Hi gdaddy, glad to get your input here. The tail will have to come in a bit, I rough cut the outline, but will probably bring it in an inch or more for the final cut. Still, its gonna be a wide tail. I did not know if thruster fin setup would work or not. So it seems like my best bet is to set it up for quad and single (or twin-gle), giving myself the choice of the two most logical setups. (Don't know what a twin biased quad is.)
I've been following Barry's formula for bottoms on wide boards for a while and I like the results. ACE was doing a similar bottom on his quad Simms. I tend to favor really subtle chines but it's apparent the more pronounced ones work really well.
By twin-biased quad I'm referring to a tighter cluster with a 5+" twin fin in front and smaller rears. I like those on boards with really wide tails.
Another Sways poster (AFOAF) did a board some years ago that's a lot like your's and used the Thrailkill Twin on it. He doesn't post here much anymore but if you sent him a PM he might be able to give you his feedback on the combo. As I recall he was saying the same things Warren has been saying about them.
I was in Bakersfield for work a couple weeks ago. I should have called you in advance for a hook-up.
OK, looks like a quad and single setup, options for either. Please enlighten me with details on the recommended quad setup for this board, I'm all ears.
I did a little rough shaping, but not too much, mostly just got it skinned and foiled, no small feat, these eco-tech blanks have a tough tough skin. More scrubbing than planing, working in my backyard on a quiet afternoon. Try to keep the planer work to a minimum, that Bosch of mine is a real screamer. Anyway, its ready to shape now.
I'm working out of town these days, seldom around during the week. Anyway I ran out of glass so my other board came to a halt, and I looked around and found this blank that McDing left me awhile back, and I started brainstorming to see if I could make something I could actually ride. Jury is out on that one, but I figure its worth a try.
I would choose fin and bottom combos based on what conditions I was going to surf the board in and how I intended to surf it. Since you do your own I reckon you could start with one setup and then if you want to try something different later you could add that on at that point.
Test mules are fun.
Love this place!
Ah, sometimes like this.
Not one bad word of advice.
Barry, gdaddy and the rest.
What a headful
of directions to go!
My 2 cents
which is worth nothing!
But food for thought.
Some time ago we were testing at 2nd sea wall.
Crappy with some exceptions still not
really happening, yeah?
Observed "dis guy" just killin' it
Hunted him down and talked with him and fondled his board.
Local brand, cool guy mellow as hell.
Shades of Griffen!
Maybe just maybe.
Fin set up?
Go "Thang" (5) for rears (we should talk)
Aloha and eh,'
You 1/2 a century, old "Rippa"! LOL
I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
I've made 3 this shape.A 6'2" then a 6'8" now fine tuned it to 6'5" with mild vee 22" wide and 3"~ thick. I went Single fin with all.very fun boards and user friendly.Just some input for you.
Scrub it kook
thanks Tom, it looks great! Matty, thanks for weighing in on this, unchartered territory for me, don't do too many boards this short or tails this wide.
Shaped it today, went with my gut and for better or worse what I ended up with: major panel V in the tail, flat through the middle but with a bevel on the bottom along the rail about 3 1/2" in, and hull-type belly in the nose. You can see the kinda teardrop shaped flat bottom area in a few pics. So pinched 50-50 rails, and thinned out nose and tail. Other than that I tried to keep a volume through the middle, not much deck dome. No concaves anywhere on this one. 6' 7" by 22 3/4" by just under 3". Fully 12" wide at the tail. Now I just need to get my hands on some glass!
Studying pictures on the internet for quad layouts, and guesstimating distances in my mind...
I'm thinking 4-5" up from the tail to the back of the rear fins, at 1 3/4" to 2" in from the rail, 9-10" from the tail to the back of the front fins, 1" to 1 1/4" in from the rails. Both toed to converge somewhere around 30" in front of the nose. Cant will be adjustable with ProBox.
Dog Gone Bitchen!
Flats and Vee, so very retro.
You studying McTavish?
Or just simply under deadshapers spell…
However Son, what you got there…
That board has potential for
Fun and stoke!
Kind of amazed with you, as going quad vs one big one.
This looks to my lame eyes as fronts @ ¼” toe in
Rears @ 3/16”
pretty much accepted practice.
Now the distance from the rail?
Front and back.
Very personal to most.
PM me for more of my lunacy on quad set ups and cants.
One more thing…
If you remember the Twin fin era
Not “Kicking your fins” was #1 awaking.
Eh, maybe consider moving them in a little.
Shaping is spot on, really nice.
Thanks, once I get to fin plug install I will PM you for more. Will probably also add fin box for single, although rail fins seem more logical (to me) with such a wide tail. Not specifically trying for particular style as far as shapers go, but yeah I'm sure there is a retro influence there. I guess retro comes naturally at my age. I don't get vertical or airs, etc, just like to get a few waves, a little trimming and a little turning, when I paddle out. A lot of the shape is taken from my favorite retro longboard, just added more V in the tail because of the width, and more belly in the nose because there is less of it, so to speak. And the nose belly / pinched rails combo has worked well for me on a couple prior boards. I didn't go with concaves because its a little bigger than most stubbies, and with the wide tail and nose I figure I have enough planing surface and maybe buoyancy to counter the need for added lift. I do think the concave seen on mini simmons boards loosens things up a bit on the wide tail, hopefully my V will do the same.
I just researched (i.e. yahoo search, as well as several old threads in the archives) what others were doing on their stubbies to make sure I wasn't too far out in left field, been there done that and ended up with a dog! I have paid attention to DS's F.O.Y. boards, as well as Barry's Hitchcock model, ACE's stubbies. Like most my stuff, I try to absorb what I can, then just go for my interpretation, sometimes it works out sometimes not so much. I'm not a pro or even semi, just doing this for my own amusement, so not really looking to make a test mule, hopefully just a fun board - ha!
I will move the fins in a little to try to save my ankles, thanks for the heads up. Convergence or toe-in measurements, just two ways of arriving at same or very similar thing.
Again, thanks for commenting and insight - all appreciated!