Howzit Clyde, finally got your new hard drive installed I see,good to have you back on line. Thanks for referring Joe to me, he came by yesterday and I'm working on a new logo/lam for him. Also he said he'll be using you guys for his glassing instead of you know who. Aloha, Wildog
if you use the plastic ones and you have had them in for awhile take them out and lay them with inside flat (front fins)down on a table, by now you should be looking at a warped fin, especially the black KR http://groups.msn.com/MyKRSurf/krcomweb.msnw
Aaron, I have heard the fiberglass fin range by FCS are due to be released in early 2004. So I assume you are referring to FCS tabbed fins made by other people and not to the specifications that FCS use.All my FCS fins (genuine ones) performce perfectly and break when I need them to. I dont know what you are talking about.
Im suprised noone mentioned lokbox. super strong box/base, and they have an adapter so you can still use the fcs fins... as well as be able to adjust them forward and back.
all those detachables thermo plastics fins are in the surf market ´cause the thousands dollars marketing...magazines, pro surfers, free fins for good surfers and surf shops, etc this is a windsurfing stuff..
I have no idea where the fiberglass FCS compatible fins come from. But don't use them since they WILL NOT break off, rather they will blow out your plugs. My experience came from some full-foiled fins for a fish. The fins are many years old and look new, but the board looks like crap after having fixed the plugs too many times. The plastic tabbed fins perform as promised usually, but not 100% of the time no matter what anyone says. Me and a buddy boat to many of our surf spots and for some reason the FCS fins break off in transit surprisingly often (glass-ons never have this problem for us). We gave up removing the fins every trip because we would lose the key or strip the screws while rushing to hit the lineup so we carefully strap the boards (in padded bags) with the fins staggered. Does FCS offer the Rusty template anymore? I had a 6-1 rusty years ago and it ripped. The fins had full tips and worked nice. I would like to compare a set of the Rusty's to my G-AMs in the same board.
Howzit KR, A few years back we were getting some feedback about Ofishall fins humming on longboards. Put a straight edge on the flat side and sure enough they had a slight concave to them, only thing was they were a new set that had never been on a board. After that we started checking all of them before install and they all had the con. It's a drawback of injection molding,has something to do with the plastic cooling when removed from the mold. We just would sand them flat. Aloha, Kokua
Hey Kokua, good to see that someone else pays enough attention to quality and then does something about it. keep it up. the ones that my friend had where concaved about 1/8+ on the table, basically unfixable. KR http://groups.msn.com/MyKRSurf/krcomweb.msnw
The concave you guys see on the flat side of the fins, is called "sink". Kokua is right that it is a by-product of injection molding. It happens during the cooling process. This can be reduced by strategically placed cooling pasages in the mold, but many factors effect it, and are hard to control.Complete consistency is not really possible. Most plastic or composite fins have this problem to some extent. Nowadays you have the vectors, that have sink designed in. Cant beat 'em...join 'em...Or make it seem cool anyways!
"Atleast with glass ons if you happen to knock off a fin the damage is ususally easily repaired. With the FCS system if the fins don't happen to break like they are designed to, and the plugs get blown out it's not usually repairable. Once the FCS plugs are damaged your board will need constant repair, bandage repair after bandage repair. " I find the exact opposite - FCS is so easy to repair. Just take out the cracked plug and stick a new one in there. Glass on fins are the biggest royal pain to fix - delamed glass, ripped up foam, etc. If a glass on is damaged, the only way to truly fix it is same as FCS - take it off, clean it up and put it back on. Bandaid fixes dont work for either one. Both have their place as different surfers prefer different systems for the reasons posted.I have been frustrated with FCS also, swearing i would never use them again only to have trouble with glassons on my next board. No system is perfect yet, but at least we have a growing range to pick from for our different needs and preferences....
Howzit Clyde, finally got your new hard drive installed I see,good to have you back on line. Thanks for referring Joe to me, he came by yesterday and I'm working on a new logo/lam for him. Also he said he'll be using you guys for his glassing instead of you know who. Aloha, Wildog
if you use the plastic ones and you have had them in for awhile take them out and lay them with inside flat (front fins)down on a table, by now you should be looking at a warped fin, especially the black KR http://groups.msn.com/MyKRSurf/krcomweb.msnw
Aaron, I have heard the fiberglass fin range by FCS are due to be released in early 2004. So I assume you are referring to FCS tabbed fins made by other people and not to the specifications that FCS use.All my FCS fins (genuine ones) performce perfectly and break when I need them to. I dont know what you are talking about.
Im suprised noone mentioned lokbox. super strong box/base, and they have an adapter so you can still use the fcs fins... as well as be able to adjust them forward and back.
all those detachables thermo plastics fins are in the surf market ´cause the thousands dollars marketing...magazines, pro surfers, free fins for good surfers and surf shops, etc this is a windsurfing stuff..
I have no idea where the fiberglass FCS compatible fins come from. But don't use them since they WILL NOT break off, rather they will blow out your plugs. My experience came from some full-foiled fins for a fish. The fins are many years old and look new, but the board looks like crap after having fixed the plugs too many times. The plastic tabbed fins perform as promised usually, but not 100% of the time no matter what anyone says. Me and a buddy boat to many of our surf spots and for some reason the FCS fins break off in transit surprisingly often (glass-ons never have this problem for us). We gave up removing the fins every trip because we would lose the key or strip the screws while rushing to hit the lineup so we carefully strap the boards (in padded bags) with the fins staggered. Does FCS offer the Rusty template anymore? I had a 6-1 rusty years ago and it ripped. The fins had full tips and worked nice. I would like to compare a set of the Rusty's to my G-AMs in the same board.
Howzit KR, A few years back we were getting some feedback about Ofishall fins humming on longboards. Put a straight edge on the flat side and sure enough they had a slight concave to them, only thing was they were a new set that had never been on a board. After that we started checking all of them before install and they all had the con. It's a drawback of injection molding,has something to do with the plastic cooling when removed from the mold. We just would sand them flat. Aloha, Kokua
Hey Kokua, good to see that someone else pays enough attention to quality and then does something about it. keep it up. the ones that my friend had where concaved about 1/8+ on the table, basically unfixable. KR http://groups.msn.com/MyKRSurf/krcomweb.msnw
The concave you guys see on the flat side of the fins, is called "sink". Kokua is right that it is a by-product of injection molding. It happens during the cooling process. This can be reduced by strategically placed cooling pasages in the mold, but many factors effect it, and are hard to control.Complete consistency is not really possible. Most plastic or composite fins have this problem to some extent. Nowadays you have the vectors, that have sink designed in. Cant beat 'em...join 'em...Or make it seem cool anyways!
"Atleast with glass ons if you happen to knock off a fin the damage is ususally easily repaired. With the FCS system if the fins don't happen to break like they are designed to, and the plugs get blown out it's not usually repairable. Once the FCS plugs are damaged your board will need constant repair, bandage repair after bandage repair. " I find the exact opposite - FCS is so easy to repair. Just take out the cracked plug and stick a new one in there. Glass on fins are the biggest royal pain to fix - delamed glass, ripped up foam, etc. If a glass on is damaged, the only way to truly fix it is same as FCS - take it off, clean it up and put it back on. Bandaid fixes dont work for either one. Both have their place as different surfers prefer different systems for the reasons posted.I have been frustrated with FCS also, swearing i would never use them again only to have trouble with glassons on my next board. No system is perfect yet, but at least we have a growing range to pick from for our different needs and preferences....
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