ChrisP said it perfect. Too much drama, not enough positive feedback. And that minimum point before you can reply has to go. As a matter of fact, the whole point thing has to go.
Its pretty clear who the helpful posters are and who they aren't.
The only thing points do is tell who posts a lot. Quantity not quality.
Priorities! I think part of it has to do with each individuals priorites/commitments. I think ChrisP is correct about too much drama as well, but there are a number of us amateurs that just have other things going on in their lives (work/family) that are a higher priority. For me, I've had a build planned since last fall, but just can't find the time. I'm still hoping to start the build, but now realize it's probably in the spring now.
I come to this site to learn to build surfcraft & "grow the stoke", & unfortunately, some take to insults & "put downs" which will scare people away. Having followed this site for awhile, you get a pretty good idea of the positive helpful "pro's" wanting to share their knowledge. I also think that some of less experienced have resorted to PM'ing the helpful guys, which kind of defeats the purpose of this site sharing knowledge among all.
Wh en Mike and Ambrose and Jim and Herb and Barry and many others of that experience level posted, my mind was constantly blown. And there are still many, and I'm going to tip my hat to the Central Coast boys, some of the San Diego/Orange County crew, and some of the Island Boyz, that continue to offer sage advice to us new guys who have so much to learn. But these are the old guys. Younger people today, through no fault of their own, can't get the concept of time in the trenches. They can't write in cursive, they have a hard time telling time if it's not a digital clock, and may have a hard time lacing a pair of shoes, if they even know what that means. But it's not their fault. It's how the acquisition of knowledge has evolved. And so the time invested to gain experience and thus knowledge has been shortcutted so that knowledge is instantly available without the experience. The good thing is that there are a good number of young reprobates that still want to know the old ways. Just like we, who are older, wanted to know how it used to be done. So, for me, there is still a gold mine of information here. It just takes a little more discernment to dig it out. Keep posting and keep digging!!
I joined sways in 2004. I think. Anyway, it's still a place a new or novice boardbuilder can come an get advice. Good and bad. You choose what advice is good or bad. There were pissing matches then as now. Sometimes the advanced guys would get a bit curt and say check the resources that's been asked a 1000 times. Mostly they gave solid advice and still do. It's the world wide web. More people than ever are on it. You put your opinion or photos out there you might need a thick skin or don't take it all so seriously. Mostly, I think there's less participation because there are so many other places on the net you can find information. Blogs, webpages, you tube, and all the other social networking places I know nothing about, but hear about. Lots of choices. The market at work. Maybe Sways will become obsolete. I come here to have fun, relax, share stuff, and laugh at the error and bugs threads. Don't take it all so serious. Seriously. Mike
Threads without build pics are very disappointing to me. We need to get you up to speed Bill with a 5 minute inservice on how to take pics and upload them to sways. Words just don't work sometimes. The last thread with your latest build was anticlimatic for me without the build pics. My minds eye could not appreciate the effort of the build with the final product pics alone. Probably the one guy who consistently posts here with the most to share. Post build pics and be the rock salt to keep us from slidin and slippin away.
Affirmation of a job well done is something all humans want and possibly need. The goal is to not give a shat what others think and do what you like. Keep posting your builds with that attitude and self satisfaction will be your ultimate reward. You probably don't relaize all the lurkers and regulars who appreciate your posts. The worst 5 words I could tell anyone is "keep up the good work". So instead I suggest keep pushing yourself, have fun and don't give a flying fark what others think.
The Ambrose meter is an effective way to evaluate the current state of Sway's.
More posts from Ambrose = positivity is up, much needed humour as well
Less to zero posts from Ambrose = positivity replaced by polemics, humour replaced by dour
the dour, those quick to blame or insult othes, are pretty self-evident
except maybe to themselves
ChrisP said it perfect. Too much drama, not enough positive feedback. And that minimum point before you can reply has to go. As a matter of fact, the whole point thing has to go.
Its pretty clear who the helpful posters are and who they aren't.
The only thing points do is tell who posts a lot. Quantity not quality.
http://markmillerconstruction.com
Yes I agree the points thing is pointless
No; It's not an ironing board.
Priorities! I think part of it has to do with each individuals priorites/commitments. I think ChrisP is correct about too much drama as well, but there are a number of us amateurs that just have other things going on in their lives (work/family) that are a higher priority. For me, I've had a build planned since last fall, but just can't find the time. I'm still hoping to start the build, but now realize it's probably in the spring now.
I come to this site to learn to build surfcraft & "grow the stoke", & unfortunately, some take to insults & "put downs" which will scare people away. Having followed this site for awhile, you get a pretty good idea of the positive helpful "pro's" wanting to share their knowledge. I also think that some of less experienced have resorted to PM'ing the helpful guys, which kind of defeats the purpose of this site sharing knowledge among all.
Wh en Mike and Ambrose and Jim and Herb and Barry and many others of that experience level posted, my mind was constantly blown. And there are still many, and I'm going to tip my hat to the Central Coast boys, some of the San Diego/Orange County crew, and some of the Island Boyz, that continue to offer sage advice to us new guys who have so much to learn. But these are the old guys. Younger people today, through no fault of their own, can't get the concept of time in the trenches. They can't write in cursive, they have a hard time telling time if it's not a digital clock, and may have a hard time lacing a pair of shoes, if they even know what that means. But it's not their fault. It's how the acquisition of knowledge has evolved. And so the time invested to gain experience and thus knowledge has been shortcutted so that knowledge is instantly available without the experience. The good thing is that there are a good number of young reprobates that still want to know the old ways. Just like we, who are older, wanted to know how it used to be done. So, for me, there is still a gold mine of information here. It just takes a little more discernment to dig it out. Keep posting and keep digging!!
Ride on,
Tom
I joined sways in 2004. I think. Anyway, it's still a place a new or novice boardbuilder can come an get advice. Good and bad. You choose what advice is good or bad. There were pissing matches then as now. Sometimes the advanced guys would get a bit curt and say check the resources that's been asked a 1000 times. Mostly they gave solid advice and still do. It's the world wide web. More people than ever are on it. You put your opinion or photos out there you might need a thick skin or don't take it all so seriously. Mostly, I think there's less participation because there are so many other places on the net you can find information. Blogs, webpages, you tube, and all the other social networking places I know nothing about, but hear about. Lots of choices. The market at work. Maybe Sways will become obsolete. I come here to have fun, relax, share stuff, and laugh at the error and bugs threads. Don't take it all so serious. Seriously. Mike
Threads without build pics are very disappointing to me. We need to get you up to speed Bill with a 5 minute inservice on how to take pics and upload them to sways. Words just don't work sometimes. The last thread with your latest build was anticlimatic for me without the build pics. My minds eye could not appreciate the effort of the build with the final product pics alone. Probably the one guy who consistently posts here with the most to share. Post build pics and be the rock salt to keep us from slidin and slippin away.
Affirmation of a job well done is something all humans want and possibly need. The goal is to not give a shat what others think and do what you like. Keep posting your builds with that attitude and self satisfaction will be your ultimate reward. You probably don't relaize all the lurkers and regulars who appreciate your posts. The worst 5 words I could tell anyone is "keep up the good work". So instead I suggest keep pushing yourself, have fun and don't give a flying fark what others think.
Here is my tomo outlined build with a hull to double concave to don't ask, don't tell last 20 inches. I call it the HOMO.
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