.
There is no "Opportunity" to use a machine, they are a service, available to anyone, anywhere at anytime. You can just as easily get a board cut as you can walk into a 7-11 and buy a Rockstar. I buy a Rockstar every morning, its not a special opportunity I have. Its a product, I want, so i buy it. Its not exclusive to me, I didnt get some magic code from Rockstar that only allows me and select energy drink likers a unique chance to put a shitty product into our bodies. Anyone can do it, from me, to Jorge the gardner, to Tom the Manager at Skechers or whomever else wants one. Coincidently with a laptop and half a brain, they can also drink those Rockstars while playing on Shape3d or AKU and send me a file to cut a blank that i will sell them all day long because there is no exclusivity or Opportunity to it. You send me an email with a file, I cut it end of story, I dont care who you are as long as you pay my fees. Its business. thats how it works for myself and everyone else running cuts I know from So-cal, to SC to the east coast, to Australia etc etc etc.
"Get out of the library and into the lab"
What does it matter who i am? There is no hate I just don't get all the garbage you post. I'm sorry if that offends.
Has Claysurf2014 joined the club yet?
Is Zourite another incarnation of Shapa and Claysurf?
You're right. I'm not a professional. I'm just a hobby-ist making boards for the 4 surfers in my house and a couple friends. Been at it since the late 80s. You won't find me starting threads making myself out to be something I'm not or speaking of an oportunity I decided against to remain pure to my roots or any horseshit like that. You won't find me proclaiming I don't sell enough boards as if I sell a bunch just not enough to go the CNC route. You won't find me proclaiming the virtues of a tool I've only used once either.
Do you ever wonder why almost every thread you start or touch ends up in "Errors and Bugs"?
No hate here. Humor yes. Hate no. Thank's for the laughs.
Please take me off the list.
For about $30 plus the cost of the blank you can be well on your way to a quality board if you have a machine cut it. You should try it.
What the fuck I'm going to jump in here.
1. Shappa seek help.
2 FO4TB and Mako224 you both have my respect because I like your work, BUT Chill and Shappa get lost.
This tread is nothing more than a great dis service to Greg Loehr selfishly manning the "Hot seat".
We really need more willing Pro's. So keep it in The "Bugs club"
Little kids brawling. Once this gets locked you can go to Shappa's glassing and war on.
You got your rights this is the "sin bin"
I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.