A few observations after 4 sessions on my new board
- GREAT ride
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0. no time for readjustment needed, a great custom shape.
Just have to remind myself about putting my back foot on the tail again.
1. gains speed easily when pumped -- i can feel the board flex and go forward, similar feel to a Bufo board, but stiffer/quicker energy return
2. short arc turns, although the rocker seems pretty low.
3. light - easy to do big topturns.
4. no more bogging rails!!
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1.. pretty big foot wells after 4 sessions though, i wonder how those affect the longevity of the coil?
thanks mike! i love it and will destroy the board within 2 years i guess, it is now my go to board when waves are bigger than shoulder high
October 18-26 testing it in France... praying for good swell
6.3*19*2.5/16
What kind of surf have you gotten for those 4 sessions? I can't wait for you to get that board in some OH French barrels!
Re the footwells: First off, we've got some new tech options coming that can minimize it, if that's what you want. Second, most good
surfers I know LIKE footwells, it locates the stance and puts your feet closer to the control surfaces. Third, performance is our focus.
All of our ''durability'' is just a byproduct of getting the optimum fiber combination in the skin. And if you're putting wells in quickly,
that just tells me that you're turning hard and surfing with power. All good.
Mike
pretty variable conditions really
but 1 day was pretty good, not the best we get, but good.
1st session was the day i got it, really weak waves, 3 foot, 4 foot, i got a few under my belt that day. I love it when the wave stands up a bit, when the surface is steeper, cleaner, then its just a ferrari... so easy to drive though, unlike a ferrari.
2nd time was 1 month!! later, day before yesterday. We got overhead conditions with jacking lips and speedy breaking sections. So now i was either flying down the line, with the occasional lip smash, felt good, but the waves were not super consistant. The 2 sessions i had after that one, were of lesser quality, and pretty short, just average shoulder high conditions. I get all the turns connected with ease, just have to manage that damn speed. After the 2nd session i scraped all the wax of, then did an acetone job, and stuck a grippad on, just to be able to really manipulate the speed well. Wax can be tricky when you make power moves.
All in all, absolutely great!
Hopefully we get some pics or vids in France that i can post, words are so boring.
btw, i surfed the G-am fins, glass fibre, not the plastic stuff.
CIAO
Wouter
What a good problem to have, huh? I hear that a lot. You'll get used to it.
One story about that. Team guy in Nicaragua filming for Fuel TV. Surfing a point break with some hard to make sections.
He told me he was going so fast on his Coil that he felt out of control, so he switched back to a poly board. The guys who
were filming started yelling at him to get back on ''that other board'', they could SEE the difference in his surfing. Once he
got adjusted he said he was making sections he didn't think he'd make, etc. I wanna see the footage!
it is true, you find yourself out on the part of the wave that has not broken, and you suddenly need to make a cutback! whoa! you have to step up to surf it well, you have to think quicker...
you somehow are obliged to make huge hacks and smacks, to bleed off speed.
Where IS that footage of Nicaragua?
As per Mikes request, here are some shots of my new Coil. Hackeysaky and I took delivery on two new Coils yesterday that show a bit more of the technology hidden inside. I'm so stocked on this board I almost made my girlfriend sleep on the couch last night so that I could sleep next to it and dream of getting shacked on it. Mike shaped me a step-up board for head to overhead waves with round tail, thinned rails, and convertible quad/thruster (aka quadvertible) fin set-up. I asked him for a board that would get me in early on days when it's big, steep, and throwing, and it looks like he hit the nail on the head here. Looks like we have a south swell that may build in this weekend and give me and Hackeysacky a chance to test em out. Until then here are some pics of the sexy b#tch. Pics don't even do it justice, it's just too damn sexy!
my only schtik with coils(and all really light boards) is when the wind is 25mph offshore you have to be perfectly placed on the board to adjust for the head wind in the take off. Normal EPS has the problem a little worse than coils though.
my only schtik with coils(and all really light boards) is when the wind is 25mph offshore you have to be perfectly placed on the board to adjust for the head wind in the take off. Normal EPS has the problem a little worse than coils though.
Ride them short and performancy (or a bit more narrow-nosed at longer lengths... you know, typical step-up/gunny oulines) and there is not problem (rode one of mine in gusty offshores recently and no problems).
As for being perfectly placed on the board... well, shouldn't that always be the goal?
Just curious (not being snippy), have you ridden a coil for a basis of comparison, of is your last comment theoretical?
I own, ride and love team riders trade in board. 5'10"x18x2x11 1/4" nose 14" tail(don't have a long enough straight edge here at school t measure rocker) On PU/PE you have a little wiggle room(be an inch to far forward to far back) with placement for when you whip around in a crowd real quick to snag a wave when someone kooks out. The COIL I find you have to be on mark when the winds are whipping. I surf NJ in the winter, and it's pretty empty unless you go to some well known spots, it is always unjustifiably crowded here in Wilmington NC
I haven't experienced the problems you describe with my Coils, but I am familiar with the issue from other (both PUPE and EPS) boards.
I've also surfed plenty of crowds, and am familiar and utilize the spin-and-go under-the-lip takeoff (even when not crowded).
I do ride some low-vol boards for my h&w- I like to "swim" them into the wave and hate excess volume; if not needed, eliminate it is my approach to board design and selection. The aforementioned problem boards all had too much volume, particularly in the foreward half of the boards.
I also did specifically tell Mike that I hate boards with too much float foreward of the chest, so I think he might shave a little foam off the front end of my boards to help get them over the ledge a little earlier and better.
I've seen/heard this time and time again, so I think it could be a design (board was second hand, not custom shaped to you and your specs, correct?), not a materials, issue (?)
EDIT: please read into this as a mental exercise/friendly debate and NOT an argument. I'm just stretching my synapses but acknowledge that my straightforeward statements can come off a bit harsh when typed and posted on the www.
yes the spin and go under the lip seems to be an NJ standard with those sneakers sets and the shifting peaks that we have.(what I woudn't give for good NJ to appear here in southern NC) We arn't too different here in our board preferences. The thing is this board is pretty darn close to identical to other PUPE's I have ridden and is not far off my other boards dims(all within 1/8's of an inch) Though I will say the two times I have ridden in stiff offshores were in really crappy dumpy beach break on my back hand(which is awful cuz I almost always surf those goregous NJ south swells) and after I had not surfed stiff offshores in quite a while. That might be the issue.
Hackey, I am quiet familar with the way the internet can turn friendly intellectual inquiry into harsh seemingly d-bag statements. I would also like to say I really enjoy your post as you seem to be on a similar wave length as I am and have similar taste in what we like to see in surfing as well as a similar geographic location(when I am not at college)
how was that last run of surf?
I'm 5'9" 170 lbs but keep in mind this board has to serve me through a winter of 4/3, 5/4 and even *gulp* 6/4 wetsuits. My standard DD dims are 6'2" x 19 1/4" x 2 1/2". I tend to prefer a bit more foam than others my size. Hackeysaky is taller and heavier than I am and his boards are chips compared to mine. I hope to order a DD from Mike to replace my CI Flyer next summer and go with a tad less float than my standard dims.
Steve, I didn't weigh that one before it left my hands, and I doubt Rick has an accurate scale. I can
give you a good ''estimate'' for that volume and lam schedule - about 2.6 kilos. (5.5 to 5.75 lbs)
We weigh boards on digital scales, weights are useless unless they're accurate. The carbon/spectra
board we did last year was 4 lbs dead. A stock 5'8'' x 2'' comes out just over 4 lbs. A 6'0'' x 2 1/8''
will be just under 5. At the other end, a 7'0'' minigun with Hawaii lam schedule will be 7 - 7.5 lbs.
That wrap looks like carbon tow woven very loosely... am I correct?
Looks damn sexy. Is its placement more for flexural properties or
durability (pressure dings and rail impacts?).
That wrap looks like carbon tow woven very loosely... am I correct? Looks damn sexy. Is its placement more for flexural properties or durability (pressure dings and rail impacts?).
Not carbon, but a synthetic fiber with different properties. Carbon is too brittle for this application. The placement serves both of the functions you referenced.
Ah yes Mike Daniels a true master shaper.Well let me tell you guys something.Mike let try a 5'10" thruster with those same synthetic fibers.Just so everyone knows I have a Griffin thruster on the way.Well after riding that coil I really don't think that a board could be any better.I have never felt so connected to a board in my life.I know your like what the f## is this guy serious but I am.I does everything,it has speed ,manuevureabilityand quickness.Catchin a rail pumpin not gonna happen.The release when I come off the top is totally predictable and front side reverses are second nature on this biscuit.I have surfed on it for 2 weeks on waves ranging from knee high to overhead and it feels like the same regardless of the wave size.Whatever those guys are doin they have it dialed in.Congrats to Mike on his hard work payin off I know it has to feel good to make other people happy!!!
that board there looks DEAD sexy...just my dims too...
need another board like I need another hole in my head but man....
said I wouldn't buy boards any more; making my own that are more durable is quite rewarding, but this seems like design and construction all wrapped up in to a singular package for surfing pleasure.
And I forgot to mention that there were a lot of WRV/Coils at the "Battle of the Banks'' contest held day before
yesterday on the Outer Banks. Photos are popping up all over the 'net, worth looking at even if you don't want to
pick out the Coils, cuz the waves were kinda good....
Been riding this one for a few sessions, first couple as a quad, last as a twin.
and man. get one while you can, feels AMAZING.
Best experience was shoulder high waves, it flies, you pump it twice and fly past the sections, and... surfing beach breaks, tend to be long. what can i say? i love it. try one if you can to find out yourself !!
This board was the result of a thread that Wouter started about what kind of board would be good for the windswell mush he's frequently confronted with in the Netherlands. Since we know a little about making the most out of conditions here in Florida, he took a chance and ordered this 5'9'' springfish, his second Coil. Now he's pinballing sections and breaking speed limits and his shaper is stoked.
No worries, I remember being a college student and having to save those pennies. We'll be looking forward to doing one for you. I'm getting more orders from west coast guys all the time. Shipping is very reasonable, which helps a lot.
There's still at least a couple of Swaylockers/Coil riders out there that haven't posted on this thread. Since it's back up, now's the time! (hint, hint)
Picked up my new coil yesterday from Kirk and he gave me a little tour of the coil shop and I was impressed with how clean and organized it was.I was not shown the secret stuff that makes these boards go so good.He did show me the shaping room and he had a shaped blank for a fellow that lived in Trinidad.The blank was real flexible and couldn't imagine how the hell you shape a board when it constantly wants to bend away from you when you are makeing cuts on it.
So I get my new board and it looks real good!There was a good swell in sebastian but by the time I got to the beach the wind was on it.So I jetted down to sebastian inlet and it was night and day better.I suited up put my fins in put some wax on and paddled out.It was about chest high and the tide was gettin lower so It was just goin to get better.The board went REAL good just like the other boards I have gotten from Coil and Mike!!The board and I felt in harmony right from the get go and that makes one happy mother [email protected]#@#@.The waves were steep and punchy and there were some head high waves so I don't want to hear that there aren't any waves in florida.You know who you are haters!!I ill post up some pics as soon as I can.
Got my 6-0 by 21.25 Coil fish quad a few months ago. I had been thinking about the project for a while and just fell into it with Mike Daniel. Very glad I did. Mike has been building fish since, what '72, Mike? Are you about to get the hang of it? ha.
First time out it was like my first HS girl friend, very white, short, a little unstable and noticably loose. Mike "urged" me to go short and I did. Thankfully. I'm 57 years old and I may be 58 next year, so paddling a board that short had me worried. But, dang, I had a good first session on it. Felt like it had potential and really felt like I was a stud riding such a short board. You many remember my whinning thread about not being able to catch waves on, what, a 6-6? or 6-8? Well, I got over it. ha. Told Mike that this was like that small dress a women buys and goes on a diet to wear. I have really put the effort into riding that little thing, and could not be happier with myself.
Any way, I've had it out in head high and smaller several times now and am confidently catching waves and aquitting myself well. I like it a lot. I'm not able to pump it with the twin fins, but it is plenty quick. And I can do the pop and go to catch with it very easily. Can't do that with my conventional 7-0. Why is that?
I'm riding it as a twin now, but I will be flpping back and forth between quad and twin to see the diff.
As a builder, I am in awe of the tech and the quality. It is so white, I can't look at it very long on a sunny day.
I'll tell ya, never thought I'd be riding a 6-0 at my age. My goal is to do 360's before summer is over. I am not making this up.
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Just logged in to email Mike about my first session on my newest coil, but figured it would be fitting to post it here.
The board is a very shaved down version of the previous thruster.I pushed Mike to minimize volume (0.75) and maximize concave (full single) and rocker (lots of it in nose and tail).Made for handling late drops and hollow beachbreak when NJ turns on; you know the pics that get plastered up on the 'net whenever we get a good South swell.
We had a little bonus wave yesterday- E “background” swell in the stomach-high range with well-spaced chest+ super sets and much lighter (0-5mph) than originally predicted onshore winds.Not the wave for which this board was made, but I know of a few standout breaks that are off the beaten path and magnify small conditions such as these into punchy waves.Wave type was typical of a “finger” sandbar- a real drop, followed by a short bowl, then finishing off in either a closeout or a peter-out as the line ran into the deep area to the side of the bar.
While I would have likely paddled out on a fish or my Coil widerboard/quadvertible, the new board was begging for attention (and Mike has been begging for feedback, but I've had a run of bad luck missing swells lately), so I decided to make a go of it.
The board actually paddled perfectly (Mike- you hit the volume and distribution of foam on the button on this one) and handled the mini elevator-drops very well, felt fantastic when the waves bowled up for the first half of the ride or so, and still had the other features in check to pump and pop through the weak sections once the line backed off into a softer shoulder as I entered the inside deep hole. The board was very positive/engaged when pumping it down the line and very submissive when needed- I tried a variety of maneuvers, everything between hard carves and loosey-goosey tailslides and reverses and the performance of the board was spot-on.
No pics, no evidence, no nothin’ of the session though; my apologies.I was all by my lonesome save for the lady walking her dogs on the beach, one of which took a piss on the fish I had stuck in the sand in case the shortie did not work out; I never needed to touch that second board, but did need to wash it off before sticking it back in the car!
So, in summary, even though the waves were not the ideal track on which to test this hotrod, I got to feel out the engine and the handling enough to know that this board is the frickin’ bomb and I’m salivating over the next swell like a junkie fiends his next fix.
Just popped in to see what you guys were reporting on Mike's boards. Greg Tates simile refering to his HS girl friend had me laughing my ass off! I won't ask Greg to compare Mike's fish to my fish he rode a year ago. The only similarity is we both share the name Mike. Very funny, Greg. You guys are having fun. Keep it going. Could yah'all post some more photos? Mike
Mike, riding your fish with you was the genesis for the fish MD built for me. Mine is much thinner and has Futures quad boxes, but I owe you one for gettting me thinking. That was a great time, even if I was in boots, hood, gloves and a 4/3.
Funny, I took my wife down to that beach later in the day to see the area and shop on the way. There was a guy skinning it. everyone else had full gear. Crazy.
Did you ever do anything with those carbon keel fins?
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Hackysacky, that sounds like a very small board. What do you weigh? I will post a pic or two, but I think my fish is 1.1 ft3. Which I thought was thin. But now think is just fine.
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I am 6'0" and range between 175 and 185 lbs. Still quite fit and energetic for my age (32).
Additional factors to consider are that I was a competitive swimmer for much of my young life, a lifeguard every summer until a few years ago, a competent bodysurfer to boot, and am freaking obsessive about the mechanics of both boards and the waves themselves.
The board of which I speak in this thread is 6'1.5" x 18.75" x 2.25" with a very domed deck and thinned tail. I will take and post some pics in the next few days.
I generally prefer very submissive boards with thin rails to engage and utilize those little power-pockets present in most waves, even small ones. I think "sharkboy" has vocalized similar preferences in the past. There was a small-waves thread a while ago in which I posted a very short, wafer-thin twin+trailer fin that takes this concept to the extreme.
Also keep in mind most of the waves, even the smaller ones, I ride are very top-to-bottom and have some oomph this time of year. When it gets fuller or mushier I have other boards to do the job.
I'd be glad to discuss these concepts further, but don't want to redirect this thread. Let me try to find that other thread, maybe that would be the proper venue.
anyways, Noah Snyner his [i still have old school RIP-videos of that man] comments on Coil Industries Surfboards IS that they are *just right - with a little extra*
lesser surfers like myself feel the same way, picture of Noah Snyder
Mike shaped me a 'widerboard' shorty back in the late fall.
I ordered in the first week of november and had the board in my hot little hands by Thanksgiving! Talk about being on the ball.
I haven't chimed into this thread because we've had a pretty slack winter for waves this year. I've probably ridden the board twice in 'good' waves and bunch in 'bad' waves.
I really really like the board. It has a different vibe from the Griffins I ride. The ride incorporates a noticeable lifting sensation (single con?) and its super quick (lightness).
On the good days I could feel the board load on hard turns. Great feeling.
NOTE: in my opinion the construction tech is peripheral. The key is Mike Daniel being a bad a$$ shaper who knows how to build a high perf board.
Oh, the dims are 6'1'' x 19.5'' x 2 3/16'' and I forget the volume (.91 cu/ft maybe?). Weight... not sure, maybe 5.5lbs with fins and pad.
I am the same dims as hackeysak except 1 year younger and probably more buff... hehe.
Wow! Gaining the coveted ''hohar labs seal of approval'' is certainly a milestone in the history of Coil Industries.
Do I get another ''hehe'' with that?
Great illustration of how two guys the same size and weight (I'm not even gonna discuss ''buffness'' dif between Sak and Hunter) diverge re volume preference. That's why I keep track of these things.
I am the same dims as hackeysak except 1 year younger and probably more buff... hehe.
You tawkin' to me? You tawkin' to ME?
You gots an attitude like that, you gonna git a tawkin' to by me and MY boys. Capice? We'll be seein' you at da club and learn you some respec.
* please note the above image and text are both a stereotype and misrepresentation of the majority of the NJ populace, particularly the coastal residents. While such characters and their personalities are indeed factual, they are a minority and should be considered the "bad apples" that spoil the basket. :)
I'm lovin' all the humor here, you're welcome to do that on my threads anytime. But it's makin' me get behind on responding, too busy laughing. So now it's time to catch up....
surfercross: I'm sorry I wasn't available when you came up last weekend, but it worked out pretty good that you got to see our factory and talk to Kirk. Re shaping the unstringered eps; Kirk and I have a bunch of tricks and special tools we use to make it behave. If you get around to posting some pics, put up one or two of the ''tuscany board'' as well as the new one.
sak: Stoked we got the volume and rail foil right on that little blade. Next time there's drainers up there I expect pics!
rooster: When I was talking GT into going with a 6'0'', he did mention that he'd ridden your board at a Sways get-together. I went, ''See, you can do it!'' So you are indirectly responsible for Greg's second childhood.
GT: You'll be doing those 360s soon if you keep coming over here every weekend. I think you've been surfing more than me and that's starting to piss me off. Re your takeoff question (why you can pop and go on the 6'0'' but can't on the 7'0''); just a theory but I think it's easier for the wave to ''pick up'' a smaller object when you're taking off right in the lip. Ever notice how little kids seem to automatically catch the wave if they're anywhere near the capping portion? Don't take that to the bank, however. Modeling what's going on in the upper third of a breaking wave is one of the most difficult jobs in science, and that's where we are when we're taking off.....
Hunter: Are youse buyin' a plane ticket for sometin ''sleeker'' or is dat for da Banks? (geez, I'm talkin' like sak now). Either or both, I got what you need, right here! (there I go again).
I've had 3 good sessions in a row on my coil over the last 3 days. Now that I'm out of a wetsuit, the dims are really perfect.
In bowly little waves without 10 extra pounds of rubber the board is unreal. I don't want to ride anything else.
I've gotten accustomed to the weightlessness of the board in floaters and foam climbs, so that isn't an issue anymore.
It is particularly good backside... makes my backside surfing feel natural and lively whereas I'm usually a little awkward.
Get this... 31 and I finally landed a little air reverse the other day! I couldn't freaking believe it. The featherweight coil makes it so much easier to get above the lip.
Mike: the next one will be for getting on the plane. I want something primarily for solid PR... good wilderness/domes/dogmans type stuff... pretty big and powerful but not all that top to bottom... you know what I'm talking about of course... travel lam schedule... I want to be able to dry dock it on the reef (kidding)! I'll get with you on this soon.
You guys do realize they make things called digital cameras, right?
Quit yapping and start snapping. We want pics!
Not to take away from the sicktitude of the Coil construction process, but it sounds like Mike Daniels is excellent in the regards of listening to his customers needs.
Welcome to Swaylocks, Art. Nice shot at the Nicaraguan point break.
I'm glad the boards have worked so well. Thanks for posting.
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A few observations after 4 sessions on my new board
- GREAT ride
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0. no time for readjustment needed, a great custom shape.
Just have to remind myself about putting my back foot on the tail again.
1. gains speed easily when pumped -- i can feel the board flex and go forward, similar feel to a Bufo board, but stiffer/quicker energy return
2. short arc turns, although the rocker seems pretty low.
3. light - easy to do big topturns.
4. no more bogging rails!!
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1.. pretty big foot wells after 4 sessions though, i wonder how those affect the longevity of the coil?
thanks mike! i love it and will destroy the board within 2 years i guess, it is now my go to board when waves are bigger than shoulder high
October 18-26 testing it in France... praying for good swell
6.3*19*2.5/16
What kind of surf have you gotten for those 4 sessions? I can't wait for you to get that board in some OH French barrels!
Re the footwells: First off, we've got some new tech options coming that can minimize it, if that's what you want. Second, most good
surfers I know LIKE footwells, it locates the stance and puts your feet closer to the control surfaces. Third, performance is our focus.
All of our ''durability'' is just a byproduct of getting the optimum fiber combination in the skin. And if you're putting wells in quickly,
that just tells me that you're turning hard and surfing with power. All good.
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Mike
pretty variable conditions really
but 1 day was pretty good, not the best we get, but good.
1st session was the day i got it, really weak waves, 3 foot, 4 foot, i got a few under my belt that day. I love it when the wave stands up a bit, when the surface is steeper, cleaner, then its just a ferrari... so easy to drive though, unlike a ferrari.
2nd time was 1 month!! later, day before yesterday. We got overhead conditions with jacking lips and speedy breaking sections. So now i was either flying down the line, with the occasional lip smash, felt good, but the waves were not super consistant. The 2 sessions i had after that one, were of lesser quality, and pretty short, just average shoulder high conditions. I get all the turns connected with ease, just have to manage that damn speed. After the 2nd session i scraped all the wax of, then did an acetone job, and stuck a grippad on, just to be able to really manipulate the speed well. Wax can be tricky when you make power moves.
All in all, absolutely great!
Hopefully we get some pics or vids in France that i can post, words are so boring.
btw, i surfed the G-am fins, glass fibre, not the plastic stuff.
CIAO
Wouter
''just have to manage that damn speed''
What a good problem to have, huh? I hear that a lot. You'll get used to it.
One story about that. Team guy in Nicaragua filming for Fuel TV. Surfing a point break with some hard to make sections.
He told me he was going so fast on his Coil that he felt out of control, so he switched back to a poly board. The guys who
were filming started yelling at him to get back on ''that other board'', they could SEE the difference in his surfing. Once he
got adjusted he said he was making sections he didn't think he'd make, etc. I wanna see the footage!
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it is true, you find yourself out on the part of the wave that has not broken, and you suddenly need to make a cutback! whoa! you have to step up to surf it well, you have to think quicker...
you somehow are obliged to make huge hacks and smacks, to bleed off speed.
Where IS that footage of Nicaragua?
I think I'll start telling all my customers that they are ''obliged to make huge hacks and smacks''.
Maybe we can make it part of a contract you sign when you get your board.
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Hey Mike, are you guys letting the cat out of the bag yet?
(I think you know where I'm going with this question).
Haha, I just made a funny... bag... vacuum bag...
As per Mikes request, here are some shots of my new Coil. Hackeysaky and I took delivery on two new Coils yesterday that show a bit more of the technology hidden inside. I'm so stocked on this board I almost made my girlfriend sleep on the couch last night so that I could sleep next to it and dream of getting shacked on it. Mike shaped me a step-up board for head to overhead waves with round tail, thinned rails, and convertible quad/thruster (aka quadvertible) fin set-up. I asked him for a board that would get me in early on days when it's big, steep, and throwing, and it looks like he hit the nail on the head here. Looks like we have a south swell that may build in this weekend and give me and Hackeysacky a chance to test em out. Until then here are some pics of the sexy b#tch. Pics don't even do it justice, it's just too damn sexy!
Beautiful looking sled.
Love those dims.
What is your height/weight and how much does that board weigh?
Cheers, Steve
my only schtik with coils(and all really light boards) is when the wind is 25mph offshore you have to be perfectly placed on the board to adjust for the head wind in the take off. Normal EPS has the problem a little worse than coils though.
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Ride them short and performancy (or a bit more narrow-nosed at longer lengths... you know, typical step-up/gunny oulines) and there is not problem (rode one of mine in gusty offshores recently and no problems).
As for being perfectly placed on the board... well, shouldn't that always be the goal?
Just curious (not being snippy), have you ridden a coil for a basis of comparison, of is your last comment theoretical?
I own, ride and love team riders trade in board. 5'10"x18x2x11 1/4" nose 14" tail(don't have a long enough straight edge here at school t measure rocker) On PU/PE you have a little wiggle room(be an inch to far forward to far back) with placement for when you whip around in a crowd real quick to snag a wave when someone kooks out. The COIL I find you have to be on mark when the winds are whipping. I surf NJ in the winter, and it's pretty empty unless you go to some well known spots, it is always unjustifiably crowded here in Wilmington NC
I haven't experienced the problems you describe with my Coils, but I am familiar with the issue from other (both PUPE and EPS) boards.
I've also surfed plenty of crowds, and am familiar and utilize the spin-and-go under-the-lip takeoff (even when not crowded).
I do ride some low-vol boards for my h&w- I like to "swim" them into the wave and hate excess volume; if not needed, eliminate it is my approach to board design and selection. The aforementioned problem boards all had too much volume, particularly in the foreward half of the boards.
I also did specifically tell Mike that I hate boards with too much float foreward of the chest, so I think he might shave a little foam off the front end of my boards to help get them over the ledge a little earlier and better.
I've seen/heard this time and time again, so I think it could be a design (board was second hand, not custom shaped to you and your specs, correct?), not a materials, issue (?)
EDIT: please read into this as a mental exercise/friendly debate and NOT an argument. I'm just stretching my synapses but acknowledge that my straightforeward statements can come off a bit harsh when typed and posted on the www.
yes the spin and go under the lip seems to be an NJ standard with those sneakers sets and the shifting peaks that we have.(what I woudn't give for good NJ to appear here in southern NC) We arn't too different here in our board preferences. The thing is this board is pretty darn close to identical to other PUPE's I have ridden and is not far off my other boards dims(all within 1/8's of an inch) Though I will say the two times I have ridden in stiff offshores were in really crappy dumpy beach break on my back hand(which is awful cuz I almost always surf those goregous NJ south swells) and after I had not surfed stiff offshores in quite a while. That might be the issue.
Hackey, I am quiet familar with the way the internet can turn friendly intellectual inquiry into harsh seemingly d-bag statements. I would also like to say I really enjoy your post as you seem to be on a similar wave length as I am and have similar taste in what we like to see in surfing as well as a similar geographic location(when I am not at college)
how was that last run of surf?
Righton man, good to hear you "hear me".
When you are back in NJ maybe we can get together for a session.
Possibly a solid S swell and hard offshore winds setting up for Sunday. I'll report back with my observations.
I'm 5'9" 170 lbs but keep in mind this board has to serve me through a winter of 4/3, 5/4 and even *gulp* 6/4 wetsuits. My standard DD dims are 6'2" x 19 1/4" x 2 1/2". I tend to prefer a bit more foam than others my size. Hackeysaky is taller and heavier than I am and his boards are chips compared to mine. I hope to order a DD from Mike to replace my CI Flyer next summer and go with a tad less float than my standard dims.
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Steve, I didn't weigh that one before it left my hands, and I doubt Rick has an accurate scale. I can
give you a good ''estimate'' for that volume and lam schedule - about 2.6 kilos. (5.5 to 5.75 lbs)
We weigh boards on digital scales, weights are useless unless they're accurate. The carbon/spectra
board we did last year was 4 lbs dead. A stock 5'8'' x 2'' comes out just over 4 lbs. A 6'0'' x 2 1/8''
will be just under 5. At the other end, a 7'0'' minigun with Hawaii lam schedule will be 7 - 7.5 lbs.
All weights sans fins.
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Looks like the kitty's on the loose, as of Rick's post.
We're pulling the wraps off some new fiber combos, and doing it right here on sways.
Now I want you guys to ride 'em and report (with pics if possible).
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That wrap looks like carbon tow woven very loosely... am I correct?
Looks damn sexy. Is its placement more for flexural properties or
durability (pressure dings and rail impacts?).
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Not carbon, but a synthetic fiber with different properties. Carbon is too brittle for this application. The placement serves both of the functions you referenced.
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Ah yes Mike Daniels a true master shaper.Well let me tell you guys something.Mike let try a 5'10" thruster with those same synthetic fibers.Just so everyone knows I have a Griffin thruster on the way.Well after riding that coil I really don't think that a board could be any better.I have never felt so connected to a board in my life.I know your like what the f## is this guy serious but I am.I does everything,it has speed ,manuevureabilityand quickness.Catchin a rail pumpin not gonna happen.The release when I come off the top is totally predictable and front side reverses are second nature on this biscuit.I have surfed on it for 2 weeks on waves ranging from knee high to overhead and it feels like the same regardless of the wave size.Whatever those guys are doin they have it dialed in.Congrats to Mike on his hard work payin off I know it has to feel good to make other people happy!!!
that board there looks DEAD sexy...just my dims too...
need another board like I need another hole in my head but man....
said I wouldn't buy boards any more; making my own that are more durable is quite rewarding, but this seems like design and construction all wrapped up in to a singular package for surfing pleasure.
how are you pricing these things?
GWN, pm sent.
And I forgot to mention that there were a lot of WRV/Coils at the "Battle of the Banks'' contest held day before
yesterday on the Outer Banks. Photos are popping up all over the 'net, worth looking at even if you don't want to
pick out the Coils, cuz the waves were kinda good....
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Been riding this one for a few sessions, first couple as a quad, last as a twin.
and man. get one while you can, feels AMAZING.
Best experience was shoulder high waves, it flies, you pump it twice and fly past the sections, and... surfing beach breaks, tend to be long. what can i say? i love it. try one if you can to find out yourself !!
This board was the result of a thread that Wouter started about what kind of board would be good for the windswell mush he's frequently confronted with in the Netherlands. Since we know a little about making the most out of conditions here in Florida, he took a chance and ordered this 5'9'' springfish, his second Coil. Now he's pinballing sections and breaking speed limits and his shaper is stoked.
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Im still saving Mike... Im hoping I can get one before next winter (I save slowly ha).
No worries, I remember being a college student and having to save those pennies. We'll be looking forward to doing one for you. I'm getting more orders from west coast guys all the time. Shipping is very reasonable, which helps a lot.
There's still at least a couple of Swaylockers/Coil riders out there that haven't posted on this thread. Since it's back up, now's the time! (hint, hint)
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Picked up my new coil yesterday from Kirk and he gave me a little tour of the coil shop and I was impressed with how clean and organized it was.I was not shown the secret stuff that makes these boards go so good.He did show me the shaping room and he had a shaped blank for a fellow that lived in Trinidad.The blank was real flexible and couldn't imagine how the hell you shape a board when it constantly wants to bend away from you when you are makeing cuts on it.
So I get my new board and it looks real good!There was a good swell in sebastian but by the time I got to the beach the wind was on it.So I jetted down to sebastian inlet and it was night and day better.I suited up put my fins in put some wax on and paddled out.It was about chest high and the tide was gettin lower so It was just goin to get better.The board went REAL good just like the other boards I have gotten from Coil and Mike!!The board and I felt in harmony right from the get go and that makes one happy mother [email protected]#@#@.The waves were steep and punchy and there were some head high waves so I don't want to hear that there aren't any waves in florida.You know who you are haters!!I ill post up some pics as soon as I can.
OK, I'll bite.
Got my 6-0 by 21.25 Coil fish quad a few months ago. I had been thinking about the project for a while and just fell into it with Mike Daniel. Very glad I did. Mike has been building fish since, what '72, Mike? Are you about to get the hang of it? ha.
First time out it was like my first HS girl friend, very white, short, a little unstable and noticably loose. Mike "urged" me to go short and I did. Thankfully. I'm 57 years old and I may be 58 next year, so paddling a board that short had me worried. But, dang, I had a good first session on it. Felt like it had potential and really felt like I was a stud riding such a short board. You many remember my whinning thread about not being able to catch waves on, what, a 6-6? or 6-8? Well, I got over it. ha. Told Mike that this was like that small dress a women buys and goes on a diet to wear. I have really put the effort into riding that little thing, and could not be happier with myself.
Any way, I've had it out in head high and smaller several times now and am confidently catching waves and aquitting myself well. I like it a lot. I'm not able to pump it with the twin fins, but it is plenty quick. And I can do the pop and go to catch with it very easily. Can't do that with my conventional 7-0. Why is that?
I'm riding it as a twin now, but I will be flpping back and forth between quad and twin to see the diff.
As a builder, I am in awe of the tech and the quality. It is so white, I can't look at it very long on a sunny day.
I'll tell ya, never thought I'd be riding a 6-0 at my age. My goal is to do 360's before summer is over. I am not making this up.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
That's just damn funny. Def props and future ''best of sways'' nominee....
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Just logged in to email Mike about my first session on my newest coil, but figured it would be fitting to post it here.
The board is a very shaved down version of the previous thruster. I pushed Mike to minimize volume (0.75) and maximize concave (full single) and rocker (lots of it in nose and tail). Made for handling late drops and hollow beachbreak when NJ turns on; you know the pics that get plastered up on the 'net whenever we get a good South swell.
We had a little bonus wave yesterday- E “background” swell in the stomach-high range with well-spaced chest+ super sets and much lighter (0-5mph) than originally predicted onshore winds. Not the wave for which this board was made, but I know of a few standout breaks that are off the beaten path and magnify small conditions such as these into punchy waves. Wave type was typical of a “finger” sandbar- a real drop, followed by a short bowl, then finishing off in either a closeout or a peter-out as the line ran into the deep area to the side of the bar.
While I would have likely paddled out on a fish or my Coil widerboard/quadvertible, the new board was begging for attention (and Mike has been begging for feedback, but I've had a run of bad luck missing swells lately), so I decided to make a go of it.
The board actually paddled perfectly (Mike- you hit the volume and distribution of foam on the button on this one) and handled the mini elevator-drops very well, felt fantastic when the waves bowled up for the first half of the ride or so, and still had the other features in check to pump and pop through the weak sections once the line backed off into a softer shoulder as I entered the inside deep hole. The board was very positive/engaged when pumping it down the line and very submissive when needed- I tried a variety of maneuvers, everything between hard carves and loosey-goosey tailslides and reverses and the performance of the board was spot-on.
No pics, no evidence, no nothin’ of the session though; my apologies. I was all by my lonesome save for the lady walking her dogs on the beach, one of which took a piss on the fish I had stuck in the sand in case the shortie did not work out; I never needed to touch that second board, but did need to wash it off before sticking it back in the car!
So, in summary, even though the waves were not the ideal track on which to test this hotrod, I got to feel out the engine and the handling enough to know that this board is the frickin’ bomb and I’m salivating over the next swell like a junkie fiends his next fix.
Just popped in to see what you guys were reporting on Mike's boards. Greg Tates simile refering to his HS girl friend had me laughing my ass off! I won't ask Greg to compare Mike's fish to my fish he rode a year ago. The only similarity is we both share the name Mike. Very funny, Greg. You guys are having fun. Keep it going. Could yah'all post some more photos? Mike
Mike, riding your fish with you was the genesis for the fish MD built for me. Mine is much thinner and has Futures quad boxes, but I owe you one for gettting me thinking. That was a great time, even if I was in boots, hood, gloves and a 4/3.
Funny, I took my wife down to that beach later in the day to see the area and shop on the way. There was a guy skinning it. everyone else had full gear. Crazy.
Did you ever do anything with those carbon keel fins?
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
I am 6'0" and range between 175 and 185 lbs. Still quite fit and energetic for my age (32).
Additional factors to consider are that I was a competitive swimmer for much of my young life, a lifeguard every summer until a few years ago, a competent bodysurfer to boot, and am freaking obsessive about the mechanics of both boards and the waves themselves.
The board of which I speak in this thread is 6'1.5" x 18.75" x 2.25" with a very domed deck and thinned tail. I will take and post some pics in the next few days.
I generally prefer very submissive boards with thin rails to engage and utilize those little power-pockets present in most waves, even small ones. I think "sharkboy" has vocalized similar preferences in the past. There was a small-waves thread a while ago in which I posted a very short, wafer-thin twin+trailer fin that takes this concept to the extreme.
Also keep in mind most of the waves, even the smaller ones, I ride are very top-to-bottom and have some oomph this time of year. When it gets fuller or mushier I have other boards to do the job.
I'd be glad to discuss these concepts further, but don't want to redirect this thread. Let me try to find that other thread, maybe that would be the proper venue.
Hey Sak, you guys fully have my permission to discuss ''these concepts'' further on this thread. It's very pertinent to our design philosophy at Coil.
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just loving it,
whrere is the M in Coil??
anyways, Noah Snyner his [i still have old school RIP-videos of that man] comments on Coil Industries Surfboards IS that they are *just right - with a little extra*
lesser surfers like myself feel the same way, picture of Noah Snyder
p.s. edit: who is building his house there!!!???
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coil rules!!!!!!!!!!
Mike shaped me a 'widerboard' shorty back in the late fall.
I ordered in the first week of november and had the board in my hot little hands by Thanksgiving! Talk about being on the ball.
I haven't chimed into this thread because we've had a pretty slack winter for waves this year. I've probably ridden the board twice in 'good' waves and bunch in 'bad' waves.
I really really like the board. It has a different vibe from the Griffins I ride. The ride incorporates a noticeable lifting sensation (single con?) and its super quick (lightness).
On the good days I could feel the board load on hard turns. Great feeling.
NOTE: in my opinion the construction tech is peripheral. The key is Mike Daniel being a bad a$$ shaper who knows how to build a high perf board.
Oh, the dims are 6'1'' x 19.5'' x 2 3/16'' and I forget the volume (.91 cu/ft maybe?). Weight... not sure, maybe 5.5lbs with fins and pad.
I am the same dims as hackeysak except 1 year younger and probably more buff... hehe.
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Wow! Gaining the coveted ''hohar labs seal of approval'' is certainly a milestone in the history of Coil Industries.
Do I get another ''hehe'' with that?
Great illustration of how two guys the same size and weight (I'm not even gonna discuss ''buffness'' dif between Sak and Hunter) diverge re volume preference. That's why I keep track of these things.
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You tawkin' to me? You tawkin' to ME?
You gots an attitude like that, you gonna git a tawkin' to by me and MY boys. Capice? We'll be seein' you at da club and learn you some respec.
* please note the above image and text are both a stereotype and misrepresentation of the majority of the NJ populace, particularly the coastal residents. While such characters and their personalities are indeed factual, they are a minority and should be considered the "bad apples" that spoil the basket. :)
Hey Greg,
Yah, you can see your fins on an eps fish I made and posted in the Show me your keels thread. You'll recognize them. Mike
Mike... hohar labs seal of approval for sure... it's like ASME certification--but better.
When my T cell count gets back up let's talk about something sleeker.
Sak... awesome! I have no adequate response to that.
Instead of East Coast AB3 or fish fry, we should have a Coil get together on the outer banks. If its flat, Sak and I could fight for entertainment.
hunter
I'm lovin' all the humor here, you're welcome to do that on my threads anytime. But it's makin' me get behind on responding, too busy laughing. So now it's time to catch up....
surfercross: I'm sorry I wasn't available when you came up last weekend, but it worked out pretty good that you got to see our factory and talk to Kirk. Re shaping the unstringered eps; Kirk and I have a bunch of tricks and special tools we use to make it behave. If you get around to posting some pics, put up one or two of the ''tuscany board'' as well as the new one.
sak: Stoked we got the volume and rail foil right on that little blade. Next time there's drainers up there I expect pics!
rooster: When I was talking GT into going with a 6'0'', he did mention that he'd ridden your board at a Sways get-together. I went, ''See, you can do it!'' So you are indirectly responsible for Greg's second childhood.
GT: You'll be doing those 360s soon if you keep coming over here every weekend. I think you've been surfing more than me and that's starting to piss me off. Re your takeoff question (why you can pop and go on the 6'0'' but can't on the 7'0''); just a theory but I think it's easier for the wave to ''pick up'' a smaller object when you're taking off right in the lip. Ever notice how little kids seem to automatically catch the wave if they're anywhere near the capping portion? Don't take that to the bank, however. Modeling what's going on in the upper third of a breaking wave is one of the most difficult jobs in science, and that's where we are when we're taking off.....
Hunter: Are youse buyin' a plane ticket for sometin ''sleeker'' or is dat for da Banks? (geez, I'm talkin' like sak now). Either or both, I got what you need, right here! (there I go again).
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I've had 3 good sessions in a row on my coil over the last 3 days. Now that I'm out of a wetsuit, the dims are really perfect.
In bowly little waves without 10 extra pounds of rubber the board is unreal. I don't want to ride anything else.
I've gotten accustomed to the weightlessness of the board in floaters and foam climbs, so that isn't an issue anymore.
It is particularly good backside... makes my backside surfing feel natural and lively whereas I'm usually a little awkward.
Get this... 31 and I finally landed a little air reverse the other day! I couldn't freaking believe it. The featherweight coil makes it so much easier to get above the lip.
Mike: the next one will be for getting on the plane. I want something primarily for solid PR... good wilderness/domes/dogmans type stuff... pretty big and powerful but not all that top to bottom... you know what I'm talking about of course... travel lam schedule... I want to be able to dry dock it on the reef (kidding)! I'll get with you on this soon.
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Re shaping the unstringered eps; Kirk and I have a bunch of tricks and special tools we use to make it behave.
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Being that this is a design forum how about sharing some tricks and tools tips for stringerless eps shaping?
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mag-lev dynamically adjustible inner diameter rocker beds!
You guys do realize they make things called digital cameras, right?
Quit yapping and start snapping. We want pics!
Not to take away from the sicktitude of the Coil construction process, but it sounds like Mike Daniels is excellent in the regards of listening to his customers needs.
Damn spies!! They're on to us!
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