history, The Vee’s started a fire and we still seek the source.
His operation was initially based under the Manhattan Beach Pier, but by 1949 he had outgrown it. And from his belly we sprang forth.
oldphart shaper wrote: Nothing but
history, The Vee’s started a fire and we still seek the source.Aloha!
the "ingredient" was, the boards had tail rocker, or at least tail rocker at the rail that let them turn tighter, plus shorter didn't hurt either, previously, the boards nearly all had very flat rockers, fins close to the tail and as nat had shown, the Yanks were still very locked into nose riding.
But like the Midget thread, I was there when Bob came to California with Steve Bigler and rode the V-bottom for the first time on a US wave, I saw surfing had just made a dramatic turn in it's evolution. I called Surfboards East in New Jersey and told them to stop the presses, quit making the 25" wide platters, I have something new to show you when I get back.
This was a few days shy of Christmas 1967, by new years day I would be a guest of the state of California from a San Diego sheriffs detective that scraped green suede off my hippy boot and logged it in as "Cannibis Sativa" found loose in my boot, small delay in getting back to New Jersey, Oh did In say I hated cops, the biggest and badest of criminals on a public payroll
kayu wrote: oldphart shaper wrote: Nothing but
history, The Vee’s started a fire and we still seek the source.Aloha!Ive always been intrigued by the vee;bottoms also......even though they were short lived and only mildly sucessfull..........Ive always thought there was a missing ingredient , or some change that would make them "click". ...Have you made one oldphart ? ......got any pics?
Made mine with some tail rocker and hard 60/40 at the rear. Like I said rode the last one too the death. And as for how they worked, I wouldn't go back. However at the time, how was I to know? Sure as Hell started a blaze...
Haven't got to the Vee yet, Got the Virgin's vitals and a suitable "stringerless" blank and to mock Outlaw Josey Wales "it's for lookin' at, not surfing"
The thing about those early vees was the extremity of them. There seemed to be a line of thought that shorter boards meant the volume had to be made up somehwere, so the V tails were wide and thick. Some of them were ridiculous. As with any component of a shape, extremes are not good. I rode a few different V bottoms in the transition era. Most were terrible. I had a Hobie Corky Carroll Super Mini for about a year and that had a reasonable amount of V and worked pretty good.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
SammyA wrote: I rode a few different V bottoms in the transition era. Most were terrible.
I rode a few different V bottoms in the transition era. Most were terrible.
Amen...witness McTavish, ala the Spin-out King of Sunset Beach on his. Actually a backward step in evolution, as the Sam was a much better board...the shape plan behind center with it's hips and curve was much like a first generation shortboard...with a very loooong front section
"As with any component of a shape, extremes are not good."
All these design trends kind of seem to go that way, though. Noserider dimensions went crazy wide in the nose and crazy narrow in the tail before evening back out. The current Bonzer bottoms seem to use a much more subtle concave than the earlier versions. The Simmons revival boards quickly ran the gamut of way too short and way too wide before settling down to a more manageable combo. Etc., etc.
I can see what Huie is saying - the people who were riding those boards back then were looking for more agility and more performance, so it only makes sense that they wouldn't stop at one interim spot on the design curve for long. People who are revisiting those designs today have a somewhat different perspective in mind and are looking to follow those side street a little further.
Some stuff i found oldphart
(edited by moderator to add pic from the link)
The Joel Tudor Sam's were made from Keyo Joel brought back from Oz., amazingly, my Velzy-Jacobs pig template that I pulled off a balsa original, fit right on top of the Keyo, the bottom had a deep v-roll ahead of the fin to middle, I made bottom roll templates for Hank Byzak to complete the duplication of Sam. The ones in the photo have had the tail shortened by a couple of inches from the original scan
Great stuff!!! Velsy was there first again...