OH+ waves, breaking really shallow, wide/thin board around 2 years old that has been ridden hard, my go-to board 90% of the time I surf. Lots of water moving around, lots of backwash, spinning under the lip takeoffs, lots of closeouts, lots of take-off-and-pull-in-and-see-how-it-goes tactics being employed. This board was build for smaller, more playful waves, but since it is my go-to board I am most comfortable, and most confident (maybe too confident at times) on it and pushed it into bigger, heavier surf than usual (also did not feel like running home to get my standard shortboard as I was very short on time). I put the board in a lot of bad (and a lot of good) places that day (and other days as well), so I suspect it was weakened just prior to the incident. Elevator-dropped into a dredger, set my bottom turn, board popped a little ahead of the foreward fin plugs.
Them’s the facts. Nothing (and no board worth surfing) is unbreakable. Did it turn me off Coil? Absolutely not. This board weathered a lot of storms and I put it through hell; she took a lot of abuse over the course of her life. I’ll be replacing it with another.
Oops I forgot. This is a board buying thread not a construction thread. Just interested what the board would have been that you didn't have time to run home and get? BTW I also heard that the small fish was some kinda pretty.
Oops I forgot. This is a rider reports thread not a deconstruction of proprietary manufacturing techniques thread. Just interested what the board would have been that you didn't have time to run home and get? BTW I also heard that the small fish was some kinda pretty.
Well here are some pictures of the new board in use. The conditions were not that great but my wife managed to get a few pictures. We discovered the sport mode on the camera so hopefully there will be better pictures to post in the near future.
Dave, I think this is more of a rider-report thread (just look at the title) and not a construction thread, per se. Of course, a little construction/materials cost comes into play though.
Look at it this way, would you rather have a single Coil thread, or would you rather Mike D. post multiple threads about individual boards (look, here we have another Coil, this time it is a 6'2" instead of the 6'0" previously posted) or infiltrate and hijack numerous other threads about alternative construction (both methods have been employed by other swaylockers that seem to get a pass for these transgressions). You appear to have an axe to grind with the Coil guys, which I won't humor, but I'll gladly discuss what I know about the boards regarding shape and performance.
Not sure what "...was some kinda pretty" means, maybe it is a typo, but I'm assuming you may mean that it is pretty or is pretty *something*. If you would like, I'll take and post up some shots of that fish (there are a few of it on here already, but not the critical profile shot that features the extreme foil of the fish).
Board of choice for that day would have been my 6'2" Coil: more rockered, a half inch narrower, an eighth inch thicker, deeper single concave, made to handle more size, steeper drops, and hollower conditions than the widerboard.
"some kinda pretty" is southern for "extremely nice or special" It is totally complimentary in nature. For example, one might say your little grom-ette above is 'some kind of pretty.' ( as by the way is mine, who is 3 now and catching some waves too!)
I have a 5'9'' springfish as you know. I've been dragging on chiming in on it on this thread, mainly because all I have to contribute about it right now is total stoke-froth. It is the only board I've ridden for a month (basically since I got it). I've had some of my best waves in years on the springfish.
I've owned and ridden alot of top flight boards. I've had multiple griffins, multiple pavels, channel islands, blah blah...
At this point I'm thinking the springfish may be my best ever ( see... froth froth) but I need to keep taking it through the paces before I full on review the board.
Hey Hunter, haven't heard from you in a while. Good to hear your family is doing well. Anyways, I just got new Coil today, Mike and I had a little bit of a scare, it seems Mike wrote the wrong dims on the bottom, and since there was no tape measurer around, I took those numbers to be the truth. Right of the bat he admitted he probably miswrote the dims and if he misshaped the board he would make it right. Fortunately for both of us, the board is spot on. Currently I am cuddling with it waiting to go to either the OBX or the Jersey shore for the weekend. When the room mates get back I am going to borrow a camera and post some board porn. Standby for ride reports.
Ok been putting this off long enough. I bought a 6'5" step-up Coil from Mike about a year ago. It's a great board and I was really impressed with the Coil construction. This summer I decided I wanted to get a good wave shortboard. Basically for about stomach to head high and semi-clean to glassy conditions. A board that would really shine in good surf. Talked with Mike and we decided on a blend of his Widerboard groveler and Qualifier pro model.
I was planning a trip out to CA that involves a work trip and then a surf trip driving down the coast from SF to SD. Had some valuable help in the planning from afoaf. The trip was getting closer and it's around the time Mike said the board would be ready. Of course Murphy's Law strikes and about 3 days before the trip Mike emails to say the board is ready. Figures. I tell Mike about the trip and he gets stoked on the idea of shipping to me while I'm out there. Perfect! So off I go excited to test drive my new Coil on my CA road trip. When I get to CA I check the package tracking and it's scheduled to arrive the day after I'm leaving the hotel by SF and driving into Big Sur. I call up Mike and him and Kirk are going nuts on the phone with Fedex trying to figure out what happened because their shipping method should have had it to me before I left the hotel. I have to give credit to these guys for customer service because they really jumped on this and were in contact with me constantly. We figured out that that what would likely have to happen is that the package would have to travel it's route to the hotel, then be picked up again and shipped back to NJ. It wasn't really a huge issue because I had brought a small wave board with me and they were shipping it back to my job where it would be waiting for me when I got home. But... the day I check out of the hotel and go to work I happen to check the package tracking and it said "DELIVERED". Holy crap! So I haul back to the hotel, pick my new Coil and I'm stoked to start the surf part of my trip! Again, gotta hand it to Mike and Kirk. These guys were practically ready to fly out to CA and rescue the board if that's what it took. I really appreciated their effort.
But on to the board. When I unwrapped this board the first thing I thought was how DAMN SEXY it was. The outline just screamed, peeling jersey south swell to me. Perfect outline, rocker, and foil. I could go on about all the spots I surfed it, but I'll touch on my two favorite waves. Morro Bay was where it really lit up for me. CA was getting a south swell which means all lefts. It was semi-glassy and 3 - 4ft maybe 5ft on set. Nice long peeling lefts. I had the k2.1 performance core fins in. They really felt good in the board. Not too much fin, not too little. I really hate lefts, but I was able to carve and do a really hard cutback. The board is so light and lively, you feel that flex off the bottom turn and it returns the input you give it. Walking from the parking lot by the rock down to the beach I got a lot of looks and even heard a guy in a group surfers say, "check that thing out". So the Coil tech really was peeking some interest.
Next spot is Blacks Beach. My favorite break in SoCal. Beach breaky goodness just like home. Again it was all lefts and maybe head high. This board paddled great, and caught waves with ease. Bottom turns were smooth and controlled and carving was second nature. I was really wishing I had some rights, but the day was all lefts.
This weekend we had a low of the coast blowing hard ENE for several days kicking up a nice chest to head high swell for Saturday. East swells by us are notoriously closed out, but this was a weaker windswell so it was just peaky enough to get a mix of rights and lefts. Lefts were staying open a little longer, but I was determined to get some rights on the Coil. This time I dropped in the Stretch quad set. Conditions were a little bumpy and choppy and the waves had a good wobble on them. But even so, with the board set up as a quad I was able to beat sections, turn some hard carves and even smack a few close out lips. I could just tell how the board would be so MONEY in a nice lined up south swell, which is exactly what I wanted. A performance board for good waves. I could feel the speed difference with the quad set in there. No hard bottom turn necessary, just drop and take a high line for speed. If I was traveling somewhere that I knew I would be getting some good waves, this is the only board I would need to bring with the K 2.1s and the Stretch quads I'd be set for anything up to a foot or two overhead. Lately I mostly shape my own boards for waves under head high, but I wouldn't consider anything but Coil and Mike for a straight up performance shortboard. Just can't recommend it enough.
Here's a few pics of the new stick.
Just a follow up on this board. Hands down the best juicy wave board I have ever owned. I've had it out in low tide head high dredging barrels and a few feet over head lined up bombs and it keeps amazing me what I can do on this board. I make waves with steep pitching faces that I never would on any of the other boards I've owned. I drop on waves where I'm almost sure I wont make, and still make it. Sunday evening it was overhead, stacked up and just bombing. Really tough paddle out. Waves were kinda funky because the clean up wasn't complete, but there was very little surface texture. I didn't miss a single wave on this board. Best wave was about 2ft overhead. It had a nice ramp and dropped in. With the quad set installed I got instant speed on an angled take off. Started carving to shed some speed and get back into the pocket of the wave. Then I noticed the wave I was on begining to intersect with another wave (part of that funkiness still going on). I took a high line for speed and headed straight for pocket created by the intersection and bash right into the lip. Came out of that pocket and carved up the remaining wave. One of the best waves I've had in a long time. Low tide at my home break has been so dredging lately. When out one day where head high+ waves were breaking on a waist deep bar. You could see the sand getting pulled up in the wave as you dropped in. Hackysacky had one of the sickest barrels I've ever seen that day. I made some ridiculous drops on my 6'1" that I can't believe I stuck. Mike worked some magic with this board. I really need to force myself to put back in the thruster set on the next dredging day because I think it might open up the board even more in those conditions. I tend to rely on the built in speed of a quad so I'd like to feel it out as a thruster some more. This board has really made me want a widerboard. I want to do what I have been doing in bigger surf, on the smaller days as well. Saving my pennies.
I got a Springish around the same time Hunter did. Got a 5'7. I'm really stoked on the shape. I've never really had a shape like this and it's brought some life into my small wave surfing. I feel like a grom again in small waves. I've had a twin "old school" fish and some small wave shortboards, but nothing that bridged the gap like this. It really blends the ease of paddling of a fish with the control that I like of a shortboard. I've ridden it in Knee to Waist high on up to 1 foot OH and the things works great in those conditions. It really is a "go to" board for pretty much everything we get in SNC. Really haven't had it out on any day where I felt uncomfortable or wish that i had another board.
I've got a SoCal trip coming up in November for work and I think I just may ship her out there and give her a go at some of the pointbreaks out there (depending on size and shape). I bet she would go really good at Trestles, C-Street in Ventura or maybe Rincon. I'll definitely keep you guys posted on that. I've got a couple buddies out there who are wanting to give it a go too. Don't know if i'll give it up on a good day at any of those spots.
On another note, I'm looking to do a shortboard (qualifier type) with a thumbtail and 5 fin setup. Really jonesing about that one... Mike, you'll be hearing from me in the next month or so on that one.
Wish I had some more "tech" type ways to describe the board, but all I can say is that I'm stoked and all the credit goes to the guys at Coil.
My Uncle is a photographer (and really likes taking shots of surfing), so I'm hoping to get him down here to get some pics of the Coil(s) in action.
Thanks to Mike and the guys at Coil!!!! Another stoked customer!
I've been meaning to post on this for a WHILE. Mike made me a SICK 6'0 almost 9 months ago I think? When they first started using the black material on the boards.
The board comes out to - 6'0 x 18 3/8 x 2 1/4, wider nose, narrower tail, flatter nose rocker, abit of 'kick' in the tail. Widepoint is even moved up alittle bit. Unique board me and mike came up with.
The board is FAST. It straight-up RIDES OUT. If the waves have any kind of push, theres no down-the-line BS, straight down, fade and right back up. It almost 'pushes' back. The harder you push, the harder the board 'jumps' back up the face / fwoards the pocket.
I'm almost dissapointed I've grown away from riding 'standard' shortboards/ I started riding a 5'6 Merrick POD style board a while ago and fell in love with the thing. Jumping on my coil now, which is 6" longer, makes it feel like its 1' too long.
I'll be getting a 5'9 or a 5'10 made sometime soon. Even shorter, even wider, even faster... call ya sometime mike. I lost your ##, broke my phone, you know my e-mail...
I got to ride the new coil this weekend up in NJ. It the swell was weak and I hadn't surfed in a month so further testing is going to be required. Mike nailed the rail volume perfectly, I went from my last coil, that was .66 cubic ft, to .72 cubic ft and I can finally lay the board on rail and bring it all the way back with out bogging. It feels glued to my feet, I can't really say much about the board as I still have to adjust to not being able to throw it around like it is nothing(which the previous board was), and I need some wave to push back so I can really feel if I like the new fiber on the rails. Stay tuned.
ps that Brendan Buckley kid from that link rips, I have seen him come within a hairs width of pulling a rodeo flip on a thigh high windchop wave. He is by far way better than all the other "supergroms" you see come from Northern NJ.
Mike More testing is required before I can make that call.
Quit being so serious. ;) I was joking that it might ride like a 5'10'' since that's what I wrote on it....
Don't worry, we tested the grid fiber for almost a year before introducing it. Kirk and Eric wanted to make really sure that it only enhanced the feel of the boards.
Since we've made a few boards for some of the Sways crew (and more on the way), it's time
to have a place to post those ride reports.
So if you've got a Coil Construction shooter shaped by either Kirk Brasington or myself, or if
you've stolen your friend's for a few waves, here's your chance to talk about it...
Just back from my first trip to real waves, Bali
i only took with me the 6.3*19*2.5/16 coil [actually 6.3.3/4" over bottom]
it was great surfing really good waves
though, more difficult than i had thought, so much power!! first surfed at Uluwatu, later in the same week at Balangan
it was easy catching waves up till well overhead at Balangan, Ulu [shortened by ozzies?] was different
the coil is basically made for good waves, with a little extra width and float, and i could really use that at Ulu
man what power!! that wave is sick.
Needless to say? the coil went great. Especially at balangan, which has a semi close out section [you can see that maybe in the picture] where you need to go real quick. The coil never let me down!
but, i must say silly was right about a bigger board, at Ulu i had trouble getting in on the waves at the Bombies section, where waves were coming in on the best day at maybe double overhead, everbody was on mini-guns, and i was falling down the face of the wave on my 6.3. definately a bit sketchy, that is where i missed the pin for stability and the volume of a floatier board for catching those ocean swell waves that just pounded their way over the reef. there was this one older ozzie whom i saw surf this amazingly blue, deep, clean pit. never saw something like that before, and it is great to see! i was lucky enough to just paddle out, and see him fly through it. it aint easy i can tell you that now! i had more trouble surfing the waves. once you get used to the speed it gets easier, but i only surfed some 10 or so sessions of which 4 at ulu, and 5 at balangan, and 1 at medewi [not on the coil]
anyways, the coil does justice to those waves and has a lot of speed, that you must wash off somehow, but this time no big hacks and bashes by myselves, more of a flowing surf, it was more difficult than i though
oh, and the board had touched the reef, but there only some 15 pressure lines on the deck side at the nose, surely a poly would have broken!
thanks Mike, hope to get a nice smaller wave board one of these months....
I was watching om formula one racing today and there is a system that was used by some teams to get some extra boost out of the car by using braking energy to power a flywheel.It is called kers,kinetic energy return system.That is exactly what the coil boards do for my surfing.They store energy from your turns and release it.Damn good shaper Mike Daniel with damn good tech from the Brassingtons.Keep up the good work Mike!I feel that Coil will some day crush they other tech companies for sure.
That means a lot coming from a skeptical-by-nature engineer who's explored a lot of build tech on his own. We try to let the surfboards do the talking most of the time. Our boards aren't complex enough for some people, I guess. No bells and whistles or add-on parts. Foam, fiber (most of it NOT glass, though), and as little resin as possible. The recipe and the process tuned for max performance through connected-to-your-feet feel and flex response. Many years and thousands of boards experience to optimize the structure.
But I started this thread because it matters not what I say, unless the boards back it up in the water.
Okay, so I finally got some surf, and didn't have the flu.(we had good surf last week but I was running a 102 fever) It was waist-chest east coast scale, side shore winds about 10kts. I hadn't surfed since my last post on here and before that it was the beginning of september last time we had waves here. The board worked fantastically. Went vertically with no trouble and held in the turns really well, but would release and drift when it should have. It covered the flat sections much better than my last 4 boards. The board felt super solid, even more so than my last coil. I let my friend try it for a few waves and I just felt like if i were to ride his beat PU the way I was riding the coil, it would snap. Having the confidence in the construction made me willing to do bigger turns in sections I would have raced before. The board did not seem to flex as much as my last coil, maybe it needs to get broken in or it may be that the grid stiffens it up a little or that 1/8" thickness difference created the extra stiffness? It was not overly stiff, it was like a very freshly glassed ultralight PU/PE. The weight was comparable to an ultralight PU ( with in the 1/10th of an Oz)
I never cease to be amazed at what surfers will do to help each other get a very possibly 'magic' stick before heading off to some obscure and promising surf destination............this has been going on for all time and completely devoid of the fact that the time and effort put into such an endeavor lacks significant profit or gain............it is a true attestment to a brotherhood that many feel is extinct or fallen along side the road long ago.
Perhaps we all continue to help each other to such extraordinary lengths because the real world is so uninspiring and mundane, that those of us that are confirmed 'escapists' are far more realistic toward what man needs and thirsts for than the average land loving homosapien?
She came in almost 2 weeks ago,Right before a solid combo swell I rode the board in 4-6'(w/some bigger clean up sets) Very pleased!! board is exactly what I was after. Paddles well Tons of speed off the drop Amazingly quick direction change Took a big drop with full rail bottom turn and snapped it right back under the hook Butter smooth round house cutties I haven't ridden a non fishie type in ages and this board felt great
I never cease to be amazed at what surfers will do to help each other get a very possibly 'magic' stick before heading off to some obscure and promising surf destination............this has been going on for all time and completely devoid of the fact that the time and effort put into such an endeavor lacks significant profit or gain............it is a true attestment to a brotherhood that many feel is extinct or fallen along side the road long ago.
Perhaps we all continue to help each other to such extraordinary lengths because the real world is so uninspiring and mundane, that those of us that are confirmed 'escapists' are far more realistic toward what man needs and thirts for than the average land loving homosapien?
Long live custom!
(And thanks, DS. You know the feeling, You can't put a dollar value on satisfaction, but we'd be rich if you could...)
OK. That was funny. I've never used one on my boards. I stick a lump of wax back there to indicate where to put my foot, but technology moves on. Who knows? Maybe one day we'll use ropes tied to ends of our boards to keep them from .... I don't know.....floating off when the grandkids play on them? nah.
like
0
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
I cracked up on the ''shower mat'' comment too. I have a bunch of boards with traction, a bunch without. It kinda depends on how hard I'm gonna try to push the tail around.
This board is 5'10'' x 21,5'', 1.17 cubic feet. Flat bottom to a slight V off tail. Staged foil to heavily thin tail. A lot of volume is ''hidden'' on center, so most of the deck is domed quite a bit.
GT, you should do some more ride report, then I can talk about fiber choices, etc.
That kevlar springfish looks great, I even really like the color!
Mike- rode the rockered-out shortie in clean OH+ East groundswell yesterday. It was one of those days where nowhere was working that well (due to swell direction and extreme low tide) except this one little spot I keep tucked in the back of my head for such conditions. Clean but critical waves, took muscle and committment to catch and make the drop and pull in. Looked a lot like those outer-banks pics of Noah you have sent to me in the past. Paddle-outs and paddle-backs that wear you down. The board worked very well, so much that I did not touch my bigger back-ups in the car.
No shortage of swell up there the past few days, huh? Kirk does a lot of boards similar to your ''rockered-out shortie'' for guys surfing some of the Caribbean's nastiest reef breaks. It'll find a home in the barrel.
I mostly wanted to see how Mike foils the tails on his fishes because he frequently reminds us DIY guys to thin out the foils on our fishes. It's hard to tell from the photos, but it looks like the rocker near the tips accelerates as it slides off the back. Is that true? I'd really like to see the foil on one of your fishes, Mike, if possible. Is there a link I could check out? Mike
BTW to all: Bert Rutan would just array the reinforcing fibers on the
structure per stress analysis, skipping the weaving, etc. altogether.
He's our hero. We're trying to save up the $5 mil or so we'll need to take this step. So far we have $26.17.
Hey I have the same shower mat on mine too! Actually my Coil fish is very similar to Mike's sans the kevlar. It's 5'8" x 21.25 x 2.5 and .96 cu ft and I'm 5'9" and 180lbs. I've had it for a few months now so I've got it pretty dialed. I've ridden it in mostly soft waves up to head high. It generates a lot of speeed on takeoff...once you give it that first pump you are flying. It is very thin in the tail area and this allows you sink the rail and turn much faster and sharper that you would on a more conventional fish. I can do floaters and vertical lip smacks on this board with ease. It's truly a high performance board in all aspects. With the quad setup I have right now(Future Controller Quad) I can push this board as hard as I possibly can and it will not slide out....but it's very loose and free feeling when you are coming off the top. I've ridden other fish and this board is my fav so far. I just wish I had one of these when I was 15 and hopping around in waist high mush on my thruster!
Mike...how does the kevlar "feel" compared to a normal Coil? Is it lighter?
rodbldr, not only are you a better photographer (nice pics) than I, you're also better at describing the kind of ride characteristics I'm trying to put in the shapes! And then Coil Construction gives 'em ''life'' and toughness.
The kevlar is normal weight, and a little stiffer. I shaved the tips even more than yours to get a little pop back - so far so good. It feels like a Coil.
I have 2 coils that I am goin to post some pics of later.These 2 boards bring the very best of my surfing skill to the surface.It is like thinking about something and it just happens through instinct.It feels as if the board is velcroed to my feet.I have done bottom turns on these boards and never had the fear that I was going to spin out.I was instead projected from the bottom to the top with such speed that roy would have been proud.I felt like I could destroy the wave when I wanted without fear of falling.That shit doesn't happen enough!
Mike shapes a board that can't be defined by how happy they have made me.I know that I am not the only 1 either cause I have friend that has coil pretty similar to my thruster and he loves his board so much that he if something happens to Mike he won't be able to get another board and he has ridden all the top names just like I have!
Almost everytime I go out to surf somebody is lusting on how clean the board looks.Its a great feeling to have that in my possession!
Congrats to you Mike!You didn't need to hype your boards cause your customers experiences take care of that!
I would also say that Mike is just part of the equation.The Brassingtons unique glassing makes the boards perfom at a level that has made me excell and also not have to worry about going for that dumping closeout barrel that is breaking in about a foot of water.
I promise the pics will be up by friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rooster, I didn't mean to forget your foil shot question. I don't have one of the kevlar 5'10'', but here's one of a 5'4'' grabbed from the ''carbon spectra'' thread. It's similar.
This is grasshopper's report on that board from early on in this thread. The kevlar board has more volume for guys like GT and I that are, hmmm...., a ''little'' older. But the last few inches of the tail are very close to the same.
"I rode my buddy Casey's 5'4 fish you shaped for him - I believe there might even be a photo of it on sways somewhere. Anyways - I was very impressed with the shape - VERY unconventional - my first though after looking at the board was "what is this thing?! no way this will have enough foam/glide for me" Basically a skimboard with fins but with a camelhump of foam under the chest. But as soon as the tiniest wave came (it was tiny) it would glide right in and get up on a plane - very snappy feeling to it on turns - i guess that is due to the extremely thin tail/rails coupled with the coil construction - flex and response flexback. It was very cool to see a guy out there doing this for a living shaping something so far out there - especially since IT WORKS!"
Greg or Mike, or anyone that's used the Hynson quad set. Any reviews on them?
Really good fins, IMO. Have used them in both wide-swallow fish designs and rounded squash tail alternative type shapes and they work great. Drivey yet snappy at the same time. Fast and responsive.
On another note...got word there should be a taco on it's way to my house going out tomorrow!!
That board is amazing to look at.I am glad to be part of that community.So Mike will this board represent the future of coil construction or was that made just for fun.I want one with that fabric!
that is the best looking fish i have ever seen! is there going to be a shot of the the board upside down so we can see the bottom contours ? what fins are those?
Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 copy and paste issues, see response below.
OH+ waves, breaking really shallow, wide/thin board around 2 years old that has been ridden hard, my go-to board 90% of the time I surf. Lots of water moving around, lots of backwash, spinning under the lip takeoffs, lots of closeouts, lots of take-off-and-pull-in-and-see-how-it-goes tactics being employed. This board was build for smaller, more playful waves, but since it is my go-to board I am most comfortable, and most confident (maybe too confident at times) on it and pushed it into bigger, heavier surf than usual (also did not feel like running home to get my standard shortboard as I was very short on time). I put the board in a lot of bad (and a lot of good) places that day (and other days as well), so I suspect it was weakened just prior to the incident. Elevator-dropped into a dredger, set my bottom turn, board popped a little ahead of the foreward fin plugs.
Them’s the facts. Nothing (and no board worth surfing) is unbreakable. Did it turn me off Coil? Absolutely not. This board weathered a lot of storms and I put it through hell; she took a lot of abuse over the course of her life. I’ll be replacing it with another.
Oops I forgot. This is a board buying thread not a construction thread. Just interested what the board would have been that you didn't have time to run home and get? BTW I also heard that the small fish was some kinda pretty.
Fixed it for you...
Well here are some pictures of the new board in use. The conditions were not that great but my wife managed to get a few pictures. We discovered the sport mode on the camera so hopefully there will be better pictures to post in the near future.
Dave, I think this is more of a rider-report thread (just look at the title) and not a construction thread, per se. Of course, a little construction/materials cost comes into play though.
Look at it this way, would you rather have a single Coil thread, or would you rather Mike D. post multiple threads about individual boards (look, here we have another Coil, this time it is a 6'2" instead of the 6'0" previously posted) or infiltrate and hijack numerous other threads about alternative construction (both methods have been employed by other swaylockers that seem to get a pass for these transgressions). You appear to have an axe to grind with the Coil guys, which I won't humor, but I'll gladly discuss what I know about the boards regarding shape and performance.
Not sure what "...was some kinda pretty" means, maybe it is a typo, but I'm assuming you may mean that it is pretty or is pretty *something*. If you would like, I'll take and post up some shots of that fish (there are a few of it on here already, but not the critical profile shot that features the extreme foil of the fish).
Board of choice for that day would have been my 6'2" Coil: more rockered, a half inch narrower, an eighth inch thicker, deeper single concave, made to handle more size, steeper drops, and hollower conditions than the widerboard.
Sak:
"some kinda pretty" is southern for "extremely nice or special" It is totally complimentary in nature. For example, one might say your little grom-ette above is 'some kind of pretty.' ( as by the way is mine, who is 3 now and catching some waves too!)
I have a 5'9'' springfish as you know. I've been dragging on chiming in on it on this thread, mainly because all I have to contribute about it right now is total stoke-froth. It is the only board I've ridden for a month (basically since I got it). I've had some of my best waves in years on the springfish.
I've owned and ridden alot of top flight boards. I've had multiple griffins, multiple pavels, channel islands, blah blah...
At this point I'm thinking the springfish may be my best ever ( see... froth froth) but I need to keep taking it through the paces before I full on review the board.
Hunter
Nice cutty foamball!
Hunter, thanks for the interpretation, never heard of that particular phrase. I like it.
I'd bet some of our northern terminology would throw you guys for loops as well.
Good to hear you like your springfish as much as I like mine. I definitely feel that that design/board is someting special.
Foamball: Nice surfing in marginal conditions!
Hey Hunter, haven't heard from you in a while. Good to hear your family is doing well. Anyways, I just got new Coil today, Mike and I had a little bit of a scare, it seems Mike wrote the wrong dims on the bottom, and since there was no tape measurer around, I took those numbers to be the truth. Right of the bat he admitted he probably miswrote the dims and if he misshaped the board he would make it right. Fortunately for both of us, the board is spot on. Currently I am cuddling with it waiting to go to either the OBX or the Jersey shore for the weekend. When the room mates get back I am going to borrow a camera and post some board porn. Standby for ride reports.
Just a follow up on this board. Hands down the best juicy wave board I have ever owned. I've had it out in low tide head high dredging barrels and a few feet over head lined up bombs and it keeps amazing me what I can do on this board. I make waves with steep pitching faces that I never would on any of the other boards I've owned. I drop on waves where I'm almost sure I wont make, and still make it. Sunday evening it was overhead, stacked up and just bombing. Really tough paddle out. Waves were kinda funky because the clean up wasn't complete, but there was very little surface texture. I didn't miss a single wave on this board. Best wave was about 2ft overhead. It had a nice ramp and dropped in. With the quad set installed I got instant speed on an angled take off. Started carving to shed some speed and get back into the pocket of the wave. Then I noticed the wave I was on begining to intersect with another wave (part of that funkiness still going on). I took a high line for speed and headed straight for pocket created by the intersection and bash right into the lip. Came out of that pocket and carved up the remaining wave. One of the best waves I've had in a long time. Low tide at my home break has been so dredging lately. When out one day where head high+ waves were breaking on a waist deep bar. You could see the sand getting pulled up in the wave as you dropped in. Hackysacky had one of the sickest barrels I've ever seen that day. I made some ridiculous drops on my 6'1" that I can't believe I stuck. Mike worked some magic with this board. I really need to force myself to put back in the thruster set on the next dredging day because I think it might open up the board even more in those conditions. I tend to rely on the built in speed of a quad so I'd like to feel it out as a thruster some more. This board has really made me want a widerboard. I want to do what I have been doing in bigger surf, on the smaller days as well. Saving my pennies.
After carefully shaping to your file that you sent, I somehow wrote the dims of your old board on the new one. Go figure.
Actually it's the old ''write the wrong dims on the board to throw off the spies'' trick. Yeah...... That's my story and I'm sticking to it...
[email protected]
Hey swaylocks crew,
I got a Springish around the same time Hunter did. Got a 5'7. I'm really stoked on the shape. I've never really had a shape like this and it's brought some life into my small wave surfing. I feel like a grom again in small waves. I've had a twin "old school" fish and some small wave shortboards, but nothing that bridged the gap like this. It really blends the ease of paddling of a fish with the control that I like of a shortboard. I've ridden it in Knee to Waist high on up to 1 foot OH and the things works great in those conditions. It really is a "go to" board for pretty much everything we get in SNC. Really haven't had it out on any day where I felt uncomfortable or wish that i had another board.
I've got a SoCal trip coming up in November for work and I think I just may ship her out there and give her a go at some of the pointbreaks out there (depending on size and shape). I bet she would go really good at Trestles, C-Street in Ventura or maybe Rincon. I'll definitely keep you guys posted on that. I've got a couple buddies out there who are wanting to give it a go too. Don't know if i'll give it up on a good day at any of those spots.
On another note, I'm looking to do a shortboard (qualifier type) with a thumbtail and 5 fin setup. Really jonesing about that one... Mike, you'll be hearing from me in the next month or so on that one.
Wish I had some more "tech" type ways to describe the board, but all I can say is that I'm stoked and all the credit goes to the guys at Coil.
My Uncle is a photographer (and really likes taking shots of surfing), so I'm hoping to get him down here to get some pics of the Coil(s) in action.
Thanks to Mike and the guys at Coil!!!! Another stoked customer!
Fellas check out Kyle Garson ripping on a Coil up at the Unsound Pro in NY last week
http://www.easternsurf.com/fightclub_093009/index.html
I've been meaning to post on this for a WHILE. Mike made me a SICK 6'0 almost 9 months ago I think? When they first started using the black material on the boards.
The board comes out to - 6'0 x 18 3/8 x 2 1/4, wider nose, narrower tail, flatter nose rocker, abit of 'kick' in the tail. Widepoint is even moved up alittle bit. Unique board me and mike came up with.
The board is FAST. It straight-up RIDES OUT. If the waves have any kind of push, theres no down-the-line BS, straight down, fade and right back up. It almost 'pushes' back. The harder you push, the harder the board 'jumps' back up the face / fwoards the pocket.
I'm almost dissapointed I've grown away from riding 'standard' shortboards/ I started riding a 5'6 Merrick POD style board a while ago and fell in love with the thing. Jumping on my coil now, which is 6" longer, makes it feel like its 1' too long.
I'll be getting a 5'9 or a 5'10 made sometime soon. Even shorter, even wider, even faster... call ya sometime mike. I lost your ##, broke my phone, you know my e-mail...
I got to ride the new coil this weekend up in NJ. It the swell was weak and I hadn't surfed in a month so further testing is going to be required. Mike nailed the rail volume perfectly, I went from my last coil, that was .66 cubic ft, to .72 cubic ft and I can finally lay the board on rail and bring it all the way back with out bogging. It feels glued to my feet, I can't really say much about the board as I still have to adjust to not being able to throw it around like it is nothing(which the previous board was), and I need some wave to push back so I can really feel if I like the new fiber on the rails. Stay tuned.
ps that Brendan Buckley kid from that link rips, I have seen him come within a hairs width of pulling a rodeo flip on a thigh high windchop wave. He is by far way better than all the other "supergroms" you see come from Northern NJ.
r.o.w., does it ride shorter because I put the wrong dims on it?
[email protected]
Mike More testing is required before I can make that call.
Quit being so serious. ;) I was joking that it might ride like a 5'10'' since that's what I wrote on it....
Don't worry, we tested the grid fiber for almost a year before introducing it. Kirk and Eric wanted to make really sure that it only enhanced the feel of the boards.
[email protected]
Just back from my first trip to real waves, Bali
i only took with me the 6.3*19*2.5/16 coil [actually 6.3.3/4" over bottom]
it was great surfing really good waves
though, more difficult than i had thought, so much power!! first surfed at Uluwatu, later in the same week at Balangan
it was easy catching waves up till well overhead at Balangan, Ulu [shortened by ozzies?] was different
the coil is basically made for good waves, with a little extra width and float, and i could really use that at Ulu
man what power!! that wave is sick.
Needless to say? the coil went great. Especially at balangan, which has a semi close out section [you can see that maybe in the picture] where you need to go real quick. The coil never let me down!
but, i must say silly was right about a bigger board, at Ulu i had trouble getting in on the waves at the Bombies section, where waves were coming in on the best day at maybe double overhead, everbody was on mini-guns, and i was falling down the face of the wave on my 6.3. definately a bit sketchy, that is where i missed the pin for stability and the volume of a floatier board for catching those ocean swell waves that just pounded their way over the reef. there was this one older ozzie whom i saw surf this amazingly blue, deep, clean pit. never saw something like that before, and it is great to see! i was lucky enough to just paddle out, and see him fly through it. it aint easy i can tell you that now! i had more trouble surfing the waves. once you get used to the speed it gets easier, but i only surfed some 10 or so sessions of which 4 at ulu, and 5 at balangan, and 1 at medewi [not on the coil]
anyways, the coil does justice to those waves and has a lot of speed, that you must wash off somehow, but this time no big hacks and bashes by myselves, more of a flowing surf, it was more difficult than i though
oh, and the board had touched the reef, but there only some 15 pressure lines on the deck side at the nose, surely a poly would have broken!
thanks Mike, hope to get a nice smaller wave board one of these months....
wouter, that pic looks like you might be, ummm, how do you say in Dutch, ''hauling ass''?
[email protected]
I was watching om formula one racing today and there is a system that was used by some teams to get some extra boost out of the car by using braking energy to power a flywheel.It is called kers,kinetic energy return system.That is exactly what the coil boards do for my surfing.They store energy from your turns and release it.Damn good shaper Mike Daniel with damn good tech from the Brassingtons.Keep up the good work Mike!I feel that Coil will some day crush they other tech companies for sure.
I'm a big F1 fan. How 'bout Rubens in that Q session today. P1 in home GP.
I hear KERS is going to be outlawed by the FIA for next year, cost cutting cited.
Fortunately, Coil will still be available.
[email protected]
Beautiful wave wouter.
Good thread. Fan of foam and fiberglass. Coil.
That means a lot coming from a skeptical-by-nature engineer who's explored a lot of build tech on his own. We try to let the surfboards do the talking most of the time. Our boards aren't complex enough for some people, I guess. No bells and whistles or add-on parts. Foam, fiber (most of it NOT glass, though), and as little resin as possible. The recipe and the process tuned for max performance through connected-to-your-feet feel and flex response. Many years and thousands of boards experience to optimize the structure.
But I started this thread because it matters not what I say, unless the boards back it up in the water.
Wait 'til you see the new fiber options....
[email protected]
Hey surfercross, I forgot to ask you when you're going to post some pics of that 5'5''?
[email protected]
Okay, so I finally got some surf, and didn't have the flu.(we had good surf last week but I was running a 102 fever) It was waist-chest east coast scale, side shore winds about 10kts. I hadn't surfed since my last post on here and before that it was the beginning of september last time we had waves here. The board worked fantastically. Went vertically with no trouble and held in the turns really well, but would release and drift when it should have. It covered the flat sections much better than my last 4 boards. The board felt super solid, even more so than my last coil. I let my friend try it for a few waves and I just felt like if i were to ride his beat PU the way I was riding the coil, it would snap. Having the confidence in the construction made me willing to do bigger turns in sections I would have raced before. The board did not seem to flex as much as my last coil, maybe it needs to get broken in or it may be that the grid stiffens it up a little or that 1/8" thickness difference created the extra stiffness? It was not overly stiff, it was like a very freshly glassed ultralight PU/PE. The weight was comparable to an ultralight PU ( with in the 1/10th of an Oz)
Mike,
I never cease to be amazed at what surfers will do to help each other get a very possibly 'magic' stick before heading off to some obscure and promising surf destination............this has been going on for all time and completely devoid of the fact that the time and effort put into such an endeavor lacks significant profit or gain............it is a true attestment to a brotherhood that many feel is extinct or fallen along side the road long ago.
Perhaps we all continue to help each other to such extraordinary lengths because the real world is so uninspiring and mundane, that those of us that are confirmed 'escapists' are far more realistic toward what man needs and thirsts for than the average land loving homosapien?
You da man.
A long over due report.
She came in almost 2 weeks ago,Right before a solid combo swell
I rode the board in 4-6'(w/some bigger clean up sets)
Very pleased!! board is exactly what I was after.
Paddles well
Tons of speed off the drop
Amazingly quick direction change
Took a big drop with full rail bottom turn and snapped it right back under the hook
Butter smooth round house cutties
I haven't ridden a non fishie type in ages
and this board felt great
Long live custom!
(And thanks, DS. You know the feeling, You can't put a dollar value on satisfaction, but we'd be rich if you could...)
[email protected]
Here is the kevlar Coil. I'll let Mike talk about it, but there is a lot of tech stuffed into a very little package.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
Greg or Mike,
Any shots of the foil on that Coil? Especially, the tail. Board looks great. Except for the shower mat on the deck. To each is own..... Mike
"Except for the shower mat on the deck."
OK. That was funny. I've never used one on my boards. I stick a lump of wax back there to indicate where to put my foot, but technology moves on. Who knows? Maybe one day we'll use ropes tied to ends of our boards to keep them from .... I don't know.....floating off when the grandkids play on them? nah.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
I cracked up on the ''shower mat'' comment too. I have a bunch of boards with traction, a bunch without. It kinda depends on how hard I'm gonna try to push the tail around.
This board is 5'10'' x 21,5'', 1.17 cubic feet. Flat bottom to a slight V off tail. Staged foil to heavily thin tail. A lot of volume is ''hidden'' on center, so most of the deck is domed quite a bit.
GT, you should do some more ride report, then I can talk about fiber choices, etc.
[email protected]
That kevlar springfish looks great, I even really like the color!
Mike- rode the rockered-out shortie in clean OH+ East groundswell yesterday. It was one of those days where nowhere was working that well (due to swell direction and extreme low tide) except this one little spot I keep tucked in the back of my head for such conditions. Clean but critical waves, took muscle and committment to catch and make the drop and pull in. Looked a lot like those outer-banks pics of Noah you have sent to me in the past. Paddle-outs and paddle-backs that wear you down. The board worked very well, so much that I did not touch my bigger back-ups in the car.
No shortage of swell up there the past few days, huh? Kirk does a lot of boards similar to your ''rockered-out shortie'' for guys surfing some of the Caribbean's nastiest reef breaks. It'll find a home in the barrel.
[email protected]
I mostly wanted to see how Mike foils the tails on his fishes because he frequently reminds us DIY guys to thin out the foils on our fishes. It's hard to tell from the photos, but it looks like the rocker near the tips accelerates as it slides off the back. Is that true? I'd really like to see the foil on one of your fishes, Mike, if possible. Is there a link I could check out? Mike
dude
that spectra thread should come back alive
what is this all about?
BTW to all: Bert Rutan would just array the reinforcing fibers on the structure per stress analysis, skipping the weaving, etc. altogether.
He's our hero. We're trying to save up the $5 mil or so we'll need to take this step. So far we have $26.17.
coil industries mike daniel step deck foil.jpg
Hey I have the same shower mat on mine too! Actually my Coil fish is very similar to Mike's sans the kevlar. It's 5'8" x 21.25 x 2.5 and .96 cu ft and I'm 5'9" and 180lbs. I've had it for a few months now so I've got it pretty dialed. I've ridden it in mostly soft waves up to head high. It generates a lot of speeed on takeoff...once you give it that first pump you are flying. It is very thin in the tail area and this allows you sink the rail and turn much faster and sharper that you would on a more conventional fish. I can do floaters and vertical lip smacks on this board with ease. It's truly a high performance board in all aspects. With the quad setup I have right now(Future Controller Quad) I can push this board as hard as I possibly can and it will not slide out....but it's very loose and free feeling when you are coming off the top. I've ridden other fish and this board is my fav so far. I just wish I had one of these when I was 15 and hopping around in waist high mush on my thruster!
Mike...how does the kevlar "feel" compared to a normal Coil? Is it lighter?
IMG_0407.JPG
IMG_0408.JPG
IMG_0409.JPG
IMG_0410.JPG
IMG_0411.JPG
rodbldr, not only are you a better photographer (nice pics) than I, you're also better at describing the kind of ride characteristics I'm trying to put in the shapes! And then Coil Construction gives 'em ''life'' and toughness.
The kevlar is normal weight, and a little stiffer. I shaved the tips even more than yours to get a little pop back - so far so good. It feels like a Coil.
[email protected]
I have 2 coils that I am goin to post some pics of later.These 2 boards bring the very best of my surfing skill to the surface.It is like thinking about something and it just happens through instinct.It feels as if the board is velcroed to my feet.I have done bottom turns on these boards and never had the fear that I was going to spin out.I was instead projected from the bottom to the top with such speed that roy would have been proud.I felt like I could destroy the wave when I wanted without fear of falling.That shit doesn't happen enough!
Mike shapes a board that can't be defined by how happy they have made me.I know that I am not the only 1 either cause I have friend that has coil pretty similar to my thruster and he loves his board so much that he if something happens to Mike he won't be able to get another board and he has ridden all the top names just like I have!
Almost everytime I go out to surf somebody is lusting on how clean the board looks.Its a great feeling to have that in my possession!
Congrats to you Mike!You didn't need to hype your boards cause your customers experiences take care of that!
I would also say that Mike is just part of the equation.The Brassingtons unique glassing makes the boards perfom at a level that has made me excell and also not have to worry about going for that dumping closeout barrel that is breaking in about a foot of water.
I promise the pics will be up by friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rooster, I didn't mean to forget your foil shot question. I don't have one of the kevlar 5'10'', but here's one of a 5'4'' grabbed from the ''carbon spectra'' thread. It's similar.
[email protected]
Jeepers. That things a fricken blade. Thanks Mike. Beautiful foil. Mike
This is grasshopper's report on that board from early on in this thread. The kevlar board has more volume for guys like GT and I that are, hmmm...., a ''little'' older. But the last few inches of the tail are very close to the same.
"I rode my buddy Casey's 5'4 fish you shaped for him - I believe there might even be a photo of it on sways somewhere.
Anyways - I was very impressed with the shape - VERY unconventional - my first though after looking at the board was "what is this thing?! no way this will have enough foam/glide for me"
Basically a skimboard with fins but with a camelhump of foam under the chest. But as soon as the tiniest wave came (it was tiny) it would glide right in and get up on a plane - very snappy feeling to it on turns - i guess that is due to the extremely thin tail/rails coupled with the coil construction - flex and response flexback.
It was very cool to see a guy out there doing this for a living shaping something so far out there - especially since IT WORKS!"
[email protected]
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
Mike says OK to view some details. Enjoy.
This shot is kinda like looking up someones dress. Not sure I'm comfortable with this shot.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
Greg or Mike, or anyone that's used the Hynson quad set. Any reviews on them?
And Mike, if you've got experience with them, how do you think they would go in my board?
Really good fins, IMO. Have used them in both wide-swallow fish designs and rounded squash tail alternative type shapes and they work great. Drivey yet snappy at the same time. Fast and responsive.
On another note...got word there should be a taco on it's way to my house going out tomorrow!!
That board is amazing to look at.I am glad to be part of that community.So Mike will this board represent the future of coil construction or was that made just for fun.I want one with that fabric!
that is the best looking fish i have ever seen! is there going to be a shot of the the board upside down so we can see the bottom contours ? what fins are those?
Pages