>>> Herb,>>> I would think at least a touch of vee would be of some benefit. My > question is, why leave it out? I guess I'm old school thinking there needs > to be some vee in the tail. By the way have you seen the Tudor/Nuuhiwa > fish? Saw two yesterday at a shop in Haleiwa. Was wondering how accurate a > replication it is if you have seen one. God, they wanted somewhere around > $900 bucks for them.>>> Thanks,>>> FD .............Ya I've seen a couple, they're within the ball park ?,but not exact.When my brother Ray went to the M.Dora memorial services at H.B. Pier,he brought his yellow, Terry Martin,David/Dyno fish with him..............I think before David even asked, he snatched it out of my brother's hands, to look it over real hard.(my guess is he doesn't have a real example of an original).>>>You can put vee in it sure,but the board will tend to roll more,and skate less.A true fish is to be ridden flat,and from rail to rail,not in a rolling fashion,plus vee will slow it down due to it's shorter size,and wider width.........(I just can't wait for the industries heavys to jump all over me for these last statements).Herb.
Which shop in Haleiwa? mahalo, OJ
Just had to jump in here and tell you that the last batch of Chargers ( si! con Glitter!) were icing on the cake today. I got in a rare midweek sesh, held my card on a sketchy forecast for yesterday and bam! played it today. Headhigh plus, feathering offshores, riding a 6'2" Bluefish with chargers, what a day. Surfed all day with a Huntington transplant from Houston, the guy was hoarse from hooting so much. To anyone contemplating this fin setup, set the extra plugs, they work. TS
>>>>>> Hey Herb, my preference is for that bit of vee and a double barrel concave which I feel balance's out any drag created by adding vee to the tail. I am currently riding a 6'4" with this bottom. Do you wanna race? Best regards sk
Name the spot ,and come up with a time that fits. I got a couple boards here that will re-define "Board Speed".At any rate I would love to swap ideas.Herb.
>>> Which shop in Haleiwa? mahalo, OJ OJ, I saw the Tudor/Nuuhiwa fishes at Haleiwa Surf N Sea, the one next to the bridge across from the Chevron Station. By chance are u a fire fighter? FD
HI, how are you? Love those fishes your doing. A 6'4 would put you out of the realm of the 6'2C blank, what is the prefered blank of the 6'2-on up shapes? Also, how did you know which DIMs to use for your shop boards, did you actually get to study an original? Those sure bring back seventies memories! Keep up the good work! What are your feelings about the marine ply no rake keel fins(original LisStyle), I wonder why Nuuhiwa didn't incorporate that fin style in the early fishes?
>>> HI, how are you? Love those fishes your doing. A 6'4 would put you out of > the realm of the 6'2C blank, what is the prefered blank of the 6'2-on up > shapes? Also, how did you know which DIMs to use for your shop boards, did > you actually get to study an original? Those sure bring back seventies > memories! Keep up the good work! What are your feelings about the marine > ply no rake keel fins(original LisStyle), I wonder why Nuuhiwa didn't > incorporate that fin style in the early fishes? >>>>> Surfhungry, the blank I use for the Nuuhiwa fish is the 7'3"E. It has the thickness profile that you need for this type of board. As far as dimension's are concerned I went in a few different directions to arrive at the approximate numbers. First I tried to find some one that had one, no luck. I then went back into my SURFER magazine archives (I never throw them away)and studied two ads that David was featured in, which gave me a pretty good idea of where to get started. And I had fishes back in that era from Dyno and later from Terry Martin. The are not exact Duplicate's of the original, they are very close with a bit different bottom contour's (more vee of the tail and double barrel concave's) than the original. As far as Stevie's fish is concerned they are different in Quite a few way's. He use's the double side foil on his fins, the fins are generally run parallel to the stringer, and are on a 90` angle to the bottom. The most recent example was a board that Tom Curtiss has.It's about 6'6" with a more streamlined outline , the nose and tail being more pulled in. Tom say's it works great.As far as how and why David's fish is different I don't have the facts regarding the difference's between the two. My theory is that David saw the Lis fish and went back to his shaper (Steve Brom?) and they came up with Davids version.As far as the marine ply wood fins are concerned the look great, and are lighter in lb's compared to glass fins.I loaned my 6'4" to a friend of mine to try the other day. He's a young shaper that I work with ,and is familiar with modern, thin performance tri fins.His idea of a fish used to be something around 6'0" -19 1/2 -2 1/4 ,double wing swallowtail type thing. He now has a different perspective and shaped a new one for himself .Best Regards, SK
The original Dyno type VIs were shaped by Terry.Steve came shortly after and added his refinements. For the most part,the fins on the early Dyno versions were a lg. parallel keel fiberglass or glass/wood combo.The dyno fins differed from the Lis' in that they were a little smaller,and had maybe a wisp of rake in them.Also the Lis fins were double foiled as Stu mentioned.A SHORT TIME AFTER THIS,the fins on the Dynos started off with a little tilt,followed by toe.In time the fins shrank gained more rake(better known as hatchet fins).Steve Lis' latter fish also changed to more a true kneeboard with boxer rails spoon concave decks,rounder noses, and smaller fins.Lis'fins stayed parallel,and rakeless,but he did move on to solid fiberglass.Some Lis models even had slight bellys in them(remember that MagicMan?)..........Still want to race? In good spirits,that is. Herb. Oh by the way Bob Simmons built the first fish type boards ,and might be where Lis got his inspiration.