This will be the thread where I dribble ideas and ask the real brains trust.
Some of you have seen that i have a large mass of foam in the shed, its M grade eps, from what i understand its around 1.4 pound eps. (had to convert it to american for ya)
One of my thoughts at the moment is to make another rabbits foot or other finless design.
Noosa festival of surfing is coming up again in march.
i made the super floaty rabbits foot out of a pu blank for this years event but the heats we heald in knee to waist high onshore dribble!!!!!!!
mine had gone very well in decent large point breaks but,,,, dribble,,,,, i was way out of the cool group that day.
the people who actually did alright on the day of dribble all surfed those glorified soft top body boards.
So the point is they had heaps of flex and went well in the dribble.
if i make a stringerless finless out of the EPS it might have some similar characteristics, go alright in dribble, that is.
just contemplating the design right now.
maybe not a rabbits foot as it can make it difficult going left, if its in dribble again i need to be able to go "both ways" (Matty will get a giggle out of that one)
Anyway, i have about, no actually, 4 seperate half finished boards on the go at the moment so i will kepp ya posted.....
cheers
Sloppy weak surf???
May I suggest
5-8 x 23 x 2 5/8
Low nose rocker and straight out the tail.
Tucked or EZ edges
These are we are doing.
Photo # 5
#6 on the shaping rack now…
This is a GG concept has evolved in my backyard.
Yeah they go either way!
Video “Boy” on #3
No I'm not sellin it! Just stoked on it..
Also,
For contest conditions it is best to have a quiver of
Proven boards (assorted conditions).
Hope you get some quality stuff this go!
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
~~Photo # 5
#6 on the shaping rack now…
This is a GG concept has evolved in my backyard.
Yeah they go either way!
Video “Boy” on #3
No I'm not sellin it! Just stoked on it..
- See more at: http://www.swaylocks.com/forums/oldmandoesalright-maybe-middle-aged#stha...
where are these pics?
are they finless?
whats an EZ rail, v's a tucked rail?
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
Eh,
Still shot my shop (in my side yard)
Video "somewhere" in Ventura...
Here is the deal...
I am only trying to help.
As well, in no way, shape or form do
I mean to demean or talk down.
I learned alot on my own
and the biggest lession is, never let anyone tell you what to do.
Intellegent suggestions should not be taken as criticism.
#1 Listen
#2 Digest
#3 Squirrel away the words of gold.
#4 B.S. walks.
Simple, yeah?
Here is a start....
I'll get back to this,
in trying to understand where you are at...
As I said (in blending curves) " a kiss more nose rocker".
Here are #5 & #6 rockers
Did not want to openly ask your thoughts on your rail shape..
Looks like 50/50....
Or balanced half and half, yeah?
You may have some Vee going on....
My take and knowledge
"Belly" or roll on the bottom
causes the board to want to climb up the face of the wave.
Eh, jus' MHO might add I use it every once and a while.
I am referring to downrail styles.
Under GG's advise I started with a tucked edge ( all the way around).
Yeah, I'm a cheater and use a "Fred tool"
See photo... "tucked" AKA J. Lopez
Rail shape alone could fill pages.
Me? Eh, just check out what works in your conditions.
Ah, as a base, yeah?
PM for more detail or just post up!
Best...
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
I have a question, What is a 'fred tool'? Just asking as I don't have a clue!
I think rails will become my next quest after I finish playing around with rocker, My understanding is that the best shapers in the world are the ones that really understand every detail of rocker, I'm trying, but its hard. Really I am looking to blend staged and continuous to create something really special, I went lower on entry rocker 12" down and have decided that for mushy conditions it could be good, but for waves with a bit more push and wall increasing the entry is the way to go, I still want to have my flatter area in the middle section of the board, and an acceleration point in the fin cluster, but its still in develpment.
But good news after the test board 2 going so well I started basing most of my rockers on that, and feedback has been good. In fact, I made my version of a well known board to replace a customers old one, and word has got back to me that he is super stoked on it. Now some of his friends are placing orders with me. This aint no LiveTheMoment show, and i'm just a minnow, but this makes me happy, because for me, this is why I'm doing it.
I want to go back to harder rails, there is the well talked about (by some) 'catching' issue, but some of my old boards with super hard rails (shaped by my local shaper when i was a grom) didn't catch at all. This was the era of higher rockers so I am thinking that its something that can work better with higher rockers, makes sense if you can put weight on the back foot and pop a bit more rail area out of the water when needed. I have to add that I never had much of an issue catching rails when I was using those boards, but I know a lot of people have experienced that- who knows, perhaps it was other issues as well?
Anyway, rambling again so time to sign off for now.
All the best
Eh! Sk8ment!
Sorry to bomb your tread.
Only, eh!
Not a wacked out oldtimer!
only in this to advance the design.
@ LTM
See photos
Mine is the older opposed surform blade style, ah push pull style, the Greenlight ones (if you can get them) are nice sometimes I’ll glue up sand paper. IF I am really using Fred for more than a base line.
Ah, prior to Fred it was the planer @ ( around 30 to 45 degrees) I use Fred to rough in my tucked edges AND contrary to the popular “Pro” opinion I have seen guys with 20,000 under their belts reach for Fred. It is a God send or a devil.
Me?
Just another tool…
This is quite provocative for me.
As we has discussed in regard to rocker and our overall parallel thoughts on design.
Currently I am using the same blank with two rockers.
One Hypo the other mush buster.
As you have found the lower entry allows EZ entry and “get gone” drops.
It would seem we are on the same path, only way away from each other!
Only on Sway’s, eh?
Again, and this just busted my chops!
Made two ‘Groveler’s the “Magoo” series.
One low rocker and the other the Hypo rocker.
Results????
The LOW rocker wins.
“Boy” my test rider (he never ends my amazement of what board he rode, ah, in what conditions…)
I see he is favoring the low rocker board.
That board was made for a customer that couldn’t come up with the cash.
And I shaped it using an old rail shape I made for myself way back when…
photo "Blaze lable, circa 1980
And I swear until...
I heard “Boys” ride reports
I was the only other rider.
It really pumps me up.
To think that “maybe” I have touched a nerve." (or a least nice, to think so, more work needed)
More photos Old New.
LMAO!
(lately I have started the "hard @ the front fins, ah, no "shacka")
Hard edges?
Welp…
Just too long a story,
Yeah?
Me too, “never caught an edge” when it mattered.
In other words rails are indicative of waves ridden.
As I have shared…
The “Oxymoron rail”
Damn thing is a bitch to shape and glass…
But, so far something that deserves more work.
And like you LTM I am confused…
Is it rocker or rail shape????
Just gotta love this shit!!!
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I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
I have caught a rail, riding high, turning back down into the juice, oops, over the edge. I think down rails are faster, more high performance, but a little more critical. Soft edges more forgiving, shift weight wrong while turning, no problem.
Generalizations are that more rocker makes late drops better, but harder to get in, low rocker easy into the wave, but pearls easier. I have found that increased nose rocker has helped me make more takeoffs, but you can compensate on the paddling end with harder rails up front and more foam. I also think rocker works with template, i.e. more rocker with straighter more parallel rails, like modern shortboard nose, less rocker needed with rounder template like longboard or mini simmons type board. Generalizations
These are prophetic words....
What we seek!
Generalizations indeed!
The door is still open!!!
I would rather be someone's shot of whiskey, than everyone's cup of tea.
www.mattysurfboards.com
Ya can all hijack away!
it is a little funny that i originally started musings about a finless design that could handle slop and we turned into a full tilt discussion of rails, rail shaping tools and matty's quirky commentary....... Gotta love it.
This is what a shaping community should be like. Can’t you just feel the love and complete lack ego.....
YYYYEEEEWWWWW!
Well back to it.
So we got a SunnyRound ride report and a bit of an update on the Betty Boop Groveler.
So I decided that the board was worth putting a tail pad on it as the light foam and 6,6 to and 6 bottom was holding up and not likely to fall apart any time soon. (The board weighs in at 2.75Kg)
Interesting to see, virtually no deck damage whatsoever, some small cracks around the junction of the freelap on the back foot toe and that’s it. Compared to a 4,4 4 PU PE build that would have a bunch of little deck depressions by now. WINNING!!!!!!
So I had the tail pad attached and new wax in the car as I left this morning but half way to work/surf on the way to work. I realised I didn’t put fins in or a towel. The towel you can handle but FINS!!!!!!!!
Got a mate on the phone who lives on the way and the champion hooked me up, some DVS Quads. WINNING again.
Here is a little cut up of the yellow and blue beast next to its blue glitter recycled fraternal twin.
Well the boards goes unreal in little waves, considering its kind of performance shape, it’s a really good groveler, as soon as you can find a bit of slope in the wave. You can jam a turn. I got this rad little bit of tail release this morning in a pocket hook that had me squatting low, kinda drop kneeing out of the slide down the face the re engaging and swooping back out of it again. Bear in mind I’m only 66-67 kg so im a light weight. BUT I LOVE THE TAIL PAD
I know some of the purist’s don’t like them but having the confidence to know where your foot is as you go into a turn and knowing you can push harder is EPIC!
Board on detention in my staffroom.
The borrowed fins, I think the whole fin cluster could go back another ¼ inch towards the tail.
So that’s the Sunny round now for the groveler.
So I had sand throughs on the V between the double concave and they needed resolution.
So I put a 4 oz patch over it with a bit of black in it so its easier to see how much im taking off as I sand it.
Some of the left over resin I spread over the sander marks to be hand sanded later.
CET epoxy 3 hours later trusty blade and trip it back.
Sanding is yet to come.
@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
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I'll try to do them in the same order.
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@reclaim_surf formerly Skatement
(Adam) Sunshine Coast Queensland Australia
I went back and added them to original post
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