This will be the thread where I dribble ideas and ask the real brains trust.
Some of you have seen that i have a large mass of foam in the shed, its M grade eps, from what i understand its around 1.4 pound eps. (had to convert it to american for ya)
One of my thoughts at the moment is to make another rabbits foot or other finless design.
Noosa festival of surfing is coming up again in march.
i made the super floaty rabbits foot out of a pu blank for this years event but the heats we heald in knee to waist high onshore dribble!!!!!!!
mine had gone very well in decent large point breaks but,,,, dribble,,,,, i was way out of the cool group that day.
the people who actually did alright on the day of dribble all surfed those glorified soft top body boards.
So the point is they had heaps of flex and went well in the dribble.
if i make a stringerless finless out of the EPS it might have some similar characteristics, go alright in dribble, that is.
just contemplating the design right now.
maybe not a rabbits foot as it can make it difficult going left, if its in dribble again i need to be able to go "both ways" (Matty will get a giggle out of that one)
Anyway, i have about, no actually, 4 seperate half finished boards on the go at the moment so i will kepp ya posted.....
cheers
Sloppy weak surf???
May I suggest
5-8 x 23 x 2 5/8
Low nose rocker and straight out the tail.
Tucked or EZ edges
These are we are doing.
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#6 on the shaping rack now…
This is a GG concept has evolved in my backyard.
Yeah they go either way!
Video “Boy” on #3
No I'm not sellin it! Just stoked on it..
Also,
For contest conditions it is best to have a quiver of
Proven boards (assorted conditions).
Hope you get some quality stuff this go!
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
~~Photo # 5
#6 on the shaping rack now…
This is a GG concept has evolved in my backyard.
Yeah they go either way!
Video “Boy” on #3
No I'm not sellin it! Just stoked on it..
- See more at: http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/oldmandoesalright-maybe-middle-aged#stha...
where are these pics?
are they finless?
whats an EZ rail, v's a tucked rail?
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Eh,
Still shot my shop (in my side yard)
Video "somewhere" in Ventura...
Here is the deal...
I am only trying to help.
As well, in no way, shape or form do
I mean to demean or talk down.
I learned alot on my own
and the biggest lession is, never let anyone tell you what to do.
Intellegent suggestions should not be taken as criticism.
#1 Listen
#2 Digest
#3 Squirrel away the words of gold.
#4 B.S. walks.
Simple, yeah?
Here is a start....
I'll get back to this,
in trying to understand where you are at...
As I said (in blending curves) " a kiss more nose rocker".
Here are #5 & #6 rockers
Did not want to openly ask your thoughts on your rail shape..
Looks like 50/50....
Or balanced half and half, yeah?
You may have some Vee going on....
My take and knowledge
"Belly" or roll on the bottom
causes the board to want to climb up the face of the wave.
Eh, jus' MHO might add I use it every once and a while.
I am referring to downrail styles.
Under GG's advise I started with a tucked edge ( all the way around).
Yeah, I'm a cheater and use a "Fred tool"
See photo... "tucked" AKA J. Lopez
Rail shape alone could fill pages.
Me? Eh, just check out what works in your conditions.
Ah, as a base, yeah?
PM for more detail or just post up!
Best...
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
I have a question, What is a 'fred tool'? Just asking as I don't have a clue!
I think rails will become my next quest after I finish playing around with rocker, My understanding is that the best shapers in the world are the ones that really understand every detail of rocker, I'm trying, but its hard. Really I am looking to blend staged and continuous to create something really special, I went lower on entry rocker 12" down and have decided that for mushy conditions it could be good, but for waves with a bit more push and wall increasing the entry is the way to go, I still want to have my flatter area in the middle section of the board, and an acceleration point in the fin cluster, but its still in develpment.
But good news after the test board 2 going so well I started basing most of my rockers on that, and feedback has been good. In fact, I made my version of a well known board to replace a customers old one, and word has got back to me that he is super stoked on it. Now some of his friends are placing orders with me. This aint no LiveTheMoment show, and i'm just a minnow, but this makes me happy, because for me, this is why I'm doing it.
I want to go back to harder rails, there is the well talked about (by some) 'catching' issue, but some of my old boards with super hard rails (shaped by my local shaper when i was a grom) didn't catch at all. This was the era of higher rockers so I am thinking that its something that can work better with higher rockers, makes sense if you can put weight on the back foot and pop a bit more rail area out of the water when needed. I have to add that I never had much of an issue catching rails when I was using those boards, but I know a lot of people have experienced that- who knows, perhaps it was other issues as well?
Anyway, rambling again so time to sign off for now.
All the best
Eh! Sk8ment!
Sorry to bomb your tread.
Only, eh!
Not a wacked out oldtimer!
only in this to advance the design.
@ LTM
See photos
Mine is the older opposed surform blade style, ah push pull style, the Greenlight ones (if you can get them) are nice sometimes I’ll glue up sand paper. IF I am really using Fred for more than a base line.
Ah, prior to Fred it was the planer @ ( around 30 to 45 degrees) I use Fred to rough in my tucked edges AND contrary to the popular “Pro” opinion I have seen guys with 20,000 under their belts reach for Fred. It is a God send or a devil.
Me?
Just another tool…
This is quite provocative for me.
As we has discussed in regard to rocker and our overall parallel thoughts on design.
Currently I am using the same blank with two rockers.
One Hypo the other mush buster.
As you have found the lower entry allows EZ entry and “get gone” drops.
It would seem we are on the same path, only way away from each other!
Only on Sway’s, eh?
Again, and this just busted my chops!
Made two ‘Groveler’s the “Magoo” series.
One low rocker and the other the Hypo rocker.
Results????
The LOW rocker wins.
“Boy” my test rider (he never ends my amazement of what board he rode, ah, in what conditions…)
I see he is favoring the low rocker board.
That board was made for a customer that couldn’t come up with the cash.
And I shaped it using an old rail shape I made for myself way back when…
photo "Blaze lable, circa 1980
And I swear until...
I heard “Boys” ride reports
I was the only other rider.
It really pumps me up.
To think that “maybe” I have touched a nerve." (or a least nice, to think so, more work needed)
More photos Old New.
LMAO!
(lately I have started the "hard @ the front fins, ah, no "shacka")
Hard edges?
Welp…
Just too long a story,
Yeah?
Me too, “never caught an edge” when it mattered.
In other words rails are indicative of waves ridden.
As I have shared…
The “Oxymoron rail”
Damn thing is a bitch to shape and glass…
But, so far something that deserves more work.
And like you LTM I am confused…
Is it rocker or rail shape????
Just gotta love this shit!!!
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
I have caught a rail, riding high, turning back down into the juice, oops, over the edge. I think down rails are faster, more high performance, but a little more critical. Soft edges more forgiving, shift weight wrong while turning, no problem.
Generalizations are that more rocker makes late drops better, but harder to get in, low rocker easy into the wave, but pearls easier. I have found that increased nose rocker has helped me make more takeoffs, but you can compensate on the paddling end with harder rails up front and more foam. I also think rocker works with template, i.e. more rocker with straighter more parallel rails, like modern shortboard nose, less rocker needed with rounder template like longboard or mini simmons type board. Generalizations
These are prophetic words....
What we seek!
Generalizations indeed!
The door is still open!!!
I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
Ya can all hijack away!
it is a little funny that i originally started musings about a finless design that could handle slop and we turned into a full tilt discussion of rails, rail shaping tools and matty's quirky commentary....... Gotta love it.
This is what a shaping community should be like. Can’t you just feel the love and complete lack ego.....
YYYYEEEEWWWWW!
Well back to it.
So we got a SunnyRound ride report and a bit of an update on the Betty Boop Groveler.
So I decided that the board was worth putting a tail pad on it as the light foam and 6,6 to and 6 bottom was holding up and not likely to fall apart any time soon. (The board weighs in at 2.75Kg)
Interesting to see, virtually no deck damage whatsoever, some small cracks around the junction of the freelap on the back foot toe and that’s it. Compared to a 4,4 4 PU PE build that would have a bunch of little deck depressions by now. WINNING!!!!!!
So I had the tail pad attached and new wax in the car as I left this morning but half way to work/surf on the way to work. I realised I didn’t put fins in or a towel. The towel you can handle but FINS!!!!!!!!
Got a mate on the phone who lives on the way and the champion hooked me up, some DVS Quads. WINNING again.
Here is a little cut up of the yellow and blue beast next to its blue glitter recycled fraternal twin.
Well the boards goes unreal in little waves, considering its kind of performance shape, it’s a really good groveler, as soon as you can find a bit of slope in the wave. You can jam a turn. I got this rad little bit of tail release this morning in a pocket hook that had me squatting low, kinda drop kneeing out of the slide down the face the re engaging and swooping back out of it again. Bear in mind I’m only 66-67 kg so im a light weight. BUT I LOVE THE TAIL PAD
I know some of the purist’s don’t like them but having the confidence to know where your foot is as you go into a turn and knowing you can push harder is EPIC!
Board on detention in my staffroom.
The borrowed fins, I think the whole fin cluster could go back another ¼ inch towards the tail.
So that’s the Sunny round now for the groveler.
So I had sand throughs on the V between the double concave and they needed resolution.
So I put a 4 oz patch over it with a bit of black in it so its easier to see how much im taking off as I sand it.
Some of the left over resin I spread over the sander marks to be hand sanded later.
CET epoxy 3 hours later trusty blade and trip it back.
Sanding is yet to come.
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Pics didnt work.
I'll try to do them in the same order.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
I went back and added them to original post
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/im-getting-shaping-bay-christmas
I wonder how long before I get slammed for my shaping bay being to small.
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Already slammed you bro, very happy for you getting a spot, didn't see the site pic before I posted, crawling back into my hole now...
http://pushheretosavealife.com/ Be safe, have fun. -J
Randy it's all good mate that's not a slam at all. I would love to go longer but. It's all good.
Lots of lov to ya all.
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Slab is down for the new shed. Worked out a way to make the shaping bay 3700 by 2000 mm yew.
Also made a start on three sets of shaping/sanding/glassine stands.
Wish I could add pics from iPhone.....
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Awesome! Hopefully you can get some pics up on the other thread.
http://pushheretosavealife.com/ Be safe, have fun. -J
Pics for the EBB's "Error and Bug Boys"
Discuss at your pleasure.
Why that damn pic keeps going upside down I dont know......
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
went off like a frog in a sock today, dudes commenting all over the shop.
Yew.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Been working on the shed, staone of the shaping bay.
Whipped up a pair of stands too.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Shed is done, but changes in circumstance mean that we have had to sell the house;(
So I need to finish boards and sort out stuff.
i'll add a few pics of the shed as its been working inside and the progects that are half done....
unfortunately i dont have the energy right now to do a big post.
but i have been having heaps of fun surfing of late, with very different boards.
been getting back on my 5'4" 21" 2.6' Sunnycomfort and its been rad, and the Sunnyround board made from rubbish.
Starting at the new school this year has been crazy and awesome, the new school has a surf excellence program and i have slipped straight into a position in the program, im coacing kids on land and water, making an eco board with them and generally breathing life into the program that had gone a little stale with the retirement of another teacher.
anyway a few pics.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Bust on your digs...
Rewarding for your soul in passing down the craft...
BTW nice work!~
I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
Cool pics, and congrats on the teaching position, sounds really interesting. Hope you get a shaping room set up at your new location!
Thanks guys.....
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Pics straight from the iPhone.
Hit the shed tonight and finish sanded a few blanks ready for glassing in the next few weeks.
Had a first attempt at some paint I saved from going in the bin. Rat squeegee style. Looks average but who cares. It's not like the board won't get weird looks any how....
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
So i have the foam and very occasionally we get the waves.
I'm 67 kg 174 tall.
6'6" 18.5" 2.7"
around 32 ltrs
its gunna have rail channels, ala Huck and stretch boards.
My eps is light my glass will be solid.
The big question is, i have been looking at a few rocker pics around and at the moment i have 5" nose and 3.2" tail rocker. Is that too much?
Im on the sunshine coast. East coast of Australia, typically week waves but this is for the rare big cyclone swell to light up the points and help me get waves in the crowd and still do good turns.
At the moment its still and idea and a file on shape 3d, i have to transfer the points to a hotwire template and mow the foam way down the track but as you may have seen with the cornice thread, ideas fester inside me for a good period of time before they come to fruition, but thats just how they work with me, nearly finish a project or two and start thinking about another two.....
I'm generally basing it off one of robin mair's magnificent machines.
see pic.
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(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Diggin' your vision...
I'll translate...
The "peanut" got my attention
I think your just as wacky as me!
And the "HIPS"
ought to challenging staying on your feet in the turns, LOL!
For the "peanut" ???
If so too much...
Now for the last pic
Yeah...
But IMHO 3.2" tail is too much for a HPSB.
Don't get me wrong, I have always been a tail rocker Nazi.
Please fill me in on results...
BTW
Robin's boards?
My cup a tea...
Faster than shit, NO doubt...
Your finger is on the pulse...
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
So I got into the shed yesterday arvo, set up a few little things and then cut the 4 oz for the sk8nice and the 6 oz for the 5'10" sunny comfort.
I do MASSIVE laps on the light weight stringerless blank for strength, and wont be sealing the blank so a bit of the resin bleeds in and gives it more strength. The little darker spots where the holes in the eps blank are neither here nor there.
People have said it adds weight but the foam is super light and it needs the extra strength and the boards so far have ended up lighter than a Standard PU 4x4x4 build.
I'll be adding a little green tint to the glass with a few black highlights. The tint i have been using is the straight colour tint from a "haynes" paint colour, as in choose a colour form a paint swatch and get them to pUt the tint into a container but no paint..... Its been in the shed for 3 years at least, probably closer to 5. its pretty solid like a playdough or plasticine consistency. i scrape a bit out but it into a jar with a lid with about 20ml of methylated spirits and shake the crap out of it then pour it into the mix at the same time as the part b and then mix it all at once. seems to have worked ok for me so far. the last two boards have been really sturdy.
The sk8nice or peanut or dog bone as people have called it will get a bit more explanation later.
And yes Matty the rocker discussion was for the 6'6"
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
So it was quite cool yesterday afternoon, only about 17 degrees, made the epoxy a little thick but i got it done. I made up 400grams of resin but it wasn’t enough, ended up having to make another 100 grams.
Made the annoying mistake of not cutting a slit in the tip of the big wide tail which frustrated me no end.
Went down in the dark later that night to the shed and came face to face with a big frog mouth owl sitting about 1m from me, just eyeballing each other. SO COOL.....
Then he calmly flew off in utter silence, considering the size of the bird its was amazing.
hopefully get to laminate the top this weekend.
Got some funky Nylextra hybrid cloth sent to me to trial from sanded.com.au. Supposed to have great impact resistance but not restricting its flex, so I am going to put a full deck layer on with a standard 4 oz on top of that. Its quad axial with (from the quick look i had) something like the vector net carbon strips at 45% about 20mm apart.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Pics no dribble will dribble later.
I never mix enough resin first go. Boooooogggrrrrrgghghgrrrrrrr
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Bit of time in the shed.
Loving the look of this one. The guy I'm making it for came by today and LOVED what he saw.
Happy days!
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Had a single fin comp the other weekend.
The rules were had to be a pre 85 board or one you made yourself, so of course i surfed this baby.
I made it to the semis and then struggled to find a wave in that heat, kept catching crap ones.
Here are s few pics from on of the waves in the first heat.
The board got lots of positive comments.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
FROTH!!!!!
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Looks super nice skatement.
What kind of weight do you expect it to finish up at?
the wood one is pretty but the green and black is just butt ugly, in my opinion... Of course the customer is always right????
Cant be bothered putting this one in the general discussion,
I put belly channels like a tomo, in the 1:1.618 ratio, will shape tail contours by hand.
This is the timber board with the top filler coat.
Not sure of the weight, weight before glassing was 1.9 kg
And yes the colours are a bit different but thats fine, i dont care who likes the looks, its what they surf like that counts.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Well that first pic didn't work.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
https://vimeo.com/185424463
see if that works
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
School compsand is in the vac bag right now, fixing the delam, will be sturdy as now, if a little heavier than intended.
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Vissla sunnyround from rubbish from Adam Baldwin on Vimeo.
Funny, I have been asked to send a copy of my peanut file to a few people now. the first one I sent on with a little trepidation but the guy Krisp was stoked and seems to have done an awesome job.
But the last guy asked, and I asked him to make me an offer. As in i spent hours on the file and he could make me an offer an give little bit of cash?
CRICKETS!!!!!!!
Thoughts????
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
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