Okay, so there were two things I wasn't satisfied with: the cleanliness of my workspace and the template. So I cleaned up, read the masonite template thread and made a nice template. I had a fun sessions on the predecessor to this board and learned a few things. I actually widened the tail up a bit so the gap between the winged area and further up isn't so drastic. I rode the board I shaped for my brother, which is similar but with less foam in the rails. Less foam in the rails has a huge (positive in my opinion) impact on how these wide boards feel edge to edge. So the new template brings back the 17" tail and widens the tail block slightly, while still being skinnier than the predecessor.
I had to make it in two pieces since I couldn't find masonite long enough. I sanded the blank a bit to remove the old lines and I'll put the new template on soon.
I made little holes where I can mark the fins. they're 11.25" up for the fronts, 5" up for the rears and the center for a 3 finner will probably be like 3.25" or so. I'm putting them pretty close to the rail, almost as close as the futures box will allow. Same amount of toe in on all of them, although that might change.
Boards shaped: 7
Did some more work tonight. With my template not a piece of shit, I got the outline on.
Some time later. I used a handheld jigsaw for the outline with a long, sort of wide and thick blade (so it doesn't deflect or bend as much).
Put some marks down for the double concave. Like its predecessor, this will have a deep double from near the front that fades into a vee behind the front fins. I think it's a good contour.
What the fins may look like. Fronts 11.25" up, rears 5" up. The fins aren't actually that long, they'll just fall on that line if you start at the back. It's just a reference. I'll most likely run EA fronts (a 3 fin set I like) and F4 rears.
A little wobbly but I fixed it. Not terrible for board number 7. I'm gonna make them a bit rounder up front on the bottom but keep it pretty foiled, then harder at the back. From the wing back will be 90* hard, which is more or less behind the front fins.
I mowed some foam tonight. Reduced the max thickness to 2.25" and kept a similar foil through the middle at its predecessor. I thinned the nose out more this time, and I think I might take even a bit more out of the tail. I'll go look with a fresh pair of eyes tomorrow and compare the two.
It's a similar rail to the last one, which is something I think I did right. It's sort of hard on the bottom, but the apex isn't so low that it's super hard and angular. It's still got some volume to it, but it's a bit less chunky than the last one. The deck is pretty flat.
This is the middle.
This is the front. I moved the apex up a bit in the front. Autofocus struggled on this one.
This is tail. I'm going to do some more work on it tomorrow and get rid of that square part behind the hip. The tail might just get another pass with the planer too. Rail bands and blending with wings is new to me.
A combination of slightly crooked, lopsided stands and my own handiwork. I'll fix it. It's not as crooked as it looks.
I'll do bottom contours and such tomorrow, or Saturday. Sunday there might be waves so I have to fix the current version. Some kook launched his longboard into me last time I rode it. He was riding around in the whitewash and just ditched it. Luckily the current version has quite a lot of glass on the rails. I got some cracks and barely took on any water. I didn't see his but I kinda hope he made out worse than me. Interestingly, it seems the rail acted as an arch and distributed the force of the impact. The cracks are above and below the impact point by about an inch. I think I made out well for a direct hit from a longboard being pushed by whitewash.
Here's how it sat as of Friday night.
You can see where this is going. Deep double to vee. My iight setup isn't quite even and I think the left side light is too high, which is why you can't see the vee, or my vee is bad. But I think it's actually the light being higher. I dropped the stringer height relative to the rails, so it's sort of like a combo of a single and double. It's always hard to capture bottom contours.
Here it is next to the old one. I saw this and realized my rails weren't thin enough. It's hard to tell, but the apex on the new one is a bit lower. Anyway, they were too thick, so I very carefully went at it with the surform rather than the planer.
I still need front fin boxes. They're on their way.
So now the rails are thinner and the deck's still about the same thickness as the old version. The tail and nose are also thinner. The vee is less intense since the tail rocker is overall greater. I kinda lengthened the double so it should have more effect under my front foot. i tend to ride heavy on my front foot.
Here's the old version, which as I said got torpedoed by some kooks longboard. the impace was in the middle, I think, but you can the cracks, the obvious one and the other just where the bottom of the board meets the rail. I gently heated it with a heat gun before and I apparently took on no water. There was no bubbling or anything. No I'm fairly sure his took more damage than mine.
Okay, so it's glassing day. I did one of these types of patches over the box. Bit of a weight increase but I want this thing to last, plus I'll save weight on the top by going 4s+4s. I included the made in USA lam but it got covered up more than I hoped.
As usual, pictures don't do it justice. It's one of the cooler color jobs I've done for sure. I wanted the tail to look less smoked and more black and white, but, it doesn't and I'll live. Would have had to have made more resin for that.
From the other end. You can see why the USA lam got covered up.
Did some hot coating tonight. I took the advice I've seen on here and did a squeege coat before I did the actual coat. So I just mixed up some resin and pushed it around with a squeege stiffened by use for glassing. Seems to have eliminated much of the issues I've had in the past, although I'll have to go check on it to make sure there isn't a million pinholes or fisheyes now.
*finger purposely over the lens to block the light.
The other logos became more or less invisible under the laps and deep purple color. So I used my last sheet of rice paper to print up these retro style ones with a gradient fill and another made in the USA lam. I'll just be careful when sanding to not remove them, and a little bit of ink removal will add a nice distressed look to them anyway if I do mess them up. I was going to put it half wrapped on the rail at the nose, but the rice paper shows way too much on the purple. It doesn't show all that much on the gray.
I guess it's done. took longer than I wanted, but, doesn't everything? Got some grainy, slightly blurry shots of it in all sparkly in the rain.
I got white resin on the rail, as you can see. Not happy about that but whatever.
Should all go well, I'm riding it thursday night in chest high waves. Hope the high tide doesn't kill it too much. If not, there better be waves over the long weekend.
By the way, thanks swaylocks. There's so much info on here. This is board 7 for me, if you couldn't tell. Would be on board 0 without this site.
love it, so good to see build threads, yours are epic lots of details.
Sunshine Coast (hoax) Queensland Australia
Thumbs up! Working with color is fun. I haven't made a white board in a long time. Looking forward to the ride report.
I got out after work today. It was like waist high, some chest high sets (on me, I'm short) with smaller waves between. Plenty of waves and the size was there, but the quality sort of wasn't. Lots of closeouts, but also some racetracks for speed. I think the swell direction wasn't optimal for this spot, plus a the winds probably cycled through 180 degrees of direction changes for the two hours or so I was there. Still a few fun waves to be had. Here's some observations:
1: Speeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed. Easily the fastest board I've done. I don't know if it's related to it being a quad or the bottom contours but it's so fast. I made fast running lefts I wouldn't have gotten around on the other board. Before I got out I got a few lefts where I was consistently surprised not only that I made the sections, but that I kept that speed and kept going faster still. It flows so quickly, like a skateboard in a tight bowl corner.
I don't think this pic made the previous posts but I'd imagine this has something to do with it. I have to surf it more, but it seems better under heavy front foot loading than the old version. The whole thing just feels a bit more efficient when pumping and making speed.
2: It's easier to release on my forehand, which was one of my goals. It also flows between turns more quickly and fluidly, which is how the libtech puddle jumper felt, so I think this is an attribute of quads of this style that I like. I had a small hit on a small lip and to my surprise I was able to quickly set it off the bottom and come up to hit the whitewash, where the board released and I felt like I was on a skateboard again. I think the lighter weight makes it feel a bit more lively too. If any of you skate, you know how you board can have all the traction you want, but even going slow over a roller or hump you can easily unweight the tail and drift it out then bring it back under you. This board reacts quicker than the old one.
3: Buoyancy seems about the same. It duckdives slightly better since I made the nose a bit thinner.
4: It paddles strangely well? I'm not sure if this is the case and further evaluation is needed. I don't know if there were just no currents to fight or what, but it seems to paddle more efficiently than the other one. It just seems to slide though the water easier, but then again that could be due to currents or lack thereof. I'll find out after a few more rides.
5: The more curvy bottom rocker definitely helped. This came out of a 5'3" blank. The other was a 5'4" out of a 5'9". This is a 5'3" out of a blank that was like 5'3.25" on a straight tape pull or so, aka I used the entire blank. There's not exactly more rocker, it's just not as flat.
6: I can see how this won't be as good in bigger waves. I think this has better smaller wave performance for sure, but I think it'll be quite loose in more powerful, faster moving waves. Maybe not as a 3 fin though, I'll have to try. I've had the old version out in overhead barrels, and honestly the best barrel I've gotten was on that board. I'll keep that board in the rotation as a toy for winter for sure, but even after this short test I can conclude this new one will be my new everyday ride.
7: It seems easier to stay attached to this board when hitting the lip and leaning over a lot, on my forehand at least. I think this is related to the board but also the fin setup. I think the quad allows it to pivot as quickly as I want it to so it doesn't get away from me so much, whereas the 3 fin arrangement had a longer turn radius without being forced. Could be the board is lighter or something else. Who knows...
Overall I think it's a keeper. I didn't really get to go backhand so I'm waiting on that. It's funny because my usually spot usually produces rights and I'm goofy, but I got like two and they sucked. I'm eager to see how it hits the lip on my backhand. I did manage this weird, nose up floater sort of move. If it's anything like the forehand feeling than I'll be happy. Maybe this weekend.