>>> mike d.,>>> Someone who has been riding a longboard that is interested in an all > purpose short board for "more punchy conditions" probably isn't > interested in getting 3-4 different short boards...yet. So, I would > recommend since he's coming from a LB he should keep abit of length say > 6'8" 19-5/8" X 2-5/8" mild rocker with a mild single to > double concave bottom squash tail. Get Red X in it and you will be able to > make the same board tighter like a 7'0" or looser like a 6'5" by > adjusting the fin positions and/or templates. Personally, I think anyone who loves surfboards can't ever seem to have enough of them. There are just too many intriguing designs/theories out there to not have a diverse quiver.
It is a good question and one that I think we all share a common interest in. Whether it be simply an equipment issue or one which we try to address from the point of view of a shaper/designer. I'm looking at single fin hull type shape in the 7'0"-7'4" range. Aside from the basic design questions regarding rail design, volume and outline I'm puzzled over the fin layout. I think what I'm going to do is put a long single fin box in and 2 adjustable (RedX or F.U. thruster) boxes and spend some time deciding what works best for my average surf conditions and style. TS>>> This is a good question and one that I'd like to hear the answer to.>>> But as far as the other observations regarding board vs. rider vs. > performance -- this is something I think alot about because I also > "experiment" alot with single fins. This is an impossible topic > because how well someone rides a wave is ultimately a subjective > evaluation. But here goes my observations.>>> There is the school of thought from some readers in this forum that > anything less than three fins is a drastic step back in board design > progression and ultimately performance. To NOT use a thruster is a > compromise of performance.>>> Then there's the ride what you like as long as it's fun school.>>> Finally, there's the school which postulates that each wave/rider > combination has an optimum craft for optimum performance.>>> Personally, I kind of fall into all three schools -- and I think this is > largely because I can't see myself surfing.>>> I think that single fins have a learning curve and that they require a > modification of surfing style from that of a thruster. Given these things > it's my contention that within that style, single fins are smoother and > faster and freer than thrusters.>>> Ultimately I think its an apples and oranges question -- and a style > choice. If you want to eat oranges and surf within a particular style > single fins are the highest performance craft out there. But then again > the same thing can be said for bodysurfing.>>> Not sure if this was a ramble or I'm making sense.
seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all purpose) ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a similar board or have ideas about it?
i would shape you a less abrasive personality, with a little V in the last 1/3rd>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it?
>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it? You know I recenttly shaped one of those for myself for those type of conditions but a friend saw it in my shaping bay and bought it to take to Costa Rica---so the anwear is I would probably shape ya 7'6" to 7'10" 141/2-15tail and a 15"nose light roll "v" under the feet with a thin 70-30 rail and a ight roll under the nose put in a 8-81/2 flex fin glassed on of course and there you are egg heaven
7'2" long, 14 1/2" nose, 20 1/4" wide (2" up from center), 14" tail, 2 3/4" thick. Round pin or diamond tail. Beak nose and full rails. 6/4 deck and 6 bottom with a gloss & polish. When do you want to pick it up? Cheers, Scott
>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it? >>>>>> 7'6" to 8'0", nose 15", wide point 21 3/4", tail 14", thickness about 2 3/4". Center fin (box)8 3/4" to 9", with a bit of flex in the last 1/3 of the tip of the fin. As far as placement from the tail, start around 8 1/2" to 10" up from the tail. If you would prefer to ride it as a 2 + 1 set up, I would use FCS or Red x system along with a center box but come down in size for your center fin to 6 1/4" or 7 1/4". sk
>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it? I just made myself a 7'3" single fin semi gun rounded pin 12.5 n by 20 by 12.75 t I use a fins unlimited 8" egg fin. The box set 4.5 off the tail with slight v running out the last 3rd of the board. I used a 7'3 eaton blank natural I put the wide point 3.5 inches up from center it's 2 7/8 thick. I had it glassed 6/4 top 4 bottom I'm 5'10" 155 and It friggin rips. I wouldn't want it any fuller you don't need it especially if your going to take into some heavier beach break surf.
>>> I just made myself a 7'3" single fin semi gun rounded pin 12.5 n by > 20 by 12.75 t I use a fins unlimited 8" egg fin. The box set 4.5 off > the tail with slight v running out the last 3rd of the board. I used a 7'3 > eaton blank natural I put the wide point 3.5 inches up from center it's 2 > 7/8 thick. I had it glassed 6/4 top 4 bottom I'm 5'10" 155 and It > friggin rips. I wouldn't want it any fuller you don't need it especially > if your going to take into some heavier beach break surf. ps thanks sk for the semi gun tips. The board came out so good I was shocked on every level .
>>> mike d.,>>> Someone who has been riding a longboard that is interested in an all > purpose short board for "more punchy conditions" probably isn't > interested in getting 3-4 different short boards...yet. So, I would > recommend since he's coming from a LB he should keep abit of length say > 6'8" 19-5/8" X 2-5/8" mild rocker with a mild single to > double concave bottom squash tail. Get Red X in it and you will be able to > make the same board tighter like a 7'0" or looser like a 6'5" by > adjusting the fin positions and/or templates. Personally, I think anyone who loves surfboards can't ever seem to have enough of them. There are just too many intriguing designs/theories out there to not have a diverse quiver.
It is a good question and one that I think we all share a common interest in. Whether it be simply an equipment issue or one which we try to address from the point of view of a shaper/designer. I'm looking at single fin hull type shape in the 7'0"-7'4" range. Aside from the basic design questions regarding rail design, volume and outline I'm puzzled over the fin layout. I think what I'm going to do is put a long single fin box in and 2 adjustable (RedX or F.U. thruster) boxes and spend some time deciding what works best for my average surf conditions and style. TS>>> This is a good question and one that I'd like to hear the answer to.>>> But as far as the other observations regarding board vs. rider vs. > performance -- this is something I think alot about because I also > "experiment" alot with single fins. This is an impossible topic > because how well someone rides a wave is ultimately a subjective > evaluation. But here goes my observations.>>> There is the school of thought from some readers in this forum that > anything less than three fins is a drastic step back in board design > progression and ultimately performance. To NOT use a thruster is a > compromise of performance.>>> Then there's the ride what you like as long as it's fun school.>>> Finally, there's the school which postulates that each wave/rider > combination has an optimum craft for optimum performance.>>> Personally, I kind of fall into all three schools -- and I think this is > largely because I can't see myself surfing.>>> I think that single fins have a learning curve and that they require a > modification of surfing style from that of a thruster. Given these things > it's my contention that within that style, single fins are smoother and > faster and freer than thrusters.>>> Ultimately I think its an apples and oranges question -- and a style > choice. If you want to eat oranges and surf within a particular style > single fins are the highest performance craft out there. But then again > the same thing can be said for bodysurfing.>>> Not sure if this was a ramble or I'm making sense.
seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all purpose) ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a similar board or have ideas about it?
i would shape you a less abrasive personality, with a little V in the last 1/3rd>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it?
>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it? You know I recenttly shaped one of those for myself for those type of conditions but a friend saw it in my shaping bay and bought it to take to Costa Rica---so the anwear is I would probably shape ya 7'6" to 7'10" 141/2-15tail and a 15"nose light roll "v" under the feet with a thin 70-30 rail and a ight roll under the nose put in a 8-81/2 flex fin glassed on of course and there you are egg heaven
7'2" long, 14 1/2" nose, 20 1/4" wide (2" up from center), 14" tail, 2 3/4" thick. Round pin or diamond tail. Beak nose and full rails. 6/4 deck and 6 bottom with a gloss & polish. When do you want to pick it up? Cheers, Scott
>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it? >>>>>> 7'6" to 8'0", nose 15", wide point 21 3/4", tail 14", thickness about 2 3/4". Center fin (box)8 3/4" to 9", with a bit of flex in the last 1/3 of the tip of the fin. As far as placement from the tail, start around 8 1/2" to 10" up from the tail. If you would prefer to ride it as a 2 + 1 set up, I would use FCS or Red x system along with a center box but come down in size for your center fin to 6 1/4" or 7 1/4". sk
>>> seems like mike was the only one with any suggestions. for all you know i > could have 8 boards -- fish, thrusters, hulls, longboards, guns -- but > that should be pretty irrelevant -- i am asking -- if i walked into your > shaping bay and said i want a board sorta like the kind i saw wayne lynch > ride in evolution -- sorta like i see joel tudor riding -- i want glide, i > want to be able to paddle, i prefer single fins, i don't want a disposable > board, i will surf it in chest to 1.5 times overhead beachbreak, and weigh > 175 --- what would you shape me? i don't want to hear theory about boards > and quivers and whatever(when i said generic i meant NO NAME, not all > purpose)>>> ok, maybe i am being harsh -- but seriously i am sure lots of you ride a > similar board or have ideas about it? I just made myself a 7'3" single fin semi gun rounded pin 12.5 n by 20 by 12.75 t I use a fins unlimited 8" egg fin. The box set 4.5 off the tail with slight v running out the last 3rd of the board. I used a 7'3 eaton blank natural I put the wide point 3.5 inches up from center it's 2 7/8 thick. I had it glassed 6/4 top 4 bottom I'm 5'10" 155 and It friggin rips. I wouldn't want it any fuller you don't need it especially if your going to take into some heavier beach break surf.
>>> I just made myself a 7'3" single fin semi gun rounded pin 12.5 n by > 20 by 12.75 t I use a fins unlimited 8" egg fin. The box set 4.5 off > the tail with slight v running out the last 3rd of the board. I used a 7'3 > eaton blank natural I put the wide point 3.5 inches up from center it's 2 > 7/8 thick. I had it glassed 6/4 top 4 bottom I'm 5'10" 155 and It > friggin rips. I wouldn't want it any fuller you don't need it especially > if your going to take into some heavier beach break surf. ps thanks sk for the semi gun tips. The board came out so good I was shocked on every level .
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