Shaping a basic surfboard...

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Folk's - i think too many beginning and novice Shapers get way too advanced in design concepts before they even know the fundamental routines. It happens. But it's really the WRONG path to take. What we need to understand is that a good basic surfboard ISN'T complex design wise. It really isn't. It's not the latest five finned dub winged whatever! So what is a basic surfboard? Can you define that?Or can you describe how to construct a basic surfboard step-by-step? if the answer is NO- then you really don't know what you're doing.I'd say a good solid surfboard for a basic surfboard build might be a single fin egg shape and knowing how to build it right. So what are the basics? I'll leave it here for you to answer. Does anyone else agree- that the current hype of hi- performance surfboard Shaping beginners are attempting to do --isn't teaching you --the fundamentals of building a rock solid surfboard? I think not. Beginning shapers r trying to build hi tech psb that they don't really understand. Fyi - the basics are thing's like: drawing up blank properly, skinning the blank, foiling it, thinning or foiling the bottom, adding nose/tail rocker if needed, using the correct blank, knowing how to use the basic tools of the trade, knowing how to do rail bands etc...Just saying. (A msg for -Huck) I disagree. If one doesn't know how to setup his blank, setup rail bands, or properly use power tools and machinery - he's prob gonna end up with a dog. Even if you just sat in and watched one pro shaping a good board - you would aquire enough basic info to start. Without the fundamentals of how, why, and where certain parts of the puzzle go- you are lost. Think about it. Could a guy figure it all out w out ever seeing what the pro's do? How would they have any guidelines to work from? I mean, we have rocker, wp, apex etc., we can't - just bevel a rail and call it done, right? There's a certain way they are shaped. Think about it. Let's say a amateur just bevels the rails the same - the whole way! That ain't how it's done -period. I geuss what's prob goin on- is folk's on swayz are just taking bits of the puzzle and thinking they know what they are doing. But i can say for sure - if they "sat in" w real pro's Shaping you can learn the right way. I think you should try it. i am pretty sure if you do this, you'll come back and say- Jim was right! I don't care what anyone thinks about me. I believe in what I'm doing. And i don't care about praise from amateurs. I do surf and have fun. But i want to put under my feet something i can depend on. That's WHY i decided to take Shaping lessons from a pro. And believe me, i wish i did this a LOT sooner! What you might consider doing : Go and visit the surfboard manufacturers in your area. Ask if you could sweep, or let them know you want to learn this Art. or just take shaping lessons! Someone will take you up - if you're serious. Or you can swing their rates for lessons. Want to know what i LEARNED in two lessons? How to properly address the blank, how to draw it up, how to skin the deck w proper angle... how to dome a deck, how to clean it all up...how to plane outline, how to properly sand w block, how to cut in tail rocker! How to cut in nose rocker, how to add extra nose or tail kick! How to use otf cuts foiling, cutting concaves, rocker, doing rails, and even doing a traditional hull bottom w concave vee! Would i learn that here? No. And get this, i CAN actually do it all!!!! Or, all that i was taught so far. :-) sorry i don't have software to size my pics. But look at this board i Shaped! It's a beauty! 5'11" x 21" x 2 5/8" thick Felix tail. I also put a flat bottom, added tail and nose rocker, panel vee and it's totally symetrical. Let's see - Finsoutfortheboys, mako, or mattwho- make something like this! My deck isn't just flat or just domed- that isn't shit......i foiled mine!;)i bet if i asked ANY of them how they would go about foiling a deck - they wouldn't know the first thing about it. Seriously -they don't. And now they want to "compete???" Like they are that good? : what if sum top pro's come in? Could they rival the experts? I think they are dreaming man. They really need to lose the competition thing until they actually know what they are doing first. So what they can glass a board. That anyone can do w proper knowledge and skills. I'm talking about Shaping a "basic surfboard."And I'm pretty sure - they really don't know how to do that yet. If they did, they wouldn't have to justify themselves and want to belong so bad. Plus they wouldn't be jealous of the experts in here - that would beat them on all levels.;) Heck, I've already got mine shaped. Yeah, Livethemoment... yeah, can you find Timbuktu w out a map to? No offense but but peeps need viable guidelines to build a proper board. One needs the solid basics that work vs are Maybe might work, could work well? Build whatever! ? Why not surf a glassed blank w out anything done to it. Thanks but no thanks. I'll keep taking lessons and learn the proper techniques to build practical surfboards -- that work! :-) Do you know what i think you'll end up with if you follow- Huck's advice? You'll have whatever knowledge he picked up here on swaylocks! And that might be partial tidbits of the WRONG info.......and lets face it. If you guy's felt you knew so much WHY do you even need swayZ anyhow? You all obviously need a crutch site to give you tips, right? Face the FACTS, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. whatever. Build whatever the heck YOU want. But it is probably not any BALONEY i would want to know about.:-) there are such things as proper basics of surfboard design. But you guy's will never know until you actually learn it. It's like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Do you know what i think? I think just buying and shaping it w out the right info - is a waste of a blank. It may or may not work as planned. Wouldn't you rather build something you feel confident about? ?? Ban me, hate on me, i don't give a rats ass! I don't need this website w it's point system anyhow. I really don't. Nothing personal, but Huck you really don't know what your doing, right? You are building whatever - you are NOT sure of yourself. If you were - i can guarantee you wouldn't be here on swaylocks trying to learn a damn thing. What you need is the BASICS. Jot that down. Once you understand the fundamentals, or " the basics " you can break the rules. I'm just telling you the truth vs flowery bs that isn't proven. You should consider learning the basics. I will say no more. One last thing: resinbutt - it's not how many boards you make. What if you built 10,000 boards the wrong way? That's INSANITY. I'll just stick to my own plans and not help any peeps who r bigheads. Never did i say i was an expert did i? But let's face it! My boards look a lot better than what these guy's are doin.................look at it. You guy's just don't want to believe it. I have my basics in my grasp, do you? Can you tell us in a post how you shape? Pls do post about it.:-) Phebus- howabout describing what you think the steps are it takes to shape a basic surfboard? I don't care about segments you've soaked up. Isn't that funny! Everyone thinks they know how to shape a basic surfboard, but they CAN'T descibe what steps it takes... phebus or resinbutt - could you inform us WHAT STEPS you feel it takes to build a basic functional working board? No put downs - just documented facts. Description pls. Let's here it. Question #1 how do YOU address your blank prior to shaping? Livethemoment - i can agree with you there. Thanks for that. You know what I'm tired of? All of the haters - that talk crap to other's..........if that would STOP, well, there could be mutual respect. Make any sence?- Best to you as well. Mako- how about describing HOW you set up a short board. How would go about it? ok, I'm a potential customer. I want wp back 2", i got a 6'4" blank and i want you to build me a 6' board. I want 4" nose rocker, 1 3/4" tail kick, i want a semi pulled in nose and a moderately widish tail... width 21".Tell me what you would do? Listen: understand the question.i don't want additional tail rocker.' I'm requesting "extra tail kick." Got it? Thanks for taking my bad karma - Gdaddy. But can you answer my question i asked mako ? Funny how NOT ONE of these keyboard gurus actually can describe how to draw up, or setup their blank? Doesn't a Shaper have to sorta know how to set it up? I think so. I really don't give a rats ass how you fellas build one. But man, some fundamentals as basic as it gets, i think, should be known, right? I admit it i didn't know myself the answer to the question. A lot of questions. That's precisely the reason i decided to take Shaping lessons. but be jealous, keep hating, keep being rude....it's your karma. I know exactly WHY you hate on people. You fear the unknown, you fear being nothing, you want acceptance. Case closed. You know what i think? You guy's are just jealous of the guy's who can shape better than you. Mako- I'm just wondering how you as a garage guy setup your blank prior to shaping? I am just seeing if you know what you're doing is all. What are you doing? Are you just randomly aligning your template to the blank, or what? As told we setup our blanks before we shape. Btw -if you plan to compete don't you care about how to draw up your shape before you start shaping?????????? Or are you just goin batty setting stuff up wherever? Maybe it's a serious question to you? Where do you set the THICKNESS for wp? Or do you randomly design whatever is in your head? I'm testing your knowledge man. Can you come up with a answer? I don't care about 1 foot waves you surf, or ten pretty boards that may or may not be setup right. So where exactly are you setting up your blank with your wp and outline of your plan shape? Can you answer the question? If you can't - just say so. This is a serious question, i think. Don't you agree? I wonder if finsout can answer the question?? You know what you prove to me w those one foot waves- nothing! Man, a grandpa can surf bigger waves then that........if you really know something you really should know where to setup WIDE point! F**k this bs.

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Huck's picture
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IMO just build what you like and have fun. Find a way that works for you, and quit worrying about what you think anybody else oughta be doing!

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Joined: 06/27/2014
Well said Huck.
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resinbutt's picture
Joined: 06/17/2013

Shapa,

 a few months ago you proffessized abut how good a shaper you was, but then you come on here and tell otters how bad they shap, now you watch soem one shape a surfboard and you are an expert. so you watch soem one and now you expert, how meny borsd you done so far...you da man, you da expert.  dare are meny ways to shape a surfboard, yours or your expert is not the end of all ways to shape a surfboard.   Dont call out otters about there surfboards, like me daddy said, walk a mile in my shoes. be humble and keep yo mouth shut until you know whet you are talikn about.   We don't need to know about how much you learned in making 2 or 3 surfboards, how you learned how to use the tools, how you learned this of dat. you are narcissisitic....Love you

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phebus's picture
Joined: 08/09/2013

Shapa, you may like listening to your own rants, but I don't think many others on here do.  There is so much useful information, history, and knowledge here.  Please absorb what you are being  given rather then trying to take the stage as the self professed wizard.

I have learned so much here, and thank all those who have shared their knowledge.

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Shapaholic. To be completely fair to you, you do actually make some good points. Like the saying goes - if a jobs worth doing, its worth doing well. I would have progressed faster had I been taught by a pro when I was learning. However at the time I was shaping just for fun, and I enjoyed all the experiences, the good and the mistakes! The journey can be just as fun as the destination. But it's probably not a good idea to think you know everything and everyone else is wrong. It sounds like you have learnt a lot, but its pretty obvious that you need to learn more, and Im not just talking about in surfboard construction terms. Im slightly cringing with the idea thatwhoever kindly let you into their shaping shop could switch on their computer and see your rant, I'm sure that was not in their intentions! Never think you know everything or dismiss other people's efforts, that is just basic respect, and it keeps you more open to further progress as a shaper and a human being. I wish you all the best.
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mako224's picture
Joined: 12/26/2005

"Ban me, hate on me, i don't give a rats ass!"

Quote above from Shapaholic.  Enough said.  Enough already!!!!!  Nobody hates you but many wish you banned.

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gdaddy's picture
Joined: 10/31/2008

I generally ignore anything the OP posts because I've learned his comments have no socially redeeming qualities.  But for some reason this one kinda sets me off.  

I keep thinking of the OP as mildly developmentally disabled and functioning with the equivalency of the 15-yr old brain.  That's 'cause he often acts just like a teenager who thinks everyone else around him is just trying to put him down and control him.   It's not that he's dumb, it's just that he seems to be incapable of accepting the fact that he mostly doesn't know WTF he's talking about.  

I'm not qualified to sweep the floors of some of the board builders he has insulted on this forum, but I know better than to talk shit to the people I should be listening to.  

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No; It's not an ironing board.

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wildy's picture
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There wouldn't be too many guys here, backyard or pro, who made the conscious descision to shape a few hundred (or plenty more!) flat bottom round pin single fins JUST to learn how to do it. And who cares if my first shape is a double twinned, concave, channel, wing fin, reverse hip, blogster.......it's my project and I'll do what I want to....
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Joined: 02/08/2006

The train wreck just keeps going 

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mako224's picture
Joined: 12/26/2005

Guy posts a picture of an un-glassed blank that looks like a complete turd then goes on a rant insulting people.  Sheesh.

Nobody gives a shit how you address a blank, whatever the fark that's supposed to mean.  Call it Mister.  Call it Missus.  Call it Sweetie Pie.  Nobody gives a shit.

Most of us here build boards for smiles; our own and the people who ride them.  It's clear shapa is doing it all wrong.

I'm quite happy to have my finished boards judged by anybody for what they are.  I've never taken a lesson and I've never had anyone do an aspect of the process for me.  What you see is what you get.  Judging by the smiles I've gotten myself from the boardbuilding journey and from the smiles of the people I've made boards for I'd say I've been successful.  I think my finished work and the results of those riding them speaks for itself.  

Shapaholic:  No matter how many lessons you take or whatever incoherant rants you type it's obvious that you're doing it all wrong.  What's more, nobody gives a shit what You think of their work.  Nobody here is seeking Your approval.  You haven't earned the respect needed for anyone to want your approval.  Put up or shut up.

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TaylorO's picture
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on a weird ass thread... 

Dang Shapa, you kinda went off the rails on this one buddy...

What about those of us who build a board from scratch.  From a rectalliniar block of foam...  And there are different approaches to wp/thick relations...

Back to the killer post above...  You outta take that thing and start a stoke for the groms thread!

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This is getting ridiculous shapa! Not cool. Hilarious tho. Calling others out, saying their desperate to belong! Pot,kettle & black...

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"Who art the confidence of all ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea" Slainte mhor agus a h-uile beannachd duibh...

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more meandering gibberish from ADD lad, yet again highlighting that truism 

"there is nothing dumber then someone who doesn't know what they don't know"...

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TLDR

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sgo
Joined: 09/12/2014

My first shaping experience:

for a blank I used a stripped down longboard.

then I did everything wrong!

the plan shape was crapp, the rails were crapp, can't remember what I did for bottom curve if anything.

then it came time to glass, the resin didn't go off, I left it so long most of it ran off onto the floor. Made a ply fin, covered it with glass and glassed it on.

Really excited taking it for the first surf, got a good comment as I headed into the water, caught my first wave, thought it felt a bit funny, the fin had broken off!

This was in the late sixties. Now I can build a board that works and the fins don't fall off.

Moral: learn what you can then start shaping, you'll only get better and have fun riding your own boards :)

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Hows many more times yous gonna edit this rant..evrytime i read it it changes. make up your mind? you were bagging on people then you reright it to take tey teeth out.  So atleast yew has a self edit buttom on the shapaholic, thats good.  MEbe you could eat a big piece of humble pice and take a chill pill...chilaxin whit the shappa, breeth deep.  I know lots about surfboards, I know they float, and I can surf. what more do you need to know?

 u asked me how I address a blank? immore formal then most i adress my blanks by miss or mr.

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mako224's picture
Joined: 12/26/2005

I'm embarrassed for whoever is giving Shapaholic shapping lessons.

Shappa:  Take a look at all those pictures above.  Every one of those boards you see was shaped, painted, glassed, sanded, polished......the whole kit & kaboodle by me.  If you'd like I could flood the thread with many more pictures going back over the past 25 years.  Nobody held my hand.  Nobody glassed my boards for me.  All self taught long before the internet came along.  I don't claim to be anything other than a backyarder.  I have a heck of a lot of fun at it.  The boards I've made speak for themselves.

Why are you so threatened by and why do you spend so much time dwelling on what other people are doing or how they do it?

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mako224's picture
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Even 20+ years and 10 pounds ago I was just a back yarder having a blast making boards.  1994.

Board #1 from 1988.  Even back then color was the thing I struggled with the most.  No internet.  No lessons.  You know what the hardest thing back then was about making a surfboard?  Simply getting your hands on Clark Foam and Silmar resin!!!!  Even way back then 100% my work no matter how bad the paint looks.

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Mako, the top picture of your kid and his new board is the best of all!
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everysurfer wrote:
Mako, the top picture of your kid and his new board is the best of all!

Thanks!!!  That's what its all about for me these days.  That's my youngest.  So kool watching these kids progress riding the boards I build.  My oldest surfed his way to being ranked #2 in Jr Mens in our region last season riding boards I made for him.  Face it, I'm in the water every chance I get but I'm getting up there and the knees, hips & shoulders don't always want me out there.  I'm still surfing every chance I get and making boards because of these boys.  

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Hey Mako244,

You’re in the dungeon now.

The bottom feeders turf.

Could not help but notice the kids!

I’m Grampa now, started “Boy” @ 4 and he just had a 2nd child on the 16th baby Hana.
Can I brag? Boys 4 Girls 4 future test riders!

Sent this to Boy too cool!

Eh, Thanks (Wil-Kro) I’ll never forget you

Mahalo Nui Loa

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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.

www.mattysurfboards.com

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Joined: 02/21/2009

mattwho wrote:

Hey Mako244,

You’re in the dungeon now.

The bottom feeders turf.

Could not help but notice the kids!

I’m Grampa now, started “Boy” @ 4 and he just had a 2nd child on the 16th baby Hana.
Can I brag? Boys 4 Girls 4 future test riders!

Sent this to Boy too cool!

Eh, Thanks (Wil-Kro) I’ll never forget you

Mahalo Nui Loa

Congrats Matty!

Grandkids are the best!

Can't wait to surf with my two grandsons!

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Barry Snyder

Surfboards made by hand. Not machine.

http://barrysnyderdesigns.com

Instagram @barrysnyderdesigns

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BarrySnyder wrote:

mattwho wrote:

Hey Mako244,

You’re in the dungeon now.

The bottom feeders turf.

Could not help but notice the kids!

I’m Grampa now, started “Boy” @ 4 and he just had a 2nd child on the 16th baby Hana.
Can I brag? Boys 4 Girls 4 future test riders!

Sent this to Boy too cool!

Eh, Thanks (Wil-Kro) I’ll never forget you

Mahalo Nui Loa

Congrats Matty!

Grandkids are the best!

Can't wait to surf with my two grandsons!

"Boy's,  boy Asher (5) and Hana.

Just diggin' it!

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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.

www.mattysurfboards.com

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Joined: 12/26/2005

Hey Shappa,

Why did ya take down your picture of that turd?  In one of your edits of the original post you called me out and asked me to post pictures of something rivaling the magic turd.  I obliged and posted a bunch of completed boards and ride shots.  Then you edit the post and take down the picture of the Magic Turd.  What gives????

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mako224 wrote:
  Then you edit the post and take down the picture of the Magic Turd. 
The BEST humor, is always founded in truth.     MAGIC TURD,  wish I'd said that.       Funny, accurate, and honest, all rolled into one!     Kudos, Mako, kudos.

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thrailkill wrote:

mako224 wrote:
  Then you edit the post and take down the picture of the Magic Turd. 
The BEST humor, is always founded in truth.     MAGIC TURD,  wish I'd said that.       Funny, accurate, and honest, all rolled into one!     Kudos, Mako, kudos.

All boards these days have to have a catchy model name.  ;^}

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mako224's picture
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I can't help but wonder if its the shaper giving Shapaholic lessons that's filling his head with the crap he's spewing here.  Kind of like when a 10 year old spouts off in public something his parents said privately in front of him turning his parents redfaced.

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Man, I've heard of jumping the shark but, poor shappa has managed to crash-land and mangle himself.

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mako224's picture
Joined: 12/26/2005

Folk's - i think too many beginning and novice Shapers get way too advanced in design concepts before they even know the fundamental routines. It happens. But it's really the WRONG path to take. What we need to understand is that a good basic surfboard ISN'T complex design wise. It really isn't. It's not the latest five finned dub winged whatever! So what is a basic surfboard? Can you define that?Or can you describe how to construct a basic surfboard step-by-step? if the answer is NO- then you really don't know what you're doing.I'd say a good solid surfboard for a basic surfboard build might be a single fin egg shape and knowing how to build it right. So what are the basics? I'll leave it here for you to answer. Does anyone else agree- that the current hype of hi- performance surfboard Shaping beginners are attempting to do --isn't teaching you --the fundamentals of building a rock solid surfboard? I think not. Beginning shapers r trying to build hi tech psb that they don't really understand. Fyi - the basics are thing's like: drawing up blank properly, skinning the blank, foiling it, thinning or foiling the bottom, adding nose/tail rocker if needed, using the correct blank, knowing how to use the basic tools of the trade, knowing how to do rail bands etc...Just saying. (A msg for -Huck) I disagree. If one doesn't know how to setup his blank, setup rail bands, or properly use power tools and machinery - he's prob gonna end up with a dog. Even if you just sat in and watched one pro shaping a good board - you would aquire enough basic info to start. Without the fundamentals of how, why, and where certain parts of the puzzle go- you are lost. Think about it. Could a guy figure it all out w out ever seeing what the pro's do? How would they have any guidelines to work from? I mean, we have rocker, wp, apex etc., we can't - just bevel a rail and call it done, right? There's a certain way they are shaped. Think about it. Let's say a amateur just bevels the rails the same - the whole way! That ain't how it's done -period. I geuss what's prob goin on- is folk's on swayz are just taking bits of the puzzle and thinking they know what they are doing. But i can say for sure - if they "sat in" w real pro's Shaping you can learn the right way. I think you should try it. i am pretty sure if you do this, you'll come back and say- Jim was right! I don't care what anyone thinks about me. I believe in what I'm doing. And i don't care about praise from amateurs. I do surf and have fun. But i want to put under my feet something i can depend on. That's WHY i decided to take Shaping lessons from a pro. And believe me, i wish i did this a LOT sooner! What you might consider doing : Go and visit the surfboard manufacturers in your area. Ask if you could sweep, or let them know you want to learn this Art. or just take shaping lessons! Someone will take you up - if you're serious. Or you can swing their rates for lessons. Want to know what i LEARNED in two lessons? How to properly address the blank, how to draw it up, how to skin the deck w proper angle... how to dome a deck, how to clean it all up...how to plane outline, how to properly sand w block, how to cut in tail rocker! How to cut in nose rocker, how to add extra nose or tail kick! How to use otf cuts foiling, cutting concaves, rocker, doing rails, and even doing a traditional hull bottom w concave vee! Would i learn that here? No. And get this, i CAN actually do it all!!!! Or, all that i was taught so far. :-) sorry i don't have software to size my pics. But look at this board i Shaped! It's a beauty! 5'11" x 21" x 2 5/8" thick Felix tail. I also put a flat bottom, added tail and nose rocker, panel vee and it's totally symetrical. Let's see - Finsoutfortheboys, mako, or mattwho- make something like this! My deck isn't just flat or just domed- that isn't shit......i foiled mine!;)i bet if i asked ANY of them how they would go about foiling a deck - they wouldn't know the first thing about it. Seriously -they don't. And now they want to "compete???" Like they are that good? : what if sum top pro's come in? Could they rival the experts? I think they are dreaming man. They really need to lose the competition thing until they actually know what they are doing first. So what they can glass a board. That anyone can do w proper knowledge and skills. I'm talking about Shaping a "basic surfboard."And I'm pretty sure - they really don't know how to do that yet. If they did, they wouldn't have to justify themselves and want to belong so bad. Plus they wouldn't be jealous of the experts in here - that would beat them on all levels.;) Heck, I've already got mine shaped. Yeah, Livethemoment... yeah, can you find Timbuktu w out a map to? No offense but but peeps need viable guidelines to build a proper board. One needs the solid basics that work vs are Maybe might work, could work well? Build whatever! ? Why not surf a glassed blank w out anything done to it. Thanks but no thanks. I'll keep taking lessons and learn the proper techniques to build practical surfboards -- that work! :-) Do you know what i think you'll end up with if you follow- Huck's advice? You'll have whatever knowledge he picked up here on swaylocks! And that might be partial tidbits of the WRONG info.......and lets face it. If you guy's felt you knew so much WHY do you even need swayZ anyhow? You all obviously need a crutch site to give you tips, right? Face the FACTS, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. whatever. Build whatever the heck YOU want. But it is probably not any BALONEY i would want to know about.:-) there are such things as proper basics of surfboard design. But you guy's will never know until you actually learn it. It's like you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. Do you know what i think? I think just buying and shaping it w out the right info - is a waste of a blank. It may or may not work as planned. Wouldn't you rather build something you feel confident about? ?? Ban me, hate on me, i don't give a rats ass! I don't need this website w it's point system anyhow. I really don't. Nothing personal, but Huck you really don't know what your doing, right? You are building whatever - you are NOT sure of yourself. If you were - i can guarantee you wouldn't be here on swaylocks trying to learn a damn thing. What you need is the BASICS. Jot that down. Once you understand the fundamentals, or " the basics " you can break the rules. I'm just telling you the truth vs flowery bs that isn't proven. You should consider learning the basics. I will say no more. One last thing: resinbutt - it's not how many boards you make. What if you built 10,000 boards the wrong way? That's INSANITY. I'll just stick to my own plans and not help any peeps who r bigheads. Never did i say i was an expert did i? But let's face it! My boards look a lot better than what these guy's are doin.................look at it. You guy's just don't want to believe it. I have my basics in my grasp, do you? Can you tell us in a post how you shape? Pls do post about it.:-) Phebus- howabout describing what you think the steps are it takes to shape a basic surfboard? I don't care about segments you've soaked up. Isn't that funny! Everyone thinks they know how to shape a basic surfboard, but they CAN'T descibe what steps it takes... phebus or resinbutt - could you inform us WHAT STEPS you feel it takes to build a basic functional working board? No put downs - just documented facts. Description pls. Let's here it. Question #1 how do YOU address your blank prior to shaping? Livethemoment - i can agree with you there. Thanks for that. You know what I'm tired of? All of the haters - that talk crap to other's..........if that would STOP, well, there could be mutual respect. Make any sence?- Best to you as well. Mako- how about describing HOW you set up a short board. How would go about it? ok, I'm a potential customer. I want wp back 2", i got a 6'4" blank and i want you to build me a 6' board. I want 4" nose rocker, 1 3/4" tail kick, i want a semi pulled in nose and a moderately widish tail... width 21".Tell me what you would do? Listen: understand the question.i don't want additional tail rocker.' I'm requesting "extra tail kick." Got it? Thanks for taking my bad karma - Gdaddy. But can you answer my question i asked mako ? Funny how NOT ONE of these keyboard gurus actually can describe how to draw up, or setup their blank? Doesn't a Shaper have to sorta know how to set it up? I think so. I really don't give a rats ass how you fellas build one. But man, some fundamentals as basic as it gets, i think, should be known, right? I admit it i didn't know myself the answer to the question. A lot of questions. That's precisely the reason i decided to take Shaping lessons. but be jealous, keep hating, keep being rude....it's your karma. I know exactly WHY you hate on people. You fear the unknown, you fear being nothing, you want acceptance. Case closed. You know what i think? You guy's are just jealous of the guy's who can shape better than you.

Mako- I'm just wondering how you as a garage guy setup your blank prior to shaping? I am just seeing if you know what you're doing is all. What are you doing? Are you just randomly aligning your template to the blank, or what? As told we setup our blanks before we shape. Btw -if you plan to compete don't you care about how to draw up your shape before you start shaping?????????? Or are you just goin batty setting stuff up wherever? Maybe it's a serious question to you? Where do you set the THICKNESS for wp? Or do you randomly design whatever is in your head? I'm testing your knowledge man. Can you come up with a answer? I don't care about 1 foot waves you surf, or ten pretty boards that may or may not be setup right. So where exactly are you setting up your blank with your wp and outline of your plan shape? Can you answer the question? If you can't - just say so. This is a serious question, i think. Don't you agree? I wonder if finsout can answer the question??

You know what you prove to me w those one foot waves- nothing! Man, a grandpa can surf bigger waves then that........if you really know something you really should know where to setup WIDE point! F**k this bs.

Quoted the original post so as to preserve the ramblings of the genious from further edits and deletions. 

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Wow, Mako - great photos, great boards, and great looking kids!

Matty - you too, and thanks for the Cory Lopez video, love the smile on that little girl's face.

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Huck wrote:

Wow, Mako - great photos, great boards, and great looking kids!

Matty - you too, and thanks for the Cory Lopez video, love the smile on that little girl's face.

Ignoring the OP and the crap here in.

A silk purse from a sow’s ear.

Kids!

Our future, both surfing and the art of hand building surfboards.

“Boy” can shape well,  he just lacks confidence and more boards under his belt.

I pray that I am around to teach any of my Grandkids who seek this art.

 Boy or girl. 

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Even though alot of what you say is true, as far as the whole "knowing basics" and prepping a blank thing. Foundation is a good practice in any trade skill. "You cant learn a kickflip on a skateboard w/o first learning an ollie) But as an engineer I also know that "theres more than one way to skin a cat" and in college I learned 5 ways to do everything. None were right or wrong, all that mattered is the result. After that it was all preference and what worked best for you. In surfboard building a mentor is a great thing to have, but I'm a very "hands on" type of person. I can question and watch (and have) a shaper shape a dozen boards, but I truely learn by doing it myself, and each one I've done has been better than the one before.As far as ripping on inovative performance shortboards, well I imagine that the ppl you name dropped built those types of boards b/c thats what they ride. Flatter, longer single fin type boards are fun when its ankle high, but when there's actally waves they are wayyy to restrictive to the progressive modern style surfing most ppl (under 55) enjoy. Can you turn a close out section into a sharp cutback pivoting to an air reverse on your "standard surfboard? I think not! But not for nothing my first board I ever built rips. Its a short board w/ 5 fin boxes (so I'm sure you'd hate it, and is it something a "pro" would say is perfect? (rail lines, bottom contours exc.) no, but it rides better than most of the boards I've paid ALOT of money for throughout my life. And at the end of the day (especially when building for yourself and friends) isnt that what matters most? 

 I'm not trying to keep this thread spinning like yarn here but since HUCK took the high road I'm going to have to ride the low one for him for a minute (you're rant was like 4 scrolls long) ppl can argue the "my way is right!" thing forever. What works works! As long as you end up with something functional that you're stoked on. Well thats right as rain to me! My prescription for the "anger blogging" would def be surf more, blog less and take the high line Brah!

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The "Basic Surfboard" in action from just yesterday in some 38* water.

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Cheers for the shoutout Shapatrollic. Im flattered mate.
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You must be doing something right if you're on Shappa's radar.  Can you match the Magic Turd though?  That is the real test.

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Good god man. That was quite a read. You must type fast. There's no way I could type so much and not get tired. Keep taking those lessons, it cant hurt to learn from someone with experience. Over thirty years ago, a popular local shaper let me sit in and watch him when ever I wanted. That's how I learned the basic steps and techniques in the beginning. I made friends with and worked with a number of others over time and observed and soaked up knowledge and techniques from them. I have incorporated the shaping processes and techniques from a number of what I consider to be great shapers, into the way I shape boards. As well as discovering different ways of doing things on my own. Years of personnel discovery is a big part of becoming a great shaper. What makes different shapes and designs perform well. Things like thickness, volume, fin placement, fin configuration, vectoring and foiling, dimensioning, laying out, drawing out, mastering the use of the tools you use are all things that you will improve on over time on your own. And from techniques you observe and learn from others over time as well. It's a constant learning process. Just when you think you've figured out the best way to do something, you see someone doing it a better, cooler way, Then you incorporate that into your own shaping technique. Here's a recent, basic no frills Cal. Semi gun shape I designed for surfing reef breaks out at the Ch.Isles. And It ends up that it's great on larger beach and point break waves as well.

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Bump hahaaa!!

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I'll throw an update on this thread. Took my two boys out to California a few weeks back and caught an epic run of swell. In 8 days it never went below overhead and it was glassy or offshore all day, every day of our visit. I didn't shoot a lot of pictures because I was surfing my ass off. I shot a couple times at T-Street in San Clemente when I was too exhausted to surf. My boys are growing up and ripping. My 11 year old took his lumps to find some insiders and beat the crowds and rode some waves other days that were well beyond double overhead on him. He is turning into quite a little ripper. His big brother was in heaven on this trip.  photo 14976591_10205567924756265_480716493802719021_o_zpsmffaz9ge.jpg  photo DSC04131_zpsqph46nxs.jpg  photo DSC04185_zpssxtxbs1v.jpg  photo DSC04261 2_zpsjv35rx9z.jpg  photo DSC04384_zpsk5oliian.jpg  photo DSC04376_zpsdzcyah02.jpg  photo DSC04129_zpsoppyo4wj.jpg
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Mako - awesome pics, and yeah the groms are little rippers! Are these boards that you made for them? If so, would love to hear more about the boards. For such a weird opening post, this has actually turned into a pretty decent thread, haha. Also, gotta ask, after going back through all this, what's the story of the matching inlay / trunks, lol!
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Ha!!!!! Those aren't matching trunks......that's sanding dust on a pair of dark gray or black trunks. In those most recent pictures..........The green board my youngest is riding is one of mine. Its a 5'4 thumb tail. My oldest was riding a Super. He works in the local surf shop and employees get such a deal on boards its almost not even worth me making his boards. All the other pictures in this thread are my boards.
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I made my first board a few years ago in a shed with a block of wood and some 80-grit. Didn't have any power tools and didn't want to wait. I was too excited to shape. Took me hours and hours to skin and shape the blank. I went slow. I loved every minute of it. As for knowledge? I'd never seen another person make a surfboard. I'd been reading obsessively and watching videos online but had zero firsthand experience. I intended to make a 6'8 single fin egg with a flat bottom and 50-50 rails. A reasonable goal I felt. The result was indeed a 6'8 egg-ish shape with 50-50ish rails with a flat-ish bottom. The nose came out more pointed than I would have liked. And When I inspect the shape today I see it actually has somewhat of a double concave on the bottom - maybe like a 1 1/2 concave. And the rails - yeah - more like pinched and somewhat symmetrical. The outline is cool. And I actually got a nice sharp flat rail line going off the tail. As for the glassing. That's a whole other wild world. I sanded the laps with red sandpaper when they were way too wet - so I have red grit stripes permanently imbedded in the top lamination. Air bubbles everywhere. I didn't understand how logos were made so I just wrote with a pencil on the top of the board. And the fin box ----- well - maybe it's next level retro - but I installed that thing with a hammer and chisel like 12" up from the tail. Gives fin forward a whole other definition. About a year later I actually retrofitted the board with two smaller single fin boxes in more appropriate placement and now surf it like one of Neal Purchase Jr's Duo setups. And I still surf it. All the time. Because it works. Despite all it's "shortcomings" or perceived flaws - I absolutely love surfing it. I've made boards since I enjoyed far less than this first shed baby and theoretically I had more knowledge when I made them. There's a video of Marc Andreini shaping a board where he's working on the rails and he talks about making them symmetrical: "Some people actually care about that sort of thing," he says. "But even if they're not symmetrical the board will work fine." I love that. I keep it in my brain when I shape: "the board will work fine." Because they all do. I haven't made a board that didn't "work fine" in some way or another. Maybe it didn't work in the way I preferred - but it worked - it caught waves and surfed. I think it's so important to remember the bliss of making mistakes. Of just going for it and seeing where you land. There's really no finish line to any of this. It's the craft of a lifetime. That said, hell yes learn from those with more experience than you! Ask questions, sweep up, devour all the information you can - and then make it your own. Take everything you see here and put it to use in your own way. Take what works and leave the rest. Make what you want to surf! Ride the shapes you're stoked on! If making an 8-channel bottom on your first board turns you on - then juice it up. If you want to try and make a Liddle Hull right out the gate - more power to you! Find your style and find your voice. There's no wrong way to make a surfboard except to not have fun.
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By the way, I fixed the dead photo links earlier in the thread. Since my youngest was under represented in the earlier part of the thread I'll add some pics of him tearing it up. He's only 11 but is on a trajectory to be one hell of a surfer and skater.  photo 12322915_10205403525846395_569054114403602365_o_zpsrqikfakb.jpg  photo 14700914_10205416511611031_7705255914177165893_o_zpsex7ufr5c.jpg  photo 14290050_10205177738521853_7537869714084488502_o_zpsqbcjlkqe.jpg  photo 14063859_10205046567802667_267758039727911392_n_zpsfri2arvg.jpg  photo 14040083_10205046876290379_8368976239376906523_n 1_zpsfddnyc9u.jpg  photo 14045640_10205046543082049_483824421658124680_n_zps1fqf154v.jpg  photo 14633510_10205416583172820_8220556700752595618_o_zpsd5if68pt.jpg  photo 11216620_10205440971102503_6879227563260882550_o_zps6wjgae7e.jpg  photo 13719465_10204881516236481_1350016995122660572_o_zpszupe8txa.jpg  photo 14681082_10205440991543014_2538133959038864855_o_zps4uf25mez.jpg  photo 14706800_10205416584412851_6674408808751548697_o_zpstvaki0rq.jpg  photo 13662173_10204969312791340_4717164148636459854_o_zpssiid2mkh.jpg
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Can we put this one back in Errors and Bugs?
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I liked it general discussion, but as you wish...
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This is where us degenerates hang out.
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Shapaholiics latest creations via Craigslist . Working for stretch ?! ( See messy room). . Not bad http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/spo/5900233998.html
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good on him! as wacky as he would get on here, all the guys who met him said he was a nice guy in person. I really like this one!
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Yeah like you (Huck) having shaped the "Stretch" We can appricate the work. Boy has a ways to go. Mako, your kids rip ! And this is the dungon of of surfdom
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