At what point should I change from 80 to 120? If I get all the shinies out with the 80 with my bad glassing I'm scared I might take it too far when I go to the 120. Is it ok to gloss on an 80 sanded finish?
>>> OK I'm no gloss master thats for sure. I hate pin lines that is for master > glossers but what ever i screw up i always seam to beable to sand out > flat.>>> It starts with a good sand job. I Grind ( plugs, laps ) with a 6000 rpm > Makita grinder.>>> Then i come back and sand with a hard Power Pad with 80 grit and the 6000 > all flats deck and bottom. Then i come back with the same used 80 grit > paper on a med Pad and my polisher Vir/speed at 3000 rpms and fine tune > flats. After i hit all the flats i slow the machine down to about 1500 > rpms and sand my rails with a lite touch from nose to tail walking the > rail. After i have finshed removing all the gloss from the hot coat I hit > all flats with 120 grit at a slow speed maybe about 2000 rpms. After doing > my hand sanding i hit the edges again with the 120 to remove any hand > sanding scratches.>>> Now if i'm glossing i'm done. When i sand finish i will hit the board with > 220 and 400.>>> Gloss>>> Now that i have a good sand to 120 only. I apply a mix of gloss and > sanding resin ( 249a and SA ) it helps flow better and it sands and > polishes better. Take your time when taping off to make for a clean tape > line. You'll see why when to buzz the rail bead.>>> Polish>>> Dry sand with 400 and a Med. Power Pad ( A good one )Bottom and deck. with > the same paper buzz the bead of the rail don't burn and hit cloth. When > using 400 hit the edge on the tail to remove the build up on the hard edge > area. When you get done make a pass slap the pad to remove any extra gloss > off the pad. then i come back and and hit with 600 with a soft Pad and > roll it down the rail ( less hand sanding ) to remove any tits. don't > worry about scratches on the rail. Rails polish so easy i only use 400 on > my hand sand.>>> The one trick is pull your paper ( sand ) in one direction NEVER CROSS > SCRATCH or as little a you can. and in those areas just polish a little > more.>>> You can fix a real shitty gloss start with 120 or 220 then follow with 400 > and 600 but always use a med or even a hard Pad to remove and sand out > splits and tits.>>> Remember when fixing a bad gloss never sand to much with 120 or 220 just > remove any bad sections. Finish with 4 and 600.. Then use any good polish. > and a yellow 3M pad the finish up with lambs wool pad.>>> I hope that covers it.>>> Make it shine Rob hit it pretty much on the money.As for polishing I recently started 320 with the soft pad to cut zits and dull wax.500 with the super soft pad.Polish with sureluster and wool pad.The pro tthat clued me in gave me a couple of good tips...use slow rpms.The 320 and 500 grits are kind of odd but trust me.500 cuts better than 600.Sureluster compound will buff it on out.I polish with a wool pad at around 3 to 4thousand rpm with Milwaukee Variable speed sander.As for the rails I still do the old razorblade scrape and hand wetsand.Rob and the pro that taught me are probably mo betta on the rails with the machine.I tried it but sanded to the weave.Polishing is a friggin hassle.Thanks to my friend "Tuna the crooked pinline master" for taking over this odious chore....R.B.
>>> Should I use a hard or med. pad rather than a soft for sanding hotcoat? If > I had on this board I'd have probably taken the tail completely off. Always use a hard pad to make things flat. soft pads float over bumps. The trick is to make things flat again?? Soft pads are only for fine sanding.. They bend around rails... Hard pad = 80 grit Med pad = 120, 180, ( 220, 320, 400 Polish ) Soft Pad = 220 sand and 600 wet dry but never wet always sand gloss dry in one direction... If you sand off tail fix!!!!!!!it http://surfnwsc.com
>>> At what point should I change from 80 to 120? If I get all the shinies out > with the 80 with my bad glassing I'm scared I might take it too far when I > go to the 120. Is it ok to gloss on an 80 sanded finish? Remember your just removing scratches with the 120 and finer grits. The 80 does most all the work. Just a quik once over with the 120 and 180 to smooth out any 80 grit swirls... you need to go to 120 before glossing but no need to go any more Why??? waste of time to sand any more then 120 for a gloss... You can get splits in your gloss if you sand to smooth i think.. But then again i'm no master glosser.. I hope someone could tell me what makes the gloss split?? I think it could be the sanding resin i add to my gloss... But it's how i've done my glosses for years.. http://surfnwsc.com
>>> At what point should I change from 80 to 120? If I get all the shinies out > with the 80 with my bad glassing I'm scared I might take it too far when I > go to the 120. Is it ok to gloss on an 80 sanded finish? I go 80 with medium pad just to get the big bumps...100 grit with the soft to get most of the shinies...next I put the same piece of 100 on the super soft Ferro pad.....finally its 150 with super soft.This is great for pins and gloss.Some guys gloss at 80 0r 100 but I dont for two reasons.I do resin pins and the gloss drags out better at 120 or 150.If you go finer the gloss may seperate.Variable speed Milwaukee sander o to 6000 .Just take your time, as we all said sanding is a very dificult thing...dont try to mimick the pros.I think that a lot of guys have seen the J.C. glassing video and try to do it like the sander in the film...he is friggin unreal but probably has done a million or so......R.B.
>>> Always use a hard pad to make things flat. soft pads float over bumps. The > trick is to make things flat again?? Soft pads are only for fine sanding.. > They bend around rails... Hard pad = 80 grit Med pad = 120, 180, ( 220, > 320, 400 Polish ) Soft Pad = 220 sand and 600 wet dry but never wet always > sand gloss dry in one direction...>>> If you sand off tail fix!!!!!!!it Yo Rob I was having trouble with the hard pad so I started using the medium.Do you think it is because I am using these really stiff peel and stick 80 grit discs???thanks....R.B.
>>> Rob hit it pretty much on the money.As for polishing I recently started > 320 with the soft pad to cut zits and dull wax.500 with the super soft > pad.Polish with sureluster and wool pad.The pro tthat clued me in gave me > a couple of good tips...use slow rpms.The 320 and 500 grits are kind of > odd but trust me.500 cuts better than 600.Sureluster compound will buff it > on out.I polish with a wool pad at around 3 to 4thousand rpm with > Milwaukee Variable speed sander.As for the rails I still do the old > razorblade scrape and hand wetsand.Rob and the pro that taught me are > probably mo betta on the rails with the machine.I tried it but sanded to > the weave.Polishing is a friggin hassle.Thanks to my friend "Tuna the > crooked pinline master" for taking over this odious chore....R.B. RB try using a med Pad for zit and flats it will remove waves in the gloss better and give you a better finish.. It will have a Surf Tech finish just like a pop out would out of of a mold... Soft pads float way to much there to soft..There only made to sand out scratches not flatten.. It's like hand sanding with your hand use a padded sanding block with 80 grit then fine sand with your hand. your hands won't remove the sanding bands left by the machine.. http://surfnwsc.com
>>> Yo Rob I was having trouble with the hard pad so I started using the > medium.Do you think it is because I am using these really stiff peel and > stick 80 grit discs???thanks....R.B. Oooooooo hell yes.. Pre cut paper sucks.. Cut stock 80 grit 3M but cut it with points.. Cut stright then cut stright again leaving little feathering tips on the paper. When sanding glass ons you can shape your base easy try it with a pre cut after you'll see. You will never see swirls again... NEVER CUT PAPER ROUND.... your asking for swirls. When polishing it works even better.... cut wet dry the same way.. I've cut my paper that way for over 30 years... Plus pre cut cost more??? http://surfnwsc.com
Should I use a hard or med. pad rather than a soft for sanding hotcoat? If I had on this board I'd have probably taken the tail completely off.
At what point should I change from 80 to 120? If I get all the shinies out with the 80 with my bad glassing I'm scared I might take it too far when I go to the 120. Is it ok to gloss on an 80 sanded finish?
>>> OK I'm no gloss master thats for sure. I hate pin lines that is for master > glossers but what ever i screw up i always seam to beable to sand out > flat.>>> It starts with a good sand job. I Grind ( plugs, laps ) with a 6000 rpm > Makita grinder.>>> Then i come back and sand with a hard Power Pad with 80 grit and the 6000 > all flats deck and bottom. Then i come back with the same used 80 grit > paper on a med Pad and my polisher Vir/speed at 3000 rpms and fine tune > flats. After i hit all the flats i slow the machine down to about 1500 > rpms and sand my rails with a lite touch from nose to tail walking the > rail. After i have finshed removing all the gloss from the hot coat I hit > all flats with 120 grit at a slow speed maybe about 2000 rpms. After doing > my hand sanding i hit the edges again with the 120 to remove any hand > sanding scratches.>>> Now if i'm glossing i'm done. When i sand finish i will hit the board with > 220 and 400.>>> Gloss>>> Now that i have a good sand to 120 only. I apply a mix of gloss and > sanding resin ( 249a and SA ) it helps flow better and it sands and > polishes better. Take your time when taping off to make for a clean tape > line. You'll see why when to buzz the rail bead.>>> Polish>>> Dry sand with 400 and a Med. Power Pad ( A good one )Bottom and deck. with > the same paper buzz the bead of the rail don't burn and hit cloth. When > using 400 hit the edge on the tail to remove the build up on the hard edge > area. When you get done make a pass slap the pad to remove any extra gloss > off the pad. then i come back and and hit with 600 with a soft Pad and > roll it down the rail ( less hand sanding ) to remove any tits. don't > worry about scratches on the rail. Rails polish so easy i only use 400 on > my hand sand.>>> The one trick is pull your paper ( sand ) in one direction NEVER CROSS > SCRATCH or as little a you can. and in those areas just polish a little > more.>>> You can fix a real shitty gloss start with 120 or 220 then follow with 400 > and 600 but always use a med or even a hard Pad to remove and sand out > splits and tits.>>> Remember when fixing a bad gloss never sand to much with 120 or 220 just > remove any bad sections. Finish with 4 and 600.. Then use any good polish. > and a yellow 3M pad the finish up with lambs wool pad.>>> I hope that covers it.>>> Make it shine Rob hit it pretty much on the money.As for polishing I recently started 320 with the soft pad to cut zits and dull wax.500 with the super soft pad.Polish with sureluster and wool pad.The pro tthat clued me in gave me a couple of good tips...use slow rpms.The 320 and 500 grits are kind of odd but trust me.500 cuts better than 600.Sureluster compound will buff it on out.I polish with a wool pad at around 3 to 4thousand rpm with Milwaukee Variable speed sander.As for the rails I still do the old razorblade scrape and hand wetsand.Rob and the pro that taught me are probably mo betta on the rails with the machine.I tried it but sanded to the weave.Polishing is a friggin hassle.Thanks to my friend "Tuna the crooked pinline master" for taking over this odious chore....R.B.
>>> Should I use a hard or med. pad rather than a soft for sanding hotcoat? If > I had on this board I'd have probably taken the tail completely off. Always use a hard pad to make things flat. soft pads float over bumps. The trick is to make things flat again?? Soft pads are only for fine sanding.. They bend around rails... Hard pad = 80 grit Med pad = 120, 180, ( 220, 320, 400 Polish ) Soft Pad = 220 sand and 600 wet dry but never wet always sand gloss dry in one direction... If you sand off tail fix!!!!!!!it http://surfnwsc.com
>>> At what point should I change from 80 to 120? If I get all the shinies out > with the 80 with my bad glassing I'm scared I might take it too far when I > go to the 120. Is it ok to gloss on an 80 sanded finish? Remember your just removing scratches with the 120 and finer grits. The 80 does most all the work. Just a quik once over with the 120 and 180 to smooth out any 80 grit swirls... you need to go to 120 before glossing but no need to go any more Why??? waste of time to sand any more then 120 for a gloss... You can get splits in your gloss if you sand to smooth i think.. But then again i'm no master glosser.. I hope someone could tell me what makes the gloss split?? I think it could be the sanding resin i add to my gloss... But it's how i've done my glosses for years.. http://surfnwsc.com
>>> At what point should I change from 80 to 120? If I get all the shinies out > with the 80 with my bad glassing I'm scared I might take it too far when I > go to the 120. Is it ok to gloss on an 80 sanded finish? I go 80 with medium pad just to get the big bumps...100 grit with the soft to get most of the shinies...next I put the same piece of 100 on the super soft Ferro pad.....finally its 150 with super soft.This is great for pins and gloss.Some guys gloss at 80 0r 100 but I dont for two reasons.I do resin pins and the gloss drags out better at 120 or 150.If you go finer the gloss may seperate.Variable speed Milwaukee sander o to 6000 .Just take your time, as we all said sanding is a very dificult thing...dont try to mimick the pros.I think that a lot of guys have seen the J.C. glassing video and try to do it like the sander in the film...he is friggin unreal but probably has done a million or so......R.B.
>>> Always use a hard pad to make things flat. soft pads float over bumps. The > trick is to make things flat again?? Soft pads are only for fine sanding.. > They bend around rails... Hard pad = 80 grit Med pad = 120, 180, ( 220, > 320, 400 Polish ) Soft Pad = 220 sand and 600 wet dry but never wet always > sand gloss dry in one direction...>>> If you sand off tail fix!!!!!!!it Yo Rob I was having trouble with the hard pad so I started using the medium.Do you think it is because I am using these really stiff peel and stick 80 grit discs???thanks....R.B.
>>> Rob hit it pretty much on the money.As for polishing I recently started > 320 with the soft pad to cut zits and dull wax.500 with the super soft > pad.Polish with sureluster and wool pad.The pro tthat clued me in gave me > a couple of good tips...use slow rpms.The 320 and 500 grits are kind of > odd but trust me.500 cuts better than 600.Sureluster compound will buff it > on out.I polish with a wool pad at around 3 to 4thousand rpm with > Milwaukee Variable speed sander.As for the rails I still do the old > razorblade scrape and hand wetsand.Rob and the pro that taught me are > probably mo betta on the rails with the machine.I tried it but sanded to > the weave.Polishing is a friggin hassle.Thanks to my friend "Tuna the > crooked pinline master" for taking over this odious chore....R.B. RB try using a med Pad for zit and flats it will remove waves in the gloss better and give you a better finish.. It will have a Surf Tech finish just like a pop out would out of of a mold... Soft pads float way to much there to soft..There only made to sand out scratches not flatten.. It's like hand sanding with your hand use a padded sanding block with 80 grit then fine sand with your hand. your hands won't remove the sanding bands left by the machine.. http://surfnwsc.com
>>> Yo Rob I was having trouble with the hard pad so I started using the > medium.Do you think it is because I am using these really stiff peel and > stick 80 grit discs???thanks....R.B. Oooooooo hell yes.. Pre cut paper sucks.. Cut stock 80 grit 3M but cut it with points.. Cut stright then cut stright again leaving little feathering tips on the paper. When sanding glass ons you can shape your base easy try it with a pre cut after you'll see. You will never see swirls again... NEVER CUT PAPER ROUND.... your asking for swirls. When polishing it works even better.... cut wet dry the same way.. I've cut my paper that way for over 30 years... Plus pre cut cost more??? http://surfnwsc.com
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