LA Surf Start-up is Looking for Teammates

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gordof's picture
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87.2% of the reason i go in the water is to get away from electronics, phones and technology.
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Hey Gordof, I'm totally with you in regards to getting away from electronics. Yet, let me contemplate that it is because you want to get away from a specific aspect of electronics--you being "online" all the time. And that is also one of the reasons why I like to surf. Our product on the other hand is strictly for music: there is no messaging, phone calling, internet browsing, etc. It is made for 1 purpose. As a bonus they also work as earplugs, and if you want you can always turn it off and listen to the sounds on nature.
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Matt's picture
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Wood be good for swimming laps!
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SammyA's picture
Joined: 01/14/2006
Matt wrote:
Wood be good for swimming laps!
People who come on here trying to hype their "products" need to be sent for a one-way swim.
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Joined: 12/13/2017
Hi SammyA, Please notice that in the original posting I'm reaching out to this community to find engineers. I am NOT promoting any products here (it doesn't even exist yet).
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thrailkill's picture
Joined: 05/07/2004
Archie, You appear to be working on the solution to a problem that does not exist.
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Bill Thrailkill SHAPER SINCE 1958
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Joined: 12/13/2017
Hi Bill, Thanks a lot for your feedback. Could you please elaborate a little bit more on it? Why do you think so? I personally talked to around 50 surfers so far in SD area and had tons of positive feedback; around 90% of people who were surveyed wanted the product. Perhaps it is due to misunderstanding of the product design and functionality that you might have at this point. So, there are basically 2 parts: 1) Bracelet. Kind of like a "fitbit," but a bit smaller. Serves as your music storage and remote control. 2) Earbuds. Relatively small size (similar to "surf ears"). Slick and ergonomic design. There are no wires at all. Also work as earplugs (keep the water out)
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Joined: 06/20/2012
How are you going to hear people calling you "kook" in the water, now?
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Joined: 12/13/2017
Hi Acqua_Glassing, I don't think it is something that anyone would like to hear, so not hearing people calling you "kook" or whatnot I think is a plus. Also, there is a mute button on the device if you would really want to hear some opinions about yourself;) But seriously, why would you be called that? Do you also call anyone who wears earplugs that same word?
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SammyA's picture
Joined: 01/14/2006
Acqua_Glassing wrote:
How are you going to hear people calling you "kook" in the water, now?
Perfect!! He should target this lame device to SUPers. They're the type that go for lame crap like this.
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Joined: 10/31/2008
^^^ Wut he said
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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009
I suspect it's a millenials thing. Although I have no interest in such a product myself, I could see this being popular among the younger crowd, who seem to crave a constant electronic connection to the digital world, as opposed to the natural connection to the physical world that many of us older guys appreciate about surfing.
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Thank you for your feedback, Huck! You are right that it is more targeted at the younger crowd. But although being a "younger crowd" myself, I really value surfing for its physical aspects. What I'm trying to convey is that we are not making a product to get you away from physical into digital. You are still out there on your board catching waves. We just want to add your favorite vibes when you go out in the water. I'm also an active person, and I love to listen to music when I ride a motorcycle, snowboard, run, workout, etc. I guess I just want to listen to music when I do my favorite activities and I don't see any obstacles why it cannot be done while surfing.
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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009
the sound of the ocean is music to me, the crack of the lip hitting, the crash of the waves, the rattle of the rocks under the water, hey maybe I could play this cd over my earbuds with your system...
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SammyA's picture
Joined: 01/14/2006
Archie Rabano wrote:
. We just want to add your favorite vibes when you go out in the water..
My favorite "vibe" is silence. I don't want to hear music, and I sure as hell don't want to hear other people.
Archie Rabano wrote:
I love to listen to music when I ride a motorcycle, snowboard, run, workout, etc.
So, you don't even surf? Figures.
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Joined: 12/13/2017
SammyA, I guess you not our TA then. Of course I surf:)
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thrailkill's picture
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Archie Rabano wrote:
We just want to add your favorite vibes when you go out in the water. . .
My favorite ''vibe'' when out surfing, does NOT ENTER my ears, it comes from BETWEEN my ears.
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Bill Thrailkill SHAPER SINCE 1958
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Bill, Thanks a lot for your feedback!
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lemat's picture
Joined: 04/17/2010
All those ear plugs can be really dangerous when used where you need attention. Yesterday a young girl cross road in front of my car she listen music and look her phone while return home from school. She cross road without looking in a place where nobody even think to cross this road! It was a miracle I can stop in extremis. She was shocked, scared and sorry, she was in her dream, I hope It'll be a lesson for her and my two young daughters that were in my car. So keep your ear plugs out of water when surfing, it's even dangerous with crowd on spots.
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Hi Flexbex, There is no "online" part to the product. It actually is a simple mp3
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Archie Rabano's picture
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Thank you, flexbex! Best of luck to you:)
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gdaddy's picture
Joined: 10/31/2008
I don't even listen to music or the radio in my car. The external distraction detracts from my normal mental multitasking. Ironically, surfing (along with driving) is one of the few things I do that more fully engage my attention.
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rooster's picture
Joined: 03/18/2004
When was a young man, I remember listening to a july 4th band (my buddies) rock out during a strong south swell at a La Jolla area body surfing beach. At the time,I thought it would be great to have a band jamming on the beach while we surfed. Now I sometimes will put something on high energy before I paddle out so its going through my head when I surf. But, mostly I now surf in places that are best to keep your ears and eyes open for predators hunting for easy kills. Not that it makes a difference if they choose you. Being out in nature is part of the stoke. Not checked out into head phones. That's where I'm at and won't buy your product, but I wish you well in you efforts. Mike
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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009
There have been many times in the crowded surf of ventura and los angeles that a shouted heads-up warning has saved me or others from a dangerous collision, hate to think what would have happened if I or others had been wearing headphones and unable to hear those around us. I'm with lemat on this, no way I could consider this a good idea, regardless of whether it is potentially a money maker.
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Joined: 12/30/2005
Put them in WAVESTORMS and every Costco kook will love it. The future of surfing.....
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petec's picture
Joined: 03/18/2004
As a mechanical engineer who has worked on many devices that see salt water, this is not easy especially with the low cost targets you probably have in mind. If this device is a wristband and a set of ear buds, then the cheapest / easiest design is to plastic mold everything around the electronics rather than assemble halves with seals. Then you'll have no battery access so it's essentially disposable. If you've done your homework you probably already know that the tooling on the molds alone will run upwards of $30K+ (US made) combined with the cost of the engineering effort which would be at least $150K for two engineers for 6 months. Like everyone else in this country, you could also go to Asia and get the whole thing done (incl. "engineering") for less than $150K if you contract for a zillion units per year to get a low enough product unit cost. And when they're done, you need to valid your product to insure it works and will last in the intended environment, which takes more engineering to test using accelerated stresses. To have this kind of money you must be either a Trustifarian, have some stupid venture capital guys around, or a gofundme thing. If you just want to 2x your investment, give it to me and I'll take it to a casino. This is less of a risk than heading down an expense-ridden 1-2 year road before finding out if the product even sells. Sorry for the negativity (like many of the other responses), but your proposed product would contribute zero to what most of us here define as surfing.
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Hey Petec, Thanks a lot for your feedback, both mechanical and personal. It is very interesting to hear your and other people's opinions here. I have personally talked to many surfers in SD area and some surf shops in LA, and a lot of people gave very positive feedback. Maybe the pool of surfers here is too experienced and more rigid (especially some), which I get. Anyway, thanks again for your reply!
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shapensurf's picture
Joined: 04/02/2011
I had to post- please do not waste your efforts making your product come to fruition. It sounds useful but in fact will allow people to disconnect from their environment further. This will lead to more confrontation, more isolation, and I'd predict even less environmentalism (eventually). Please don't do anything to make LA surfing even more of a joke!
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Hi Shapensurf, Thank you for your reply. I honestly don't understand why would you get disconnected from the environment? I ride a motorcycle on daily basis and I always listen to music. Some people might argue that it is dangerous etc., but I really don't agree. I can still hear cars and other stuff that happens around me. My ability to be in the environment is dependent on paying attention to what is going on on the road, not what sound is in my ears. Moreover, earbuds protect me from wind noise, which can be substantial at higher speeds, exactly the same as SurfBuds will protect surfers' ears from cold water (they will also work as earplugs). People listen to music everywhere. It actually adds to their (or at least my) environment. I can see the problem of dropping in and not being able to hear, but we will definitely address that problem and figure out a solution to still hear what is going on on the outside. You won't be completely isolated from the external sound.
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Joined: 07/18/2012
I'd see the guy playing music in their headphones while surfing, like the futhermucker looking at their phone sitting at a traffic light, and who only move when the car behind them honks. Such behavior is simply a display of disgustingly selfish, ignorant, unsafe disregard for everybody else on the road which makes traffic, already bad, much much worse. I always envision myself swinging a sledgehammer repeatedly at such a persons vehicle, then smashing their window, ripping the phone out of thier hand, then lifting them by their ears, and slapping them silly while yelling "The world does not revolve around you you disgusting millenial piece of donskyshit, Have some consideration of those that have to share this planet with you!!" But these days, inconsideration for others/ complete obliviousness of surroundings, seems to be a trait showing others just how important they think they are. If I see anybody wearing headphones in the water rocking out to their soundtrack, I will hound them and stuff them at every opportunity, and I am pretty much the least confrontational person you will never meet, in or out of the water. I wear ear plugs because of advanced surfers ear, and a few times people asked if they are headphones and I am appauled, and insulted. I love music and will have a song stuck in my head on session X, and if session X was special, then every time I hear that song or part of that song, I can relive that turn, or tuberide, as the tempo was in tune with the wave/ride. If actual music were playing, what if as soon as you take off it translates to a slow part of the song. It would be like a hetero watching porn, when they take the camera off the woman and show the guy's face. Gonna click fast forward during the slow part? The desire to create this product, and actually having to share lineups with people with the mindset to use it, increases my already seething comtempt for the average modern human personality. I pretty much have music playing during 80% of my waking hours, but would never consider wanting to wear headphones while surfing. I just make sure the last song I hear before a session is a good one, and I can feel it and hear it, and time it, when riding a wave.
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Hey wrcsixeight, Thanks a lot for your feedback!
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gbzausa's picture
Joined: 09/13/2009
Poor Archie is getting no love on Sways .
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Archie Rabano's picture
Joined: 12/13/2017
Hahaha:) I appreciate your concern, Gbzausa, but no need to worry. I don't take things like that personally:)
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shapensurf's picture
Joined: 04/02/2011
I have my motorcycle license as well, been a cyclist in LA for many years before that. Riding with headphones is unsafe, you will pay the price eventually when you merge and can't hear the especially quiet car beside/behind you, or the other biker. Anything that takes your focus away from the road increases your risk of injury. I've had this talk with drivers, skaters, cyclists, and motorcyclists, for years now. 37,000 died last year in driving accidents. People in cars put their windows up to keep in the AC, but they also do it to block out the sounds of the city, the homeless, etc. Do you think people putting it headphones to surf will be able to work better in a lineup? Will they be more likely to talk and be friendly with others? Will they be equally as able to observe the sea state? No, they will not. A good surfer might simply be slightly distracted (which might be fine), while a bad surfer would not hear my yelling down the line as they drop in bumping their music. It might even be possible to argue that your product itself ( depending on how it's marketed) becomes a liability and is considered the primary facilitating cause of an accident.
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Joined: 08/09/2013
Disco disco duck.
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everysurfer's picture
Joined: 09/20/2008
What a bunch of old grumps! I have a waterfi mp3 player that I love! Set some nice music to keep the mood going. It really helps with the boredom of long lulls on a long period swell. Here's my bit of input on the device. The ear buds shouldn't be wireless. I've had mine fall out on almost every wipe out. But I just stick them back in. I have no problem still being aware of my surroundings. If I needed other people to yell "look out" to keep me safe, i think i'd better stay on dry land.
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Huck's picture
Joined: 12/07/2009
Looks like you found yourself a team-mate / customer here after all, haha.
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WideAWAKE's picture
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Old grump?? Who you callin an old grump?! I'm a young grump! I could see you out in the line up rockin out tho.
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I don't think there will be much of a market. Implants will soon be the preferred device for those who like that stuff, and as connected to the internet as possible, of course.
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MrMik wrote:
Implants will soon be the preferred device...
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