surfercross, I wouldn't call it ''fun'' working with kevlar (at least that's not the word Eric used today when we were talking about it). This was more an exercise in toughness, both in terms of product strength and degree of difficulty in pulling it off.
That's a good candidate for ''world's strongest Fusion install'' in the last photo.
The fins are the new Hynson quads from FCS. I put them in for the ''fry'' because they have enough area to be safe for a variety of riders. I'll be playing with the fins more whenever the surf cleans up here. I know on smaller days I can get away with a bit less fin.
The bottom is very simple: table flat to slight V off tail. Speedy and skatey.
n4s, rails vary a little depending on several factors. Things like rocker, customer wt/board volume ratio, bottom contours, board width, and of course customer personal preference all come into play.
This board has a more ''down'' rail than some of my flatter rockered, soft bottom fishes that I rode a few years ago. But I do them any way but big and boxy and thick like some of the ''retro fishes'' that IMO are just barges. I don't think those things are fathful to the original Lis fish, they certainly don't look anything like the Lis I rode in 1976. That was the thinnest surfboard I'd ever seen at the time. The ''barges'' are more based on the poor imitations that gave the fish a bad name back then, again IMO.
But then I'm not big on keel fins either, so maybe I'm just a heretic
Thanks Dave I am fully computer dumb thanks for posting the pics for me.
Anyways those 2 boards represent the best boards I have ever had so far.
I have surfed the 5'5" rocket in overhead waves and it goes great.I can totally lean into a bottom turn and it will not skip a beat. I just stand on the tail and it goes faster that roy can fart.The only issue I had was finding the proper fin setup because of the shorter rail.I was losing drive that I am used to with my coil thruster.I put bigger side fins up front and a smaller trailer and it goes just likje my thruster but fits into crazy places on the wave.I surfed some chest to solid shoulder high with the occasional head high beach break today on the rocket and was able make some really late drops and then drive around the section and setup for my next turn or barrel with ease.I see more than ever how important fin s are in making a good board into something that really makes you smile with a shiz eating grin!
Now the thruster.That board simply is the top of line of boards.It drives lijke no other and top to bottom surfing is what it is all about.The tail fits into the steep beachy stuff I surf alot and never slides out when I am setting up for a barrel.Since it is a 5'10" I can take advantage of the positive flex that comes from the coil construction.For me flex is super important.Not to much though coil seems to have just the right amount.
Another major benefit of the coil boards is I never ever ever ever worry about goin for that barrel that is dredging in about 2 foot of sand.I just go!What a great board.No make that great boards.
Thanks Mike for making me smile everytime I go surfing!
Thanks Mike for making me smile everytime I go surfing!
I appreciate that........ Especially coming from someone who's paid his own money to ride Coils and a bunch of other boards over the last few years. We are definitely not afraid to match up to any of them.
btw, what fins got you where you wanted to be on the 5'5''?
I am using the AM2 for the front and a F3 for the trailer.I want to get the wct fin from future and try that also cause it has a wide base but it has less rake.The fwct fin is a more upright fin and I think that it might make the board turn even better.The 5' 5" catches me off guard sometimes with how fast it turns in the pocket.A very good feeling!Stand on the tail and go where you want.
While I agree that fishes (particularly the twin-keel variety) do not jive with traction pads, I find that the Coil springfish almost needs one... they are (at least in my case) ridden very short to facilitate hard, agressive turns in the critical part of the wave, and really take to being pushed through, over, and beyond the lip. Being a taller guy (6'0") and riding a small springfish (5'6"), I found myself stepping or sliding off the tail when repositioning my feet, particularly when recovering from attempts of ariel stuntery, and taking the ginsu-thin swallow tail to the nads. I therefore re-stuck the center section (with tail-rise) of a traction pad from my broken board to my springfish as an experiment. Only one session with it so far; it takes a little getting used to when paddling (further insult to the nether-region), but if it helps keep my rear foot (and all my parts) in place, and helps me push the board harder when riding, I'm ok with it.
Hey mike there has been quit a bit of waves down here and i have ridden my coil every day and it is the best board i have ever owned it is effort less speed and turns super responsivly it is so great. I will try to post some pictures of both my coils soon
Well 2 1/2 months now on the new board and lots of water time. It took a bit to get the fins right. Some setups were too tight some didn't have enough hold. Here is the magic setup through trial and error. Although not my color choice haha, it is a perfect balance of drive hold and release and seems to work through a variety of conditions. Kind of an expensive mix and match but worth it. Hands down best board I have ever owned. This board was a culmination of a lot of boards over time being combined. The back half of the outline and bottom contour comes from a previous fish, while the nose, rails, foil rocker and volume were decendants from close to a dozen previous boards that I have gotten from Mike over time. Being able to work with a shaper of Mike's calliber and being able to build off of previous boards has been invaluable in consistently getting great boards. Just another reason that custom is king! Thanks again Mike for an amazing board!
Thanks for the props, foamball. That is a custom one-off shape, and we both put some work and thought into the design. That's how we move forward and keep things interesting.
Great illustration of how experimenting with fin sets can tune the board. The new Mayhem fins are a funny color though - poo-brown. Think of it as dark yellow.
Hey hackey if you like high performance shortboards the thruster in the pics I posted is by far the best thruster I have ever owned.It holds so good in steep punchy waves it is freaky.I have a friend that has the same kind of shape from Mike and he can't stop talking about how stoked he is about his board.Sorry to ramble but that design really goes great.
I bet that you woud like that rocket that I posted with the thruster.Very fun in any type of waves that we have here on the east coast.
Carl, definitely, always looking at and thinking about design. At some point I think Mike is probably going to have to figure out how to scale up that (your) board for me. I am a big proponent of getting the board that is made for surfing the way I want to surf and "stepping up to the plate" and figuring out the mechanics of said board. Something about that round-pin tail speaks to me.
Don't worry about rambling, as one of the characters in the movie "knocked up" commented, when watching his kids gleefully chase bubbles around the yard, "I wish I liked anything as much as my kids like bubbles". For me (and obviously for you), that thing is surfing and surfboards, so rambling is expected and excusable!
After getting out of the water this morning I ran into a guy in the parking lot that had 2 Coils shaped by Kirk. He had seen my bamboo skinned board and so we started talking about all the cool shit getting built in Central Florida right now. He let me check out both the Coils he had in his car, one was a 6'0" and the other was a 5'10ish fish. Both really clean and lots of subtle details going on. It was cool to check out the staged rocker in person, it's really subtle and almost unnoticeable unless you are looking for it. It's blended really well. Both boards had nice clean outlines.
He was really happy with both boards. Cool to see you guys starting to get more of a local following. I've been seeing more and more of the new style Coils out in the water. The boards have really evolved from what I've seen and ridden in the past year. You guys are really getting the whole process dialed and it shows.
Hey mike im just giveing you a big heads up that you will be getting an order from me before the summer because im going to nicaragua for my whole summer break(3 months) and i really want to order a 5'6" by 17 3/4 by 2" round pin but i have been wondering about bottom contours and things like that. so this is just a extended heads up for an order lol
If my theory is correct we've already discussed the new board but you just don't know it yet. Who knows, maybe I've already been to Nicaragua and I don't realize it yet. I think I remember that it will be a fun trip.
Wouter must be too busy surfing, so I'll cover for him...
He's got 2 Coils, a 5'9'' springfish and the one he's riding right now is a 6'3'' roundtail. Same board as your 5'10'', just scaled up for his ht/wt. W's is 19'' wide and .90 cubic feet in volume. He took it down to France and Spain this past summer, I think, as well as Bali a few months ago. Check his Bali pic back on p.6 (post #261 on this thread).
Hey Mike I finally got the right fin setup for that coil rocket type board.I find that using the vector 437 that are made from that translucent green plastic work the best.Good drive with ease of transition from rail to rail.I think that the bigger side fins were lifting the rear of the board to much for my style of surfing and I was having some trouble with catching my outside rail when I was surfing backside.
What if I knew this guy, who let's just say, couldn't really feel the difference in his quad fins. Oh, he's tried a bunch of fins, and thought maybe there was some difference, but he wasn't really sure. Not saying there is a guy. Just saying what if. I mean, if there was such a guy. You know, been around a while, surfed a lot of diferent boards. Great guy, actually. If there was such a guy. So.......would this guy be a dork? Because he couldn't tell if his fins were 4.5 or 4.75? Probably not anyone out there really. Just sort of wondering.
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I guess I'm not multi-fingual :) I seem to notice subtle differences in the way my boards behave, even with similar templates:) On the other hand I have friends that don't care what fins they have so long as there are three of them.
I suppose the important part is getting the board right which Mike is really good at. From there its only a matter of time till I stumble on the right fins.
I really like the curvy outline. I think I need one of those to add to the coil quiver! I saw a picture on surfline or in a magazine of one of Dane Reynolds experimental boards and it looked kind of similar. Not really a diamond tail but kind of just a square tail. It looks like the rail just kind of comes to an abrupt end. Now if I could only surf like Dane then my life would be complete.
Hahaha. It's true Kirk and I don't care much for all the standardized models with hokey names (XP-93 Banshee Lipwhacker!!!) that are widespread in the surf industry.
I've always done a kind of shorthand for order cards, condensing board ''type'' info into a few letters or numbers. For example, since about 1995 I've coded my fishes as F2, F3, F4 to denote # of fins and the corresponding shape. I needed a ''code'' for these little boards like Karl's. I started with "M" (hard to figure where I got that, huh?), and since the basis of that outline dates to 1980, added the "80''. I kinda went, ''hey, that'll work on a couple of levels'', and it stuck. So that's the story of the M-80.
surfercross, I wouldn't call it ''fun'' working with kevlar (at least that's not the word Eric used today when we were talking about it). This was more an exercise in toughness, both in terms of product strength and degree of difficulty in pulling it off.
That's a good candidate for ''world's strongest Fusion install'' in the last photo.
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The fins are the new Hynson quads from FCS. I put them in for the ''fry'' because they have enough area to be safe for a variety of riders. I'll be playing with the fins more whenever the surf cleans up here. I know on smaller days I can get away with a bit less fin.
The bottom is very simple: table flat to slight V off tail. Speedy and skatey.
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Wow. Those fish are the very ....
Flat to slight V... ah crikey... frothing...
Shit. I have to get one of those -- and I see a Mike Daniel quiver in my future.
Mike
are you using a "crisp"rail all the way?
BTW
love the out line!
Love to try with my favorite fin configuration
hey
my coil fish only has crisp in the back 1/3 of board
so it is not like a tucked edge all the way [not griffin-esque]
wouter
n4s, rails vary a little depending on several factors. Things like rocker, customer wt/board volume ratio, bottom contours, board width, and of course customer personal preference all come into play.
This board has a more ''down'' rail than some of my flatter rockered, soft bottom fishes that I rode a few years ago. But I do them any way but big and boxy and thick like some of the ''retro fishes'' that IMO are just barges. I don't think those things are fathful to the original Lis fish, they certainly don't look anything like the Lis I rode in 1976. That was the thinnest surfboard I'd ever seen at the time. The ''barges'' are more based on the poor imitations that gave the fish a bad name back then, again IMO.
But then I'm not big on keel fins either, so maybe I'm just a heretic
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Just back to ogle these things some more........................... mmmmmmmmmm... Coil quad fish..... ripstickular......
Note to self: Self, learn how to apply wax bar instead of using pad on the Coil fish...
Also, self? Sell a bunch of stuff already and get on the phone to Mike?
coil pics not workin for me I suck at this shit it is pathetic!
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you owe me big! i'll try to get the others later
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surfercross
do you have any more shots, like a foil shot, of the m-80?
and more ride reports?
Thanks Dave I am fully computer dumb thanks for posting the pics for me.
Anyways those 2 boards represent the best boards I have ever had so far.
I have surfed the 5'5" rocket in overhead waves and it goes great.I can totally lean into a bottom turn and it will not skip a beat. I just stand on the tail and it goes faster that roy can fart.The only issue I had was finding the proper fin setup because of the shorter rail.I was losing drive that I am used to with my coil thruster.I put bigger side fins up front and a smaller trailer and it goes just likje my thruster but fits into crazy places on the wave.I surfed some chest to solid shoulder high with the occasional head high beach break today on the rocket and was able make some really late drops and then drive around the section and setup for my next turn or barrel with ease.I see more than ever how important fin s are in making a good board into something that really makes you smile with a shiz eating grin!
Now the thruster.That board simply is the top of line of boards.It drives lijke no other and top to bottom surfing is what it is all about.The tail fits into the steep beachy stuff I surf alot and never slides out when I am setting up for a barrel.Since it is a 5'10" I can take advantage of the positive flex that comes from the coil construction.For me flex is super important.Not to much though coil seems to have just the right amount.
Another major benefit of the coil boards is I never ever ever ever worry about goin for that barrel that is dredging in about 2 foot of sand.I just go!What a great board.No make that great boards.
Thanks Mike for making me smile everytime I go surfing!
"coil pics not workin for me I suck at this shit it is pathetic!"
OK, there's a pretty good chance that you surf way better than me. So, I show you how to post pic's and, I still can't surf as good as you. Hate that.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
I appreciate that........ Especially coming from someone who's paid his own money to ride Coils and a bunch of other boards over the last few years. We are definitely not afraid to match up to any of them.
btw, what fins got you where you wanted to be on the 5'5''?
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I am using the AM2 for the front and a F3 for the trailer.I want to get the wct fin from future and try that also cause it has a wide base but it has less rake.The fwct fin is a more upright fin and I think that it might make the board turn even better.The 5' 5" catches me off guard sometimes with how fast it turns in the pocket.A very good feeling!Stand on the tail and go where you want.
Hey Mke just saw some oics of Kyle Garson on a coil at the slater contest.How is he liking the boards and what kind of dims does he ride?
Kirk shaped Kyle's board, so I don't know the exact dims but it's very close to your 5'10''. Garson effin' rips on the thing. He likes it plenty.
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Quick check-in/two cents:
While I agree that fishes (particularly the twin-keel variety) do not jive with traction pads, I find that the Coil springfish almost needs one... they are (at least in my case) ridden very short to facilitate hard, agressive turns in the critical part of the wave, and really take to being pushed through, over, and beyond the lip. Being a taller guy (6'0") and riding a small springfish (5'6"), I found myself stepping or sliding off the tail when repositioning my feet, particularly when recovering from attempts of ariel stuntery, and taking the ginsu-thin swallow tail to the nads. I therefore re-stuck the center section (with tail-rise) of a traction pad from my broken board to my springfish as an experiment. Only one session with it so far; it takes a little getting used to when paddling (further insult to the nether-region), but if it helps keep my rear foot (and all my parts) in place, and helps me push the board harder when riding, I'm ok with it.
Hey mike there has been quit a bit of waves down here and i have ridden my coil every day and it is the best board i have ever owned it is effort less speed and turns super responsivly it is so great. I will try to post some pictures of both my coils soon
Impromptu family planning?
(oh wait, that's ambiguous..)
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Well 2 1/2 months now on the new board and lots of water time. It took a bit to get the fins right. Some setups were too tight some didn't have enough hold. Here is the magic setup through trial and error. Although not my color choice haha, it is a perfect balance of drive hold and release and seems to work through a variety of conditions. Kind of an expensive mix and match but worth it. Hands down best board I have ever owned. This board was a culmination of a lot of boards over time being combined. The back half of the outline and bottom contour comes from a previous fish, while the nose, rails, foil rocker and volume were decendants from close to a dozen previous boards that I have gotten from Mike over time. Being able to work with a shaper of Mike's calliber and being able to build off of previous boards has been invaluable in consistently getting great boards. Just another reason that custom is king! Thanks again Mike for an amazing board!
5'11" x 19 3/4 x 2 1/4 .87ft cu
Thanks for the props, foamball. That is a custom one-off shape, and we both put some work and thought into the design. That's how we move forward and keep things interesting.
Great illustration of how experimenting with fin sets can tune the board. The new Mayhem fins are a funny color though - poo-brown. Think of it as dark yellow.
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Outline on surfercross's shortboard looks really nice, where is the widepoint on that one (looks rear of center to me, but hard to tell for sure)?
WP just a little behind center. Plant the back foot on the tailblock and blast.
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Hey hackey if you like high performance shortboards the thruster in the pics I posted is by far the best thruster I have ever owned.It holds so good in steep punchy waves it is freaky.I have a friend that has the same kind of shape from Mike and he can't stop talking about how stoked he is about his board.Sorry to ramble but that design really goes great.
I bet that you woud like that rocket that I posted with the thruster.Very fun in any type of waves that we have here on the east coast.
Carl, definitely, always looking at and thinking about design. At some point I think Mike is probably going to have to figure out how to scale up that (your) board for me. I am a big proponent of getting the board that is made for surfing the way I want to surf and "stepping up to the plate" and figuring out the mechanics of said board. Something about that round-pin tail speaks to me.
Don't worry about rambling, as one of the characters in the movie "knocked up" commented, when watching his kids gleefully chase bubbles around the yard, "I wish I liked anything as much as my kids like bubbles". For me (and obviously for you), that thing is surfing and surfboards, so rambling is expected and excusable!
After getting out of the water this morning I ran into a guy in the parking lot that had 2 Coils shaped by Kirk. He had seen my bamboo skinned board and so we started talking about all the cool shit getting built in Central Florida right now. He let me check out both the Coils he had in his car, one was a 6'0" and the other was a 5'10ish fish. Both really clean and lots of subtle details going on. It was cool to check out the staged rocker in person, it's really subtle and almost unnoticeable unless you are looking for it. It's blended really well. Both boards had nice clean outlines.
He was really happy with both boards. Cool to see you guys starting to get more of a local following. I've been seeing more and more of the new style Coils out in the water. The boards have really evolved from what I've seen and ridden in the past year. You guys are really getting the whole process dialed and it shows.
Hey mike im just giveing you a big heads up that you will be getting an order from me before the summer because im going to nicaragua for my whole summer break(3 months) and i really want to order a 5'6" by 17 3/4 by 2" round pin but i have been wondering about bottom contours and things like that. so this is just a extended heads up for an order lol
We work in the future, so we may have that board completed before you place the order.
Wish I was going to Nicaragua for the whole summer............
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haha boy would that be great...ya i got some things to discuss for the board but we will talk in the future.
lol you can tag along if you want haha
If my theory is correct we've already discussed the new board but you just don't know it yet. Who knows, maybe I've already been to Nicaragua and I don't realize it yet. I think I remember that it will be a fun trip.
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hey mike
got to surf my coil today
maybe some pics tomorrow
we got groundswell today and tomorrow
pretty rare
board went insane
till the moment ruben mook broke his new compsand
so i got him on the coil and surfed some really thin board myself
anyways
board is still going very strong!!
i love it when yyou have very little space to do a manoeuvre
but i load the board, and can still float or snap off the top to finish a short wave
i never had such a board before
still waitingmy enthousiasm to decrease...
some pics, not of myself, but general ones
and for those interested, scroll down this local forum fo rmore pictures
http://www.surfweer.nl/2009/bommen-uit-het-noorden-maandag-30-november/#...
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Looks like you guys are scoring. What's the weather set-up to get the longer period swell in the North Sea?
The link/site you posted is blowing up with stoke, I can see the headlines tomorrow: ''Dutch Economy Grinds to Halt as Entire Nation Goes Surfing''.
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hey mike
we need good lows [980 or lower] stationed up high in the north sea
blowing wind down hard towards our shores in the south, that are faced northwest
so we get little wind, like today, AND tomorrow
just plugged in the video cam... hope to get videos, if the friend is willing!
What kind of board did you get from Mike Wouter?You guys are for sure hard core!!
Wouter must be too busy surfing, so I'll cover for him...
He's got 2 Coils, a 5'9'' springfish and the one he's riding right now is a 6'3'' roundtail. Same board as your 5'10'', just scaled up for his ht/wt. W's is 19'' wide and .90 cubic feet in volume. He took it down to France and Spain this past summer, I think, as well as Bali a few months ago. Check his Bali pic back on p.6 (post #261 on this thread).
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Hey Mike I finally got the right fin setup for that coil rocket type board.I find that using the vector 437 that are made from that translucent green plastic work the best.Good drive with ease of transition from rail to rail.I think that the bigger side fins were lifting the rear of the board to much for my style of surfing and I was having some trouble with catching my outside rail when I was surfing backside.
That's good to hear, tuning the board to your style (and surf conditions) through fin choice is important.
That board/shape/model now has an official name - it's called the M-80.
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What if I knew this guy, who let's just say, couldn't really feel the difference in his quad fins. Oh, he's tried a bunch of fins, and thought maybe there was some difference, but he wasn't really sure. Not saying there is a guy. Just saying what if. I mean, if there was such a guy. You know, been around a while, surfed a lot of diferent boards. Great guy, actually. If there was such a guy. So.......would this guy be a dork? Because he couldn't tell if his fins were 4.5 or 4.75? Probably not anyone out there really. Just sort of wondering.
Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught. - Winston Churchill
What I would say is that the guy in question is multi-fingual.
Look it up, it means he can ride lots of fins.
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I guess I'm not multi-fingual :) I seem to notice subtle differences in the way my boards behave, even with similar templates:) On the other hand I have friends that don't care what fins they have so long as there are three of them.
I suppose the important part is getting the board right which Mike is really good at. From there its only a matter of time till I stumble on the right fins.
So Mike has anybody else ordered a M-80 and what have there reactions been towards the board?
Greg that sum funny shit right there.
Surfercross,
Got any pictures of your M80 you can post?
Hell yes I've had other orders for them - everybody wants to blow up!
foamball, here's a pic from page 6, M-80's on the left....
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I really like the curvy outline. I think I need one of those to add to the coil quiver! I saw a picture on surfline or in a magazine of one of Dane Reynolds experimental boards and it looked kind of similar. Not really a diamond tail but kind of just a square tail. It looks like the rail just kind of comes to an abrupt end. Now if I could only surf like Dane then my life would be complete.
those fat little boards look like a hell of a lot of fun. I'm going to have to organize another coil convention to try all these designs.
You guys issued a "model number" for the board? Wow, you must be serious.
The above might be a semi-inside joke, but I suspect the minimal model naming policy employed by Coil might have been addressed here before.
Good thing I've been selling off less-used boards lately as my new-board jonesing has been boiling up and this is turning up the flame.
Hahaha. It's true Kirk and I don't care much for all the standardized models with hokey names (XP-93 Banshee Lipwhacker!!!) that are widespread in the surf industry.
I've always done a kind of shorthand for order cards, condensing board ''type'' info into a few letters or numbers. For example, since about 1995 I've coded my fishes as F2, F3, F4 to denote # of fins and the corresponding shape. I needed a ''code'' for these little boards like Karl's. I started with "M" (hard to figure where I got that, huh?), and since the basis of that outline dates to 1980, added the "80''. I kinda went, ''hey, that'll work on a couple of levels'', and it stuck. So that's the story of the M-80.
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Next time you go up to the banks check out our very stoked dealer http://www.pitsurf.com/ . Nice shot from Thanksgiving swell on homepage and more.
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