The way this winter's going, you're going to be tempted to steal your friend's step-up we're shipping with your flashback fish. He's gonna be glad I wrote his name on the bottom, otherwise you might tell him there'd been a ''mix-up'' in the orders or something...
Hi MikeD,do you guys make longboards at coil as well?
Someone asked me that question early on in this thread. We don't at this time, but it's not like we're anti-longboard or anything. Kirk tells me the first board (1992, but KB might correct me) that they vac'd a bunch of fiber on was a 9'0''. Down the road we'll probably do some.
Hi MikeD,do you guys make longboards at coil as well?
Someone asked me that question early on in this thread. We don't at this time, but it's not like we're anti-longboard or anything. Kirk tells me the first board (1992, but KB might correct me) that they vac'd a bunch of fiber on was a 9'0''. Down the road we'll probably do some.
Thanks,it was pobably me that asked,I have a horrible memory so I'll ask again in a month or 2. :)
I had heard of their packaging methods earlier in this thread. That is pretty funny, but a testament to the coil durability. Try to ship a PUPE like that and it will end up looking like the modular model by the time it reaches its destination.
crafty, I know what you mean about surfing with guys like Karl. There's the ''gifted'', then there's the rest of us... It's all about quickness and agility in marginal conditions, too. I used to be quick and agile myself, but it kinda slips away as you age. But then there's the wisdom and perspective that only comes with age, at least we've got that!
sak, thanks for the pic. Before anybody says ''that's not enough board for 190 lbs'', I'd better point out that you're a former competitive swimmer/surfer and lifeguard who likes low volume boards.
wouter, that's the standard widerboard squash. It can be tweaked wider or narrower for individual customers. We aren't into the ''one-size-fits-all'' mentality.
sak, thanks for the pic. Before anybody says ''that's not enough board for 190 lbs'', I'd better point out that you're a former competitive swimmer/surfer and lifeguard who likes low volume boards.
He must be getting old though, isn't that a whole 1/16th of an inch thicker than his last one? j/k Sak.
Mike and Sak, that board looks sick! I can't wait to see it in action!
We don't weigh everything that comes out of the factory, but at those dims and volume it's right around 5.5 lbs.
lawless, thanks for the ID on the previus photo, and the shot of Ron (posts here as fcseast). Funny because at first I thought the shot of Corey was possibly Ron, but figured it couldn't be him because he usually has an FCS sticker on nose. I met Corey at the Halloween Fish Fry, he's been riding Coils shaped by Kirk for years. Ron's on a new one that I shaped. Sak would like Ron's board, it's a roundtail qualifier with dims, volume, and rails very similar to Sak's preference.
I came up surfing in the era of the Slater rocker chips, but actually did pretty well with them (possibly due to size since I was much younger/smaller back then); I learned how to use the sensitivity of the thin rails to make things happen, rather than let things happen, on a wave.
The drawback has been that I cannot ride thick-railed boards worth a damn, despite now being significantly heavier; they just don't engage/disengage the way I like. Believe me, I've tried, and hated them.
But I also do admit I am getting a little older and just cannot ride the chips I used to. I've waged a valiant battle against time in order to try to keep my reaction times up there, but also must acknowlege the inevitable force of nature (I often notice my physical size increase and the toll of time during dawn patrols, but by mid AM I feel pretty young and sprightly). This had definitely forced me to develop relationships with shapers over the years as my boards don't look like boards for 180+ lb guys, but I also can't just buy tiny anorexic chips off the rack just to obtain the thin rails I need. Mike has been great to work with regarding this as we are now putting rails from 2 1/8" thick boards on boards that measure up to 2 3/8" in the center.
For this reason, the springfish has been a holy grail of sorts, plenty of planing surface and volume on an absurdly-thin railed-board.
As for the widerboard, yep, asked Mike to try to hide a little more foam in the replacement board (which bumped up the volume from 0.82 to 0.85, if I recall correctly), but to keep the rails and overall feel of the board the same. Hence the reason for the "Modular Model" joke (took a reciprocating saw to the old widerboard, boxed up the pieces, and sent them back to Coil so they could have my magic board in-hand). To me, this board is about as beefy as I want to go for standard shapes, if you will, for standard waves. To go any thicker is going to require some really creative hiding of foam and foiling of the rails.
Yeah, I think the 0.85 is going to be a good number for an all-rounder/average-waver. Prob going to shoot for around there for my qualifier roundtail (scaled up version of surfercross's board) so I can use that in our performance-oriented South swells, when straight-up attacks are the call.
That Occy-inspired shorboard in the planning stage is prob going to be even a touch more (0.9ish?); maybe a bit more volumed/forgiving rails up front, but with "control-freak rails" in the tail area (still gotta discuss the logistics of this with Mike). Target conditions: semi-cleanup down-the-line noreaster conditions on my backhand, and over-walled E-ESE groundswells on my forehand.
Don't know where the M80 volume is going to fall, but I am going to leave that up to Mike as it is his baby. It is replacing the 50/50 Waveskate (but should have more edge control than that hockey-puck tail), so probably pretty volumous.
Do recall my rockered-out shortie is 0.75, I think that is my lower limit, and meant for walled-up, suck-up conditions.
My first coil I got came in at .84 on a 6 '0" The last one got a few months ago was a 5'11" fish that came in around .87 cf. I weigh around 175 to 180 for reference.
I am a strong paddler but I found that even a little difference of .03 in volume as insignificant as it may seem has provided a welcome difference in float and paddle power. Especially when surfing around crowds it is nice to be able to have a little extra paddle ability.I think that .03 coupled with a little wider nose and overall width has combined to make the ideal board. For me personally I prefer a beefy rail, they seem to be a bit forgiving and I like the feeling of pushing against the rail. I'm also heavy on my front foot going frontside so if there are thin rails up front where the water engages I tend to catch them. Thinner rails in the last 1/3 of the board are perfect though. My most recent 5'11" has its tail thinned out pretty well and a noticible staged flex compared to my first generation which has provided very responsive lively feeling. The new board on order will combine many of the same charateristics of my last board with a more pulled in round tail for control on wedgy days when there is some power.
While I've been offline (shaping), these last few posts have been a great illustration of how volume numbers work for tuning. As I've said on other threads, I couldn't imagine going back to just guessing at volume. There's a lot of other things I couldn't imagine going back to; stringers, PU foam, hand-lam, ''normal'' foils, old fibers, etc. (There's nothing wrong with using any of that stuff, but is is getting a little old).
I saw hackey's boards when we had the convention this summer. He does not look like he weighs 190lbs, guy can out paddle most people in the lineup except kayakers. I don't know if it is a regional thing, but in NJ I have noticed a lot of people ride lower volume than people on the west coast or the rest of the east coast.
BTW. I let my friend borrow my coil while we were surfing on New Years day. He had his best turn of the session on that board.
Just weighed in at 183lbs. Was probably 175 when I surfed with riderofwaves.
I honestly think, on average, that NJ waves "ledge" a bit more than most other breaks up and down the E coast (of course, with numerous exceptions), hence the need for more "bitey" rails and a little less float (we tend to spin-and-go under the lips rather than have to paddle over the hump to catch them.
I did spend some time in the pointbreaks around Santa Cruz when my friend was in grad school there and quickly found that I should leave my thin east-coast boards at home and borrow his thicker boards to take advantage of the nature of those waves, but did find my thinner-railed boards worked in punchy beachbreaks there, so maybe it is a beachbreak thing.
I used to have to lie to shapers like a self-conscious dieting housewife about my weight to get the designs I wanted (they all wanted to put me on too-thick shapes); I'm glad Mike and I have a good reportiore going so I don't have to do that anymore.
I'd have to agree that the waves here do tend to "ledge," but to add to that, I'd say that's so only in areas that tend to lose sand. Where there's a lot of deposition, rather than erosion, the waves are more "normal" beachbreak type surf. This is a pretty rash generalization, and there are exceptions, like Stathmere... They experience a lot of erosion, but the surf there is far from ledgy. But in Monmouth County and Ocean County, where there's terrible erosion issues, the surf is very ledgy. Wildwood, and even Cape May gets some deposition, so those breakes tend toward more typical beachies.
So you're right on in making those volume adjustments...
I'd have to agree that the waves here do tend to "ledge," but to add to that, I'd say that's so only in areas that tend to lose sand. Where there's a lot of deposition, rather than erosion, the waves are more "normal" beachbreak type surf. This is a pretty rash generalization, and there are exceptions, like Stathmere... They experience a lot of erosion, but the surf there is far from ledgy. But in Monmouth County and Ocean County, where there's terrible erosion issues, the surf is very ledgy. Wildwood, and even Cape May gets some deposition, so those breakes tend toward more typical beachies.
So you're right on in making those volume adjustments...
Agreed, and very good observations. Also important to note is that the areas of higher erosion usually experience greater wave energy reaching the shoreline; SNJ has a much wider and shallower nearshore shelf/bar system, while central and nortern-jersey beaches have a narrower shelf and narrower bars and deeper waters that exerts less friction on approaching swells and allows more energy to approach the beaches, which results in more energy impacting (and eroding) the shoreline.
before track pad wax and fins a 5'10.5x18.125x2.125 coil weighed in at 5lb 1 oz. That should give you an idea oh how light these are. PU same dims was like 8 oz heavier.
I had my hops scales still out since I had been brewing and was curious. The PU I rode for two months. I had done a backside floater on a soft waist high wave and I was paddling back out when I realize when coming down I had popped a bubble in the blank. It sucked cuz in 36 hours I was leaving for school. My friend owed me a favor for helping set up his ding repair factory so he bumped me to the top of the list and I had it for school. We didn't get many waves that fall until Hanna when my coil arrived. I have only ridden it three times since then. I have had some PUPE's the same weight last two years being ridden really heavily, the pop didn't last for the whole length of the time but magicboards are hard to come by so when you have one you don't really want to let it go. The Marshall board, was two years old and was his everyday board and still had pop until the end. My current step-up is a PU I bought my freshman year of college(junior now) For having had 8 session on it, it is in shit shape due to airlines, not knowing how to jump off the rocks at Steamer Lane and the leash loop getting stretched over the Dec 27th swell and cutting into the tail; which is too bad because the board is pretty good, really fast and loose, yet has plenty of hold.
Surfercross, if you are talking to me, we have been experiencing a flat spell since the day the board arrived (but the day before was really good), and no end in sight to the flatness (and coldness).
However, this board is a near-duplicate (just 1/16" thicker) of the widerboard before it, and should be almost exact since I sawed up the broken board, boxed it up, and sent it back to the Coil guys. I considered this critical since its predecessor was the best all-rounder board, hands down, I ever owned.
I've ridden it in thigh-high to well-overhead (maybe approaching DOH, but I don't want to make that claim. rdj was surfing with me during the largest conditions in which I rode it (the day after the biggest day is when I broke the first one, and that day was dropping swell but still well-OH and dredging), so he can testify regarding the max-sized surf if that specific info is critical.
Suffice to say it was the board I felt most comfortable on so I picked it for that 2-day run of sizable, powerful swell.
I've ridden it in thigh-high to well-overhead (maybe approaching DOH, but I don't want to make that claim. rdj was surfing with me during the largest conditions in which I rode it (the day after the biggest day is when I broke the first one, and that day was dropping swell but still well-OH and dredging), so he can testify regarding the max-sized surf if that specific info is critical.
Suffice to say it was the board I felt most comfortable on so I picked it for that 2-day run of sizable, powerful swell.
Waves were easily 8 foot faces that day with some plus sets of 9ft or more, so I would agree. What I will say is that the wind had been blowing hard locally for about 2 days and it was very short period windswell which resulted in large waves, but a short period. It was one of those days where the paddle out was a constant pounding of one wave after another with barely a break for paddling between duck dives. However, the short period resulted in a somewhat soft sloping wave with a nice ramp for entry and long lines. So I would say, from watching hackeysaky surf his widerboard for 2 years, and from riding my widerboard/qualifier hybrid, that wave size is probably not the limitation one should be considering with the widerboard, but wave form. I'm pretty confident the widerboard would easily perform up to DOH on a softer wave. However, I think you will be looking to grab a different design when you get into larger waves with a steeper more ledgy form. For example, the second day of that swell the storm system had moved further out to sea and although the size had dropped, the period was longer making for a steeper punchier wave. If the waves had the form of the second day with the size of the first day, I'm certain hackeysaky would have been reaching for his rockered out Coil. So if you live/surf somewhere with waves that don't get too steep or ledgy, the widerboard could probably just about be a one board quiver.
The thing with NJ is that when NJ puts up some size it gets heavy and steep. The bigger NJ days could easily be ridden on a californian point break with the same board most New Jersey riders ride in small surf, this is soley due to how hard it breaks.
sounds like a pretty fair assessment, rdj. I do seem to remember a whole lot of water moving around that day, and while slopey on the take-offs, having to cover a whole lot of ground before the whole thing sucked water off the bar and got hollow on the insides.
That second day was rediculously heavy for the size- real negative low tide, blow-out conditions, etc. I might/probably would have selected the standard shortie, but remember I was already on my way to work when I made the call to surf for a max of an hour with you guys and only had the one board with me in the car that AM. Any detour home to retrieve the other (appropriate?) board would have resulted in a serious loss of water-time. I remember surfing up a frenzy, basically spinning and going on any wave that came to me since my time in the water was so limited. The widerboard handled it just fine until I put it in some bad places (as well as some really good barrels), most likely weakened it during one (or more) of the failed attempts, and broke it on that drop.
You guys better be careful telling everyone how good the beachies in NJ can get, next thing you know you'll be invaded by hordes of barrell-seeking tourists. Let's not even mention how good the pizza, sub sandwiches, and nightlife are.
You guys better be careful telling everyone how good the beachies in NJ can get, next thing you know you'll be invaded by hordes of barrell-seeking tourists. Let's not even mention how good the pizza, sub sandwiches, and nightlife are.
Well now that the "Jersey Shore" is on MTV they will all be coming to Seaside this summer anyway
Back to surfboards, and my take on the ''range'' of the widerboard.
In one sense it's an 80s style outline, and the 80s thrusters worked good enough in lots of waves. The wb is updated with more modern rocker, rails, bottom, foil, etc., which improve it's sensitivity, drive, and ability to recover in critical maneuvers.
Or you can look at it as a ''normal'' shortboard with additional width all around (hence the widerboard name). And a few other small adjustments, entry rocker and length among them. It's designed to have the feel of a shortboard, but more planing efficiency.
So either way, it goes in a lot of average waves, which is what most people around the world are riding most of the time.
Coil Construction gives it the speed, spring, and connected feel unique to what the Brasingtons do.
well if they come they probably arn't going to get shit for waves. Unless they plan on spending a long amount of time waiting for one of our short swell events. Not to mention ice cream headaches and having to wear a 5/4 mittens and boots. The night life is only great in the summer and then there arn't the barrels. NJ is frustrating as hell.
well if they come they probably arn't going to get shit for waves.
Typical under-calling it by the suddenly over-protective locals :)
I think they photoshop in the snow and heavy wetsuits in all those pics just to scare people off. Dick Meseroll was doing this somehow back before photoshop, that's the only thing I can't figure out.....
Hey surfercross, if you check in here I'm ready to go on that 5'9'', pm me or something so we can finalize the dims, etc.
Yep, to me the widerboard is a wider high-perf average-wave board, not a chunky 80's beast.
Hey Mike, I heard it is pretty chilly down your way. Have you guys salvaged the foam from the modular model to insulate your workspace yet?
Funny aside: just to testify how us northerners handle cold temps, two of my kids (4.5 and 1.5 years) insisted on going outside to play on the swingset yesterday as the sun was setting and shade had engulfed the play area in the back yard. Even after 25 minutes in 25 degrees and 25mph winds and windchill, neither wanted to come in, even after sitting on the cold, heat-sucking plastic seats.
It looks like the upcoming temps will be more favorable for production there at Coil. Florida is not built for this cold. Half the plants in my yard are severly damaged or dead from this cold snap.
Yeah, it's been brutal... I took a truckload of shaped blanks to the factory today (yours was in there, foamball!), and filled the ready rack. Kirk and I could shape all last week, but proper epoxy temps were just not there. They'd rather wait a few days and do it right. Highly controlled process requires some criteria, ya know?
No worries, not in a hurry the water is too cold. I dug the booties out and might try and get a session in soon. Water temps north of NSB inlet are now in the high 40's. Ouch!
That's about as good as it gets.
The way this winter's going, you're going to be tempted to steal your friend's step-up we're shipping with your flashback fish. He's gonna be glad I wrote his name on the bottom, otherwise you might tell him there'd been a ''mix-up'' in the orders or something...
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Hi MikeD,do you guys make longboards at coil as well?
Someone asked me that question early on in this thread. We don't at this time, but it's not like we're anti-longboard or anything. Kirk tells me the first board (1992, but KB might correct me) that they vac'd a bunch of fiber on was a 9'0''. Down the road we'll probably do some.
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Thanks,it was pobably me that asked,I have a horrible memory so I'll ask again in a month or 2. :)
I forgot what a memory is, so I understand.
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mike, i might have to ride it first to make sure it works :-). i will use his board to figure out what i want to do with the next board i will order .
Lurking and laughing. I give you full permission to write a rediculous fictitious model name on my new hi-perf shorty.
Did I have something to do with the "modular model"?
Replacement widerboard came in this AM; man you guys are cocky with your packinging!
The board looks great and I can't wait to surf it... wish I got here for yesterday's swell, but there will be more soon (I hope).
I had heard of their packaging methods earlier in this thread. That is pretty funny, but a testament to the coil durability. Try to ship a PUPE like that and it will end up looking like the modular model by the time it reaches its destination.
Hey Hackey could you take a pic with the board standing up.I would like to see that outline.Thanks
Board: 6'0" x 19 1/4" x 2 3/16"
Rider: 6'0" x 180-190 lbs.
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crafty, I know what you mean about surfing with guys like Karl. There's the ''gifted'', then there's the rest of us... It's all about quickness and agility in marginal conditions, too. I used to be quick and agile myself, but it kinda slips away as you age. But then there's the wisdom and perspective that only comes with age, at least we've got that!
sak, thanks for the pic. Before anybody says ''that's not enough board for 190 lbs'', I'd better point out that you're a former competitive swimmer/surfer and lifeguard who likes low volume boards.
wouter, that's the standard widerboard squash. It can be tweaked wider or narrower for individual customers. We aren't into the ''one-size-fits-all'' mentality.
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He must be getting old though, isn't that a whole 1/16th of an inch thicker than his last one? j/k Sak.
Mike and Sak, that board looks sick! I can't wait to see it in action!
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COULD you please tell me the weight?
thanks
The guy's name in the pic I posted on the previous page is Corey. No last name, but he's a Firefighter.
It's always cool to see action shots of the boards being discussed.
I think this one is Ron from FCS.
Another Coil action shot from Burry:
burrys-shot-RCs-dec9.jpg
I don't know. Light. Maybe Mike D. has that info on file.
We don't weigh everything that comes out of the factory, but at those dims and volume it's right around 5.5 lbs.
lawless, thanks for the ID on the previus photo, and the shot of Ron (posts here as fcseast). Funny because at first I thought the shot of Corey was possibly Ron, but figured it couldn't be him because he usually has an FCS sticker on nose. I met Corey at the Halloween Fish Fry, he's been riding Coils shaped by Kirk for years. Ron's on a new one that I shaped. Sak would like Ron's board, it's a roundtail qualifier with dims, volume, and rails very similar to Sak's preference.
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Any ride reports yet.I gotta know!!
What kind of bottom does it have and is it the widerboard?That looks loike what I want from Mike but just a tad more bump in the hip.
That has the same bottom as your boards. And I can easily make that bumpwing a little more distinct.
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I came up surfing in the era of the Slater rocker chips, but actually did pretty well with them (possibly due to size since I was much younger/smaller back then); I learned how to use the sensitivity of the thin rails to make things happen, rather than let things happen, on a wave.
The drawback has been that I cannot ride thick-railed boards worth a damn, despite now being significantly heavier; they just don't engage/disengage the way I like. Believe me, I've tried, and hated them.
But I also do admit I am getting a little older and just cannot ride the chips I used to. I've waged a valiant battle against time in order to try to keep my reaction times up there, but also must acknowlege the inevitable force of nature (I often notice my physical size increase and the toll of time during dawn patrols, but by mid AM I feel pretty young and sprightly). This had definitely forced me to develop relationships with shapers over the years as my boards don't look like boards for 180+ lb guys, but I also can't just buy tiny anorexic chips off the rack just to obtain the thin rails I need. Mike has been great to work with regarding this as we are now putting rails from 2 1/8" thick boards on boards that measure up to 2 3/8" in the center.
For this reason, the springfish has been a holy grail of sorts, plenty of planing surface and volume on an absurdly-thin railed-board.
As for the widerboard, yep, asked Mike to try to hide a little more foam in the replacement board (which bumped up the volume from 0.82 to 0.85, if I recall correctly), but to keep the rails and overall feel of the board the same. Hence the reason for the "Modular Model" joke (took a reciprocating saw to the old widerboard, boxed up the pieces, and sent them back to Coil so they could have my magic board in-hand). To me, this board is about as beefy as I want to go for standard shapes, if you will, for standard waves. To go any thicker is going to require some really creative hiding of foam and foiling of the rails.
0.85 is my magic volume. You should have told Mike to write 0.82 on the new one cause now I'm gonna steal it!
Yeah, I think the 0.85 is going to be a good number for an all-rounder/average-waver. Prob going to shoot for around there for my qualifier roundtail (scaled up version of surfercross's board) so I can use that in our performance-oriented South swells, when straight-up attacks are the call.
That Occy-inspired shorboard in the planning stage is prob going to be even a touch more (0.9ish?); maybe a bit more volumed/forgiving rails up front, but with "control-freak rails" in the tail area (still gotta discuss the logistics of this with Mike). Target conditions: semi-cleanup down-the-line noreaster conditions on my backhand, and over-walled E-ESE groundswells on my forehand.
Don't know where the M80 volume is going to fall, but I am going to leave that up to Mike as it is his baby. It is replacing the 50/50 Waveskate (but should have more edge control than that hockey-puck tail), so probably pretty volumous.
Do recall my rockered-out shortie is 0.75, I think that is my lower limit, and meant for walled-up, suck-up conditions.
My first coil I got came in at .84 on a 6 '0" The last one got a few months ago was a 5'11" fish that came in around .87 cf. I weigh around 175 to 180 for reference.
I am a strong paddler but I found that even a little difference of .03 in volume as insignificant as it may seem has provided a welcome difference in float and paddle power. Especially when surfing around crowds it is nice to be able to have a little extra paddle ability.I think that .03 coupled with a little wider nose and overall width has combined to make the ideal board. For me personally I prefer a beefy rail, they seem to be a bit forgiving and I like the feeling of pushing against the rail. I'm also heavy on my front foot going frontside so if there are thin rails up front where the water engages I tend to catch them. Thinner rails in the last 1/3 of the board are perfect though. My most recent 5'11" has its tail thinned out pretty well and a noticible staged flex compared to my first generation which has provided very responsive lively feeling. The new board on order will combine many of the same charateristics of my last board with a more pulled in round tail for control on wedgy days when there is some power.
While I've been offline (shaping), these last few posts have been a great illustration of how volume numbers work for tuning. As I've said on other threads, I couldn't imagine going back to just guessing at volume. There's a lot of other things I couldn't imagine going back to; stringers, PU foam, hand-lam, ''normal'' foils, old fibers, etc. (There's nothing wrong with using any of that stuff, but is is getting a little old).
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I saw hackey's boards when we had the convention this summer. He does not look like he weighs 190lbs, guy can out paddle most people in the lineup except kayakers. I don't know if it is a regional thing, but in NJ I have noticed a lot of people ride lower volume than people on the west coast or the rest of the east coast.
BTW. I let my friend borrow my coil while we were surfing on New Years day. He had his best turn of the session on that board.
mike, sent ya a PM!
Just weighed in at 183lbs. Was probably 175 when I surfed with riderofwaves.
I honestly think, on average, that NJ waves "ledge" a bit more than most other breaks up and down the E coast (of course, with numerous exceptions), hence the need for more "bitey" rails and a little less float (we tend to spin-and-go under the lips rather than have to paddle over the hump to catch them.
I did spend some time in the pointbreaks around Santa Cruz when my friend was in grad school there and quickly found that I should leave my thin east-coast boards at home and borrow his thicker boards to take advantage of the nature of those waves, but did find my thinner-railed boards worked in punchy beachbreaks there, so maybe it is a beachbreak thing.
I used to have to lie to shapers like a self-conscious dieting housewife about my weight to get the designs I wanted (they all wanted to put me on too-thick shapes); I'm glad Mike and I have a good reportiore going so I don't have to do that anymore.
I'd have to agree that the waves here do tend to "ledge," but to add to that, I'd say that's so only in areas that tend to lose sand. Where there's a lot of deposition, rather than erosion, the waves are more "normal" beachbreak type surf. This is a pretty rash generalization, and there are exceptions, like Stathmere... They experience a lot of erosion, but the surf there is far from ledgy. But in Monmouth County and Ocean County, where there's terrible erosion issues, the surf is very ledgy. Wildwood, and even Cape May gets some deposition, so those breakes tend toward more typical beachies.
So you're right on in making those volume adjustments...
Agreed, and very good observations. Also important to note is that the areas of higher erosion usually experience greater wave energy reaching the shoreline; SNJ has a much wider and shallower nearshore shelf/bar system, while central and nortern-jersey beaches have a narrower shelf and narrower bars and deeper waters that exerts less friction on approaching swells and allows more energy to approach the beaches, which results in more energy impacting (and eroding) the shoreline.
Speaking of volume adjustments, there's another thread started, http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/compensating-winter-wetsuit-weight, where measuring volume would be useful.
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before track pad wax and fins a 5'10.5x18.125x2.125 coil weighed in at 5lb 1 oz. That should give you an idea oh how light these are. PU same dims was like 8 oz heavier.
Thanks for the weigh-in. You might be a little obsessed if you weigh your board as soon as you get it, but that's our kind of rider.
How long do you think a PU at that weight would last you?
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I had my hops scales still out since I had been brewing and was curious. The PU I rode for two months. I had done a backside floater on a soft waist high wave and I was paddling back out when I realize when coming down I had popped a bubble in the blank. It sucked cuz in 36 hours I was leaving for school. My friend owed me a favor for helping set up his ding repair factory so he bumped me to the top of the list and I had it for school. We didn't get many waves that fall until Hanna when my coil arrived. I have only ridden it three times since then. I have had some PUPE's the same weight last two years being ridden really heavily, the pop didn't last for the whole length of the time but magicboards are hard to come by so when you have one you don't really want to let it go. The Marshall board, was two years old and was his everyday board and still had pop until the end. My current step-up is a PU I bought my freshman year of college(junior now) For having had 8 session on it, it is in shit shape due to airlines, not knowing how to jump off the rocks at Steamer Lane and the leash loop getting stretched over the Dec 27th swell and cutting into the tail; which is too bad because the board is pretty good, really fast and loose, yet has plenty of hold.
Surfercross, if you are talking to me, we have been experiencing a flat spell since the day the board arrived (but the day before was really good), and no end in sight to the flatness (and coldness).
However, this board is a near-duplicate (just 1/16" thicker) of the widerboard before it, and should be almost exact since I sawed up the broken board, boxed it up, and sent it back to the Coil guys. I considered this critical since its predecessor was the best all-rounder board, hands down, I ever owned.
Thanks what was the range of conditions of the widerboard?
I've ridden it in thigh-high to well-overhead (maybe approaching DOH, but I don't want to make that claim. rdj was surfing with me during the largest conditions in which I rode it (the day after the biggest day is when I broke the first one, and that day was dropping swell but still well-OH and dredging), so he can testify regarding the max-sized surf if that specific info is critical.
Suffice to say it was the board I felt most comfortable on so I picked it for that 2-day run of sizable, powerful swell.
Waves were easily 8 foot faces that day with some plus sets of 9ft or more, so I would agree. What I will say is that the wind had been blowing hard locally for about 2 days and it was very short period windswell which resulted in large waves, but a short period. It was one of those days where the paddle out was a constant pounding of one wave after another with barely a break for paddling between duck dives. However, the short period resulted in a somewhat soft sloping wave with a nice ramp for entry and long lines. So I would say, from watching hackeysaky surf his widerboard for 2 years, and from riding my widerboard/qualifier hybrid, that wave size is probably not the limitation one should be considering with the widerboard, but wave form. I'm pretty confident the widerboard would easily perform up to DOH on a softer wave. However, I think you will be looking to grab a different design when you get into larger waves with a steeper more ledgy form. For example, the second day of that swell the storm system had moved further out to sea and although the size had dropped, the period was longer making for a steeper punchier wave. If the waves had the form of the second day with the size of the first day, I'm certain hackeysaky would have been reaching for his rockered out Coil. So if you live/surf somewhere with waves that don't get too steep or ledgy, the widerboard could probably just about be a one board quiver.
The thing with NJ is that when NJ puts up some size it gets heavy and steep. The bigger NJ days could easily be ridden on a californian point break with the same board most New Jersey riders ride in small surf, this is soley due to how hard it breaks.
sounds like a pretty fair assessment, rdj. I do seem to remember a whole lot of water moving around that day, and while slopey on the take-offs, having to cover a whole lot of ground before the whole thing sucked water off the bar and got hollow on the insides.
That second day was rediculously heavy for the size- real negative low tide, blow-out conditions, etc. I might/probably would have selected the standard shortie, but remember I was already on my way to work when I made the call to surf for a max of an hour with you guys and only had the one board with me in the car that AM. Any detour home to retrieve the other (appropriate?) board would have resulted in a serious loss of water-time. I remember surfing up a frenzy, basically spinning and going on any wave that came to me since my time in the water was so limited. The widerboard handled it just fine until I put it in some bad places (as well as some really good barrels), most likely weakened it during one (or more) of the failed attempts, and broke it on that drop.
You guys better be careful telling everyone how good the beachies in NJ can get, next thing you know you'll be invaded by hordes of barrell-seeking tourists. Let's not even mention how good the pizza, sub sandwiches, and nightlife are.
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Well now that the "Jersey Shore" is on MTV they will all be coming to Seaside this summer anyway
I didn't know anybody watched MTV anymore...
Back to surfboards, and my take on the ''range'' of the widerboard.
In one sense it's an 80s style outline, and the 80s thrusters worked good enough in lots of waves. The wb is updated with more modern rocker, rails, bottom, foil, etc., which improve it's sensitivity, drive, and ability to recover in critical maneuvers.
Or you can look at it as a ''normal'' shortboard with additional width all around (hence the widerboard name). And a few other small adjustments, entry rocker and length among them. It's designed to have the feel of a shortboard, but more planing efficiency.
So either way, it goes in a lot of average waves, which is what most people around the world are riding most of the time.
Coil Construction gives it the speed, spring, and connected feel unique to what the Brasingtons do.
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well if they come they probably arn't going to get shit for waves. Unless they plan on spending a long amount of time waiting for one of our short swell events. Not to mention ice cream headaches and having to wear a 5/4 mittens and boots. The night life is only great in the summer and then there arn't the barrels. NJ is frustrating as hell.
Typical under-calling it by the suddenly over-protective locals :)
I think they photoshop in the snow and heavy wetsuits in all those pics just to scare people off. Dick Meseroll was doing this somehow back before photoshop, that's the only thing I can't figure out.....
Hey surfercross, if you check in here I'm ready to go on that 5'9'', pm me or something so we can finalize the dims, etc.
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Yep, to me the widerboard is a wider high-perf average-wave board, not a chunky 80's beast.
Hey Mike, I heard it is pretty chilly down your way. Have you guys salvaged the foam from the modular model to insulate your workspace yet?
Funny aside: just to testify how us northerners handle cold temps, two of my kids (4.5 and 1.5 years) insisted on going outside to play on the swingset yesterday as the sun was setting and shade had engulfed the play area in the back yard. Even after 25 minutes in 25 degrees and 25mph winds and windchill, neither wanted to come in, even after sitting on the cold, heat-sucking plastic seats.
It looks like the upcoming temps will be more favorable for production there at Coil. Florida is not built for this cold. Half the plants in my yard are severly damaged or dead from this cold snap.
Yeah, it's been brutal... I took a truckload of shaped blanks to the factory today (yours was in there, foamball!), and filled the ready rack. Kirk and I could shape all last week, but proper epoxy temps were just not there. They'd rather wait a few days and do it right. Highly controlled process requires some criteria, ya know?
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No worries, not in a hurry the water is too cold. I dug the booties out and might try and get a session in soon. Water temps north of NSB inlet are now in the high 40's. Ouch!
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