That was a 5'0" Slugbug I built for Ron Schein of Boardporn. Shown here with a carbon twill wrapped rail. Ron owns about every board under the sun, from every shaper. He said the Slugbug is the fastest board in his quiver. I'm stoked on that.
can you discuss what rocker numbers you are using?
Sure, assuming natural level for the design all the hulls are in the mid two's and most of my shortboard outlines are in the mid threes. From the nose back however my rockers are fairly unique in terms of curve and placement of the apex in relation to the length of the board. So much so I have a hard time with most poly blanks.
I'm not quite following. Nose mid two to three or tail? where do you place the greatest curve, and where do you place the least?
What are the other dims on that slugbug? I'm a fan of stubby, short and wide boards in most conditions and yours look awesome.
That being said, what's your take on what makes these sorts of boards work? What's that one thing, aside from the fact that everything adds up to the whole so you need a combo of good design elements.
Boards shaped: 8
Rons dims were 5' x 20.5 x 2.43 right around 30 Liters.
Theres 3 main contributing factors that make the board function. low rocker, wide planing area and deep concave beginning at the nose. Of course theres more to the story, but these are the important major elements.
like yourself, I'm also a fan of these designs in average local conditions, where I'll typically surf a 5'4 or a 5'5 in knee high to head high waves. They're easy and fun to surf. I can rip or I can flow depending on my mood. However In hollow surf or chunky seas I won't use them because personally I feel theres better designs.
Hi Dane -
I checked some of the designs shown in online videos. Was wondering if you might share approx. tail width ranges (@ 12" up from the end) - seems like several guys have busted the envelope wide open on that one dimension. I asked The Firewire guy (as in 17"-19"?) but got no answer on that question.
All other stuff aside, I have a feeling that tail width is a big factor in small wave performance designs. What you say?
Youre right, it's a huge factor. The firewire guy didn't want to share huh? Honestly I cant say I fault him. Much of what we know is hard got, so it's tough to turn around and give it away...especially when it's your livelihood.
Say the Axiom I'm on at the moment, thats a 5'5 by 19 7/8, the tail width at 12 off the tail is slightly over 17"
In all honesty, I personally measured some boards at a shop (with owner's permission) and came up with some tail widths on various models between 17" and 19". My question of the FW guy was were these designs specifically for east coast or consistent to the design wherever they are sold.
I've been building boards for a friend for awhile and we've been playing with the 17" tail width with good results. They work really good in mushy conditions but when it starts getting bigger and hollower... control obviously can become an issue at some point.
Anyway, thanks for the reply. I have enjoyed checking the designs you're doing and really like the glass work! The exotic reinforcements are very cool and I'm liking the rail slots as well. Forming the carbon fabric in the slots must be a bit tricky? Is that vacuum bagged or hand lammed?
With regard to firewire, while I don't want to answer for them I will say that yes the 17"-19" widths absolutely lend themselves to slower, smaller, burgery, high tide waves. And I agree with you absolutely when the wave is hollower the ultra wide backends can get a bit tricky and I personally feel their are better designs for juicy waves. I just had an exchange with Kelly Slater that made me consider this again. While it looks like Kelly has been having a kick with some of the tomo shapes I'm very doubtfull we'll see him stroke into any dredgers on one at Chopes. There is an important distinction however between a bigger wave and hollow wave. I've had GREAT success with a 5'5 Bullshark on a smooth (no offshore, no chop), lined up point break with a fuller almond shape face.
Thanks for the compliment. While I do hand laminate carbon on occasion, I prefer the results vacuum bagging where our Convex boards are concerned. Yes it is a little more tricky and the boards take at least twice as long as a normal lamination to complete.