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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

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1st of all, the shape was perfect, exactly what I wanted.



I get lucky and hit one every now and then........... thanks

Good to hear from you!

Please fill in the locale where you put most of your miles on that board, and some info regarding your other
boards you use for comparison (and how you get them).

Also, does anyone want me to see if I can get the ''Baron'' (second post back) to put up pics of his blue tint
done-in-the-vacuum-bag 6'10''?
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GregTate's picture
Joined: 03/18/2004

Well, yeah. More pic's. And I might have a personal interest in that one. thx

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

I've contacted the Baron and he'll post up some Mentawis pics for us to drool over.

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baronvonrashke's picture
Joined: 10/21/2004

In regards to Mike's comment, I wouldn't say that anyone would actually drool over these photos but here are a couple that were close enough to show the board. We got better photos from my first trip to Mentawais but didn't have the Coil with me then. Just a few amateur shots of a old guy having fun.

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paulcannon's picture
Joined: 03/25/2008

sick hack bro

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

The Baron moves a lot of water on his turns. He can load up a board pretty good.

As mentioned, that 6'10'' is a blue tint done in the Coil Construction process. In the vacuum bag, no squeegee at all.
Probably should re-post that on the ''resin tints and patterns'' thread. I don't think anyone other than Coil can pull that one.

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SharkBoy's picture
Joined: 02/02/2005

Mike,

Just out of curiosity, do you have any way to calculate volume, like in litres? I have never bought or owned a surftech but I do find it interesting that they give you the litre measurements.

i'll PM you later and start talking about that comp groveller my quiver needs.

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

I was doing volume before surftech, and I used cubic feet as my measure. They came along and used the sailboard industry
standard of liters. It's easy to convert, one cubic foot equals 28.32 liters. Your board is what, like .85 cubic feet? (my records
are at work). Just multiply .85 x 28.32 and that will give your volume in liters for comparison purposes.

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jeff's picture
Joined: 05/01/2004

He surfs better every year ! I keep getting worse!

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

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He surfs better every year ! I keep getting worse!



We're trying to fix that by getting you off those longboards!!

But I know what you mean, your cousin the Baron can be disgusting to surf with. Speaking of longboards, first time I ever surfed
with him he was on a log. I was paddling back out after what I thought was a pretty good one and he took off about 100 ft away and
set up a nice little section coming right at me. He cross-stepped to the tip and hung heels as he went past, then back-pedaled into a cuttie.
I didn't have much to answer that so I just tried not to fall off the rest of the morning.

But your whole family seems at home on or in the water. How many world record billfish have you rigged for and wired? You're the
guy that catches those fish, the guy in the chair is just a human winch. Being wire man on 1000 lb plus fish requires a lot of skill and
large attachments.

(It's my thread, I can hijack it if I want...)
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hackeysaky's picture
Joined: 03/22/2004

Josie Graves:



Appears to be a Coil to me... Mike, can you verify?

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

Yeah, that's a Coil. Kirk Brasington shape.

Just blowin' up lips in Nicaragua.

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hackeysaky's picture
Joined: 03/22/2004

I recently rode my coil quadvertible as both a quad and a 5-finner (small, low-slung trailer in the back, pushed all the way foreward in the fusion plugs). The quad was crazy fast and maneuverable as usual, but I felt the need for a little more bite and hold since I was taking off and back-dooring some sets that were peaking and draining on a shallow sandbar/rip. I therefore tried adding a small center fin (wide base, but short height- not a stock FCS fin, but something that came on a fishy Kechle I bought a long time ago) pushed all the way foreward in the center FCS fusion plugs.

I found the 5-fin option to be super drivey and it provided a positive, locked-in feeling, boosting my confidence in those suck-out drops. No pics at the moment, but I'll try to take a pic of this fin setup in the near future.

It ALMOST felt too stiff with that fin setup, but the amount of push I could lay into turns and cutbacks makes me think it is a very viable option when conditions warrant. Maybe this is the feeling people speak of when they rave about Griffin's 5-fins. I could really push the turns off the top with no worry of flushing the fins out.

I think my next step will be to lay up some fin panels and foil some tiny keel-like fins in an attempt to optimize the 5 fin combination(s).

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

One of these days you're going to ride that thing as a tri-fin, aren't you?

The 5-box set-up allows for a lot of versatility, and the opportunity to really investigate fin and fin combination
function. And of course you have the ability to tune the board to conditions or your personal taste. Been doing
more and more of them over the last few years.

Adding a small trailer to a 4-fin set makes perfect sense, IMO. It reminds me of the summer of '81, when Simon's
thruster burst onto the scene. We immediately started adding small trailers to our existing twin-fins, and noticed
the added control and stability that resulted from even the smallest of fins.

Lots of other five-combos to try, and I know you are getting armed with fins to do just that. Keep us posted....

But by this time next weekend, hopefully Bertha will be providing a chance to report on that 6'2'' ''normal'' 3-fin
you've got collecting dust.

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Joined: 09/20/2004

Sorry to bring this up from the (semi) grave, but Mike, what dims would you recommend for a 5'8" 170lb surfer in FL. I see that Sharkboy is my same measurements, but we hardly get the surf he does. I ask b/c there is a coil for sale on a forum that's 6'0, 18 3/8, 2 3/16. From Sharkboy's description of the uses for his board, it would seem that this type of board for someone my size wouldn't be suited to "normal" Florida surf. Any thoughts?

Matt

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

It depends on your bouyancy needs, and that's a "personal preference'' thing. That one is definitely
going to be on the low-volume side for 170 lbs, but I've got plenty of guys that ride 'em like that.
Ask the seller for the volume # (in cubic feet) that's written on the board back between the fins,
and then I can give you a better judgement. That's one of the good things about using the actual
volume in addition to the other dims....

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surferboy's picture
Joined: 09/20/2004

Would a cannibal coil have that? Because this was is a Cannibal. He also has one shaped by Brasington that does have the big CC lam but I can't see one in the pics of the cannibal. Thanks for the reply btw.

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

Only the boards that Kirk and I shape would have the volume numbers, sorry.

EM us [email protected] or [email protected] if you want to get one just for you.

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hackeysaky's picture
Joined: 03/22/2004

Mike,

I hear a friend of mine and Beck's ordered a board from you. Guy named Brent from Neptune, NJ. Too bad I did not know in advance, we could have tried to get my #4 shipped along with it. Can't wait to see what you came up with for him.

Additionally, if you want a laugh, google "coil surfboards" and see what comes up first on the list! We gotta figure a way to get the coil site bumped up to #1 and the review at www.eastcoastsurfer.com to at least play second fiddle!

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jeff's picture
Joined: 05/01/2004

A bit late but I had a great session on my 6'4 Coil during tropical storm Fay down here.
First time in head high waves and truly felt the board.The quad setup feels very controlled
with the Stretch fins.Alot of speed that carries through the turns.I love this one so much I think
my wife is jealous!

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riderofwaves's picture
Joined: 01/05/2005

So I finally picked up my coil today from a buddy's house(can't fedex to the dorms) When I saw how it was packed I thought "this guy is freaking cocky" needless to say the board was in excellent condition, dispite being the leftover board from a pro. When I first get boards the stoke is always that I have a new board, and if the shape or tech is something new there is interest in trying it out but I always keep things objective. Honestly i thought it would be like my previous eps epoxy, kinda skittery and corky, and that the sway feed back was the hype that came with firewires, before people started realizing not all their boards were being made by Master Burger, and weren't as magical as hoped for.
the surf waist- chest beach break with light offshores. deteriorating into waist high shorebreak with light sideshores. I had to resort to grom tactics with the high tide; catching the reforms from the outside mush burgers.

after getting dropped in on my first two waves. I got one to my self and pushed through the bottom turn and did a massive laid back hack in the pocket. definitely had a second or two of sliding side ways down the face. upon kicking out this guy was looking at me with some bugged out eyes which seemed to say "where the fnçk did that come from?" I don't know where the heck it came from, it is not normally something I can pull off.
next wave worth mentioning: chest high closeout, i take off and get a few pumps in and blow the tail out the back. this kinda took me by surprise, normally that is above my calibre. when the fins reengaged I got thrown. not the boards fault.

Enough of me bragging about what the board has let me do( I could go on but you should have the idea, a little grom asked if all the stickers I had yet to peel from the board were my sponsors)
the board at first seemed kinda skittery on the steeper drops but after two or three I learned to expect the instantaneous speed. The waves weren't really condusive to really laying into powerful bottom turns, the waves were a tad to fat and soft. On the soft bottom turns i was doing, I could feel the coil tech do exactly what the name implies : coil up and sling shot you up into the lip. Once slamming into the lip it would load up again and compensate for your body after the hit, like shock absorbers. it was almost as if were it stuck to your feet. On what would normally have been super long drawn out speed burning cutbacks, The board would let me get it on rail and then allow me to redirect it with out burning off all my speed, and whip it back around off the wash.
I don't know if I am ever going to get around to buying a sunova after trying this, unless Bert and Josh want to some how hook me up with a team riders trade in.

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gregloehr's picture
Joined: 03/22/2004

Nice report. As I think I've stated before, the Coil guys have something going. Thanks.

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

Thanks to everyone. A lot of testing, time, and development has gone into the
Coil Construction process. It's really nice to know that it's appreciated. When
the Brasington brothers started down this road, all they ever wanted to do was
make boards that helped people to surf better. Hearing that come back from
customers is what drives us everyday.

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Joined: 03/22/2004

Fresh (actually exhausted) from a full day of Hannah/Ike swell on my 6'2" Coil E-tail, could not be happier. Plan to put my experiences into words when I have time (at work) and energy (still trying to rehydrate and energize). Might have a few shots from the evening session, but waiting to hear back from the photog attempting to shoot the crowd and bear with the black flies on the beach...

This shot is the first from a sequence from a week ago (Sept 1st). Rode the quadvertible/"widerboard" as a quad-fin with experimental foreward fins (can't say more for now, but I like them a lot) . Nothing compared to yesterday's swell, but fun nonetheless.

The rest of the sequence is at rdj's blog page: http://surfboardpainting.blogspot.com/...8-greg-sakowicz.html

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Joined: 04/02/2004

Well Mike, aren't those Brasington boys a couple of graduates of the Magnolia Street Porch Monkey Madness School of Surfboard Design and Construction, good to see them going on to graduate degrees!

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MikeDaniel's picture
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Well Mike, aren't those Brasington boys a couple of graduates of the Magnolia Street Porch Monkey Madness School of Surfboard Design and Construction, good to see them going on to graduate degrees!



That would be PROUD graduates of the MSPMMSSDC! They always want me to tell you thanks (from them)
for giving them their first jobs in the surfboard biz. This is a nice public place to pass that along. I'm sure
they learned the same things I did working with you; craftsmanship, creativity, tool-making, and problem
solving. Not to mention all the cultural benefits of our surroundings....
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Joined: 03/22/2004

Looks like I got lost in the crowd and did not wind up with any good shots during the Hannah swell (there is at least one amusing one of me getting dropped in on and a left closeout, but that is about it). However, I was perusing the Surfline photo feature of the same swell and found a sequence of Noah Snyder riding what looks like a WRV coil. Slide 22. Good stuff, definitely worth checking out.

http://www.surfline.com/surf-news/hurricane-hanna-sends-pumping-surf-to-the-east-coast---with-more-to-come-september-sessions_18410/photos/1/

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MikeDaniel's picture
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http://www.surfline.com/...ions_18410/photos/1/


Noah (it's dark in there) Snyder charges!! I called him up to get the story on that one,
that is his 5'11'' x 18.75'' roundtail Coil. He had to bust through the foamball caused
by the almost-drop-in to get out the end, he said he was furiously calling the guy off.

The whole set of photos on the link is hot. The shot of Eric Oed is extra cool 'cause he's
riding a board his dad Johnny shaped in their garage. All you guys shaping boards for
your kids have something to shoot for!
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Another nice shot in the ''Hanna jolts Florida'' Kevin Welsh photo feature at
http://surfermag.com . Scott Bouchard has been riding Coils for about 5 years,
the 6'3'' he's got on a rail there has been to Indo twice and the North Shore at
least once in the year he's had that one.

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MikeDaniel's picture
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looks like some coils being ridden here
http://www.surfline.com/video/video_player/video_player.cfm?id=18819


Good eye! You guys are getting better at spotting my boards than I am.

Took me a couple of days, but I called Brendan Petticrew to confirm; and yes that is
a Coil. What's more, that's a stock board he found in the WRV store (I just shaped him
a custom yesterday). Really no surprise because there's no difference in our lam schedule
for team or stock boards.

You said Coils, plural. Is there another one I missed?
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hackeysaky's picture
Joined: 03/22/2004

Hey Mike, any chance you can jump in a time machine and shape and ship rdj's and my boards so we have them tomorrow for this swell from Kyle?

Although truth be told, I think my current E-tail will fit tomorrow's ticket nicely!

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Joined: 05/03/2007

No time machines available, but I hope you guys get it as good up there tomorrow as we got it today.
I could almost do my own ride report but I don't think it carries the same credibility as paying customers.
Let's just say I got a few good ones.

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wouter's picture
Joined: 04/23/2004

it aint bragging if you can do it... your own ride report !!
but i believe you dont remember your rides all that well, correct? more of a blur?
i would like to know, you have the most expereince of us all on them !
so you can also say what its weak points are, what the good point are, why you keep on experimenting to find an even better board, and what better means...

My forecast for this week is GREAT, finally water time for my 6.3*19*2.5/16 Coil 0.90cubic ft.
Cant wait, will also surf the board in french beachbreaks in oktober with some grp-x carbon fins.
Yooohoo

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surfercross's picture
Joined: 10/25/2006

Took out the coil after putting her away for a few months cause I have been tryn some other boards and I have to say that that coil that mike shaped for me is the best board in my quiver.White as fuk although it has some pretty deep foot wells in it now.I went for a surf with craftee in Hobe sound and I had a really great time it basically did everything that it should when I wanted it to.I felt very connected.It burys the sunova and the firewire.

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bobmarley's picture
Joined: 10/20/2005

How far down the coast are you? we should meet up for a surf sometime.. I usually surf cocoa pier but ill drive a ways for a good swell. Wouldn;t mind checking out your sticks and let you take a shot on one of mine

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

Thanks, Karl. That'll send me off to work with a spring in my step this morning. Technology CAN make boards ride better.

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rdj
Joined: 08/10/2004

Just ordered one from Mike! Can't wait to get on it with the fall and winter swells approaching!

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SharkBoy's picture
Joined: 02/02/2005

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1st of all, the shape was perfect, exactly what I wanted.




I get lucky and hit one every now and then........... thanks

Good to hear from you!

Please fill in the locale where you put most of your miles on that board, and some info regarding your other
boards you use for comparison (and how you get them).


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Joined: 02/02/2005

I don't know what happened there, anyways, this was my first custom in a while because I usually get my quiver as a handmedowns from the wct'rs when they are done with them. If i were to compare this board to some of those, the only difference to me is the spring out of turns (this one is a touch meatier as well because I don't always get to surf the perfect conditions they do and I sometimes have to surf with a 6/5mm wettie) and the durability is ridiculous.

the coil I had was made for Chest to Head x 1/2 and it works perfectly in that range. Even on hollow dredgier days. It's is now my 'go to' board in that range because I love the way that spring feels

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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

I was wondering what was up with that last post. You must have pushed the spellcheck button, a sure way to send a post to la-la land.

Anyway....

When sharkboy ordered his Coil, he told me where he usually surfed (it's a tour stop), and that he had a quiver of pro models
aqquired directly from their owners. So I knew our board was going to be compared to some pretty good surfboards. Those ultra
light glass-job PUs are the tour standard. They ride very different than a stock glass PU, which has at least twice as much glass
on the deckside. Our goal at Coil is to get that kind of ride, feel, and flex; and then take it one or two steps further. And to make
something that keeps that feel alive for a much longer time, and stays in one piece for a much longer time.

sharkboy tells me we're on the right track.

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Joined: 03/22/2004

I cannot really comment on "big" surf, but I have ridden that first Coil in a few OH (+1 to 3 feet OH) sessions, and it performed very well. Fast, locked in (barreling conditions), plenty of control, no chatter, etc. The lightness did not bother me one bit; the board stayed under my feet, reacted quickly, and performed well with no complaints.

Personally, I think that people who dislike the "too light" feeling of Surftechs (myself included) are actually feeling the light AND STIFF combo. I think light and flexible (like a Coil) yeilds a sensitive board that can absorb the small shocks and dampen what would be chatter in an equal-weight but stiffer board (Surftech, some handshaped standard epoxy boards).

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Joined: 10/21/2004

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Here's a question : how do they go in solid waves?

I stopped by Mike's shaping bay last night to check on a board he's shaping for me. While I was there he mentioned that I should chime in on the "Coil ride report" thread on Sway's. Long time lurker with a few posts. Originally signed on here in 2004 to comment about a board my cousin shaped (screen name "Jeff" above). I don't really have anything to add to the conversations regarding construction techniques, industry comings and goings, China, etc. so I just browse on here from time to time. Usually get the scuttlebutt directly from Mike to keep me a well informed consumer. Finally have something of value to add on Swaylocks.

Profile: 42 years old, 235 lbs, 6'2", unsponsored (although I did get a free T-shirt from MD awhile back), full paying customer. Somewhere around 12 boards in the quiver, most shaped by MD, from a 6'2" fish to a 10' tanker. Made the pilgrimage and moved to Hawaii after college to pursue my lifelong desire to wait tables (and surf, of course). Year and a half later I moved back to FL and joined the rest of the working world. Over the years since Hawaii, like most fellow East Coasters, I traveled extensively to Central America, Mex, PR, etc to feed the addiction.

I had Mike make me two PU boards (6'8" & 6'10 round pins) for my first boat trip to the Mentawais in May, 2005. Took two other PUs for backup, but wound up riding the MD 6'8 most of the trip. Probably one of the best boards that I've had, and I've had quite a few over the years.

Made my second Mentawais trip in September, 2007. Had Mike make me a 6'10" round pin Coil for this trip. Threw the other two PUs from the previous trip in the board bag. Keep in mind that our travel boards don't get a lot of water time here in FL, which is probably why I have a lot of boards (travel & FL). I also had another Coil (6'8" squash) which I think was Mike's second Coil Construction board that he shaped. Left that one at home since it was suited more for FL waves.

Well, this time the two MD PU boards (including my favorite 6'8 MD PU) never made it out of the board bag. Rode the Coil the whole time and loved it. I could go on and on about this wave and that wave, but probably the best testimonial I could give about Coil Construction boards was that I rode it the whole time. I didn't even bother to take the PU boards out of the bag when we went to Bali after the Mentawais. I could post photos, but really, haven't we all seen enough photos of perfect, uncrowed reef passes from there? Don't know if Kirk, Eric and Mike wanted me posting photos of the blue Coil anyway. No problem with the sun on the board while it sat in the rack on the aft deck (partial shade) for 12 days between surfs.

The three travel boards are tucked away in my closet (collecting dust) waiting for the next trip. In the meantime, back to the MD fish (unless of course, Jeff leaves his 6'4" Coil with me this summer while he's away). Great boards from a great group of talented craftsmen. Try one for yourself and see.

Back to lurking for the next four years...

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karl's picture
Joined: 09/14/2004

So SC, what went better, FW or Coil? Or did they just go differently?
Karl

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surfercross's picture
Joined: 10/25/2006

Well that is hard to say because the fw and the coil aren't identical in there shape.Both of those boards go great though.I have surfed the coil in waves that were about 6 feet overhead and it rode really good.It flowed from rail to rail very smoothly and there is never an issue with chatter on winchop waves.Mikes nows how to shape and combined with the coil process you get a solid board.

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Joined: 03/20/2004

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Ah yes the coil.Craftee put the idea in my head to try out a coil from MD.I thought hell yeah it is epoxy and is the man knows how to shape so I put in my order.I talked with MD about the the board and he asked me what I liked and I believe I said just shape it how you want to shape it.About a month later I went to his shop with craftee and picked up the board and met Mike and I believe Kirk.The board looked sweet but we all know that it is really how it rides.It just so happened that there was a nice chest high swell and I was able to surf it in some pretty fun waves at place called cherynobols.The board went great and I had no problems adapting.I could feel the flex for sure and I remember doing one turn that really took me off guard.I came up to the top of the wave to rebound off the white water that was coming at me and really buried the rail and the board created its own rocker to fit into the wave and it pushed me out with greater speed.My friend John was said that he couldn't believe that I made that section.I was just as suprised as he was.These kinds of boards that have engineered flex can be hard for some people to get used to but coming off surfing my firewire for 1 1/2years has helped me learn how to use the flex to my advatage.I have had some of the best waves of my life so far on that board.They laso work great for airs.You just laod up the board on the bottom turn and release when you get to the top of the wave.My board has pretty big foot wells in it but I see those as a benefit.They help to hold your foot in place.No dings and white as hell.There you have it if anyone has a specific question about my experiance I will be more than happy to answer!!!!



Hey Mike! Where's my commission?! 40% will do.
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MikeDaniel's picture
Joined: 05/03/2007

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Hey Mike! Where's my commission?! 40% will do.




We may have to negotiate on this one, is 40% the standard fee?

Seriously, I do appreciate it. There's a lot of Coils in the water down there because of Karl
blowin' up on that thing. One of his friends told me he HAD to get one because Karl was
leaving him in the dust so badly. That's music to a shaper's ears. Pretty good compliment
to Karl's surfing also.
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Joined: 03/18/2004



Coil uses different densities of EPS for different applications, mainly to tune flex characteristics.

BTW, when you rode Casey's fish, how did he have that thing finned?

i like the answer that is not really an answer - hush hush - i understand! it really is a great construction - dont want to give it away!
the fish had MR style twin fins. really loose! Casey said he had some Rasta keels for it that he thought would work good for bigger waves but they were stiff in the small stuff. He was owning the little peak we were surfing together on it!

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benr's picture
Joined: 03/02/2006

Oh oh pick me I'm rough on boards!
I take good care of them don't abuse them keep them out of the sun and the heat but they still fall apart.
6'2" 275 pounds of board crushing fun.
7'6" - 8' 22"-23" wide 14"-15"tail 13"-14" nose 2.5"-3" thick!
Swallow tail big boy thruster fish or quad.

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rodbldr's picture
Joined: 05/27/2008

Hello everyone,
Took me a while to get around to posting. I have two MD Coils right now, a 6'3" thumb tail thruster and a 6'1" swallow quad. I have the 6'3" set up with Future EA Blackstix and the quad is set up with Future RTM Stretch Quad fins. I have been riding the boards for a few months now and recently spent a few weeks in Nicaragua giving them a serious workout. I can confirm that all the positive reviews here are not hype. These boards have a very distinct "feel", they are very smooth under your feet. When you put 'em on a rail and aim for the lip you can really feel the extra burst of speed up the face. And after a critical maneuver in the lip they recover very nicely and maintain speed. I've been riding a lot of custom epoxies by some well known shapers and these are better by a pretty good margin. Oh and they are tough, I don't even have a small crack or shatter on either board...just the usual foot dents. Great boards...thanks Mike!

Art


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