and Just for fun.....Who invented what? I say tow surfing did not come from Laird and crew.....watch this one....I'l be back at the lunny farm for a while..............
alright..... I luv that last one wit Gerry & Herbie talking story 'bout da kine good ole dayz. Shit, even the Japanese subtitles are cool!
....my advice: jes' be careful what logo you put on your surf vehicle, it might cost you $ or land you in court...... there'z a lotta no bodies out there laying claim to big ideas.
Mahalo for sharing, ono ono ono, shaka and Peace brah.
I don't have as much free time as I wish I had......surf when you can is my moto........Can't copywrite my name or logo........Lots of Stingray's out there. Just had a stressed out day at work and the crazy stuff on Youtube made me laugh.....guys getting silly with soft boards in the shore break made my day!........Ray
Copyrights aren't really what you need for surfboard logos. Trademarks are more appropriate, but a friend in the know told me nowadays trademarks are pretty much useless.
I kinda see this as what happens everyday in business. Some guy sees someone making some money doing something that looks like a fun or easy way to make money. They learn how to do it and try to cash in, hopefully attracting some of the would be customers of the person they initially saw. Usually it's by under cutting the market rates. Bro deals as some would say. Doesn't bother me because I don't sell boards, but if the money I depend on were from making boards, I might get upset when I start losing sales. No one cares until the shit hits them.
Swaylocks has launched the careers of a bunch of new board builders, and some of them have gotten really good really quick. Not sure if any of them are making a living off it, but they are financing their hobby.
No one cares until the shit hits them.
......... boy, you sure got that right. Everyone's pure until push comes to shove....... I could tell ya stories.
How much is that Peace sign?
...I do not know shit about this thing but reading a bit the thread, seems that the original idea of the poster could be comment on a fact that any can talk with shaper colleagues around a table...you know, here s Swaylocks; most hand shapers, boarbuilders; backyarders, rookies...but somehow it derailed and went for other interpretation.
-regarding ideas; you have there Futures; and Fcs plugs; owning the surf fin market and they do not have the best product; but they started first (not talking about FU, etc) and had bunch o money to promote their stuff...done.
Reef; the brothers had the surf market in their hands for years, then sold the brand to the Jews,,,that s all; but they did the right move (but with 1.5 million Dollars) in the past when they decided to move to USA (do not know how they dealt with the legal issues about living in California)
If they stayed in Mar del Plata; they never ever had made it...as, Sharkcountry says about guys here that lunched their careers...all from California (we talked about that, DS)
Reverb - the original thread has been edited by the guy who posted it, but it basically said he was in a food & drink establishment near Mavericks, with a myriad of big wave guns around, and a professional big-wave surfer (who is starting a business marketing big wave guns) was going through and measuring the boards with a tape measure... the poster felt the pro surfer would use this information in creating computer files for his new business venture, and told him he disagreed with him, and especially objected when the surfing pro picked up one of his shapes to measure.
The original poster didn't give his real name, like most of us here he has a swaylocks handle. But one of the posters, who does use his real name, and is known also to be a big-wave surfer from the same area, verified that this is what is happening. Even said he was so disgusted that he quit shaping for awhile, but now decided no hate, people are gonna do what they're gonna do, and is back shaping again.
No one is saying any laws were broken. And I could see an argument being made that if you are going to sell big wave guns, you should be paying attention and taking measurements of successful shapes, whenever possible. And remember, this is being done by a guy who surfs the big waves himself.
I have mixed feelings about it. I don't think its wrong to take measurements and pay attention when you find a board that works well in the intended conditions. And I don't think you could make an exact duplicate with just a tape measure anyway. As far as I can tell, when you make a surfboard and put it out in the public, people can see it and measure it, there's no way to prevent it. In fact, its part of what makes for design progress - shapers borrowing, copying, improving, modifying, tweaking what others before them have done. But I'm a backyarder, not a professional.
The objections of the original poster seemed to be more along the lines of here's a non-shaper starting a business selling computer cut surfboards, without any pay back to the shapers who actually did the hard yards developing these refined shapes. But again, its not illegal, and the shapes are not intellectual property protected by law, they are in the public domain, so far as I can tell. And I don't think the boards being sold are exact replicas of other shapers' work, only they are going to be influenced by and based upon the work the other shapers have done. I also get the impression that there are legitimate hand shapers with a lot of experience who are affiliated with the business venture too.
I had more objections to the business model of the guy who posted here saying send us your computer files for free sharing with others, but he was building a business using those files to machine boards on demand as people could order them from his website. Although, again, I don't think any laws were being broken. But it just seemed like a greasy scheme, to me. I have been enjoying hearing what others think about the whole thing, its a complex world out there!
...hello Huck, I read the original comment and I had be pissed the same that this guy if some folk comes and takes bunch or measurements of those boards (possibly some shaped by the poster) and then put a business with a machine! Is not about the measurements; it s about the labor; whatever fucker without any skills can rip a life of compromise and building career and send it to a machine and start a business¿? how s that? Again, Im not talking about to trying to get down other person business; but that s wrong; plain wrong; again, is not some taking measurements to try to shape a similar board, because he tested it and see that s magic, etc; this is taking measurements here and there and possibly in several places then WITHOUT any sweat or know the labor, with the best face, goes to a machine, put enough money; let boards in hands of great surfers and makes a brand...
Ok, I get that this is the new order; all instantly; just add water; never sweat for anything, but says that you shaped 30000 boards and on and on.
Its really pathetic and Im putting my words here that Im not a favor of that; who am I? a not important guy in this context but I m not lurking here hiding what really feel; or trying to pass like a great bona fide shaper that prefer to not expose his ideas.
This type of business is not the best way we have to deal with the future of this industry.
Almost 30 years working and still surviving in this field.