another thing to consider is that whoever puts the fin on and sands the board will likely change the finshape somehow i.e. the extra glass will add more fin area at the base. the sander can also change the shape of the fin. ive seen a few sanders take quite a bit off the trailing edge (at least 1/8th. how much all of this effects performance is tough to say.
.........I was one that always said glass-ons rode better than any removable out there ,but that was before Red-X.Red-X out performs any other fin system out right,and by a long long margin.Extra wt????????? not enough differences in wt. to even have this conversation about it.Herb
At the speeds a surfboard travels, it is unlikely that you would feel the fillet or lack of one (unless it was poorly foiled in which you would notice it very quickly). If you have a fairly sensitive short single fin with a long adjustable box, you will notice the effect of the slot. I cover mine up with clear packing tape trimmed to fit. It'll last up to 6 months. I also use it to cover the side bites of a 2+1 when I ride it as a single fin. Cheap,and easy to work with...
Here comes my Two cents,When FCS first came in, l made myself a new board, it was just the usual of what l ride no changes eccept for the fins, now before this l had worked on my own fin templates to match my rockers, the hardest thing for me at that stage was to find a template that was similar to mine so that if guy's wanted the system l could atleast recomend what fins to get but unless you charge them extra for the better made fins you have to give them these plastic peices of crap. That was my first dissapointment, basically l had to change my rockers to match their fins(and l thought that l was the "shaper"), the second was how it made the board feel in the water through turns. To me,and this is just what l felt when l surf removable fins, is that the board surfs flatter through turns because there is no curve at the base of the fin to help it roll over onto the rail and when pumping down the line they don't seem to flow as good for the same reason l guess. I'm not saying that they are totally crap but give me my own templates and rockers any day, after all isn't that what seperates us all and gives people change instead of trying to make us all surf the same and dictate what we ride. Sorry l think that was four cents worth.
Wow herb, bold statement. How about a list of the systems you've tried,with a blow by blow of excactly why you think red-x is way way better. In my experience,when people make that kind of claim, they've only tried one,or two(usually FCS) and can't articulate why ones better than the other. Here's your chance!
I saw a treaded insert that had pulled out of a redx side biter before it was even used. I’m sure it just slipped by quality control. the rep was notified for the answer.
HI Tom, I was only apologising for not remembering your name, are you still near the ...lost factory? I'm shaping there for the next 2 days before flying out. Would be good to say hi...yours Greg W
........In the last 40 years I've used most every box built,including custom prototypes.The few I haven't tried I have repaired several times,including lock box future,ofishl,on and on.Over the thousands of boxes I have fixed,I have only repaired one Red-x SIDE box,due to it flying off a car at 75mph. ..........Every box system I've tried in big waves (over 20') wash out at the base.The Red-X has yet to do this. .........Better yet STIL, ASK WHY Parsons or Flea use them. Herb
I can't find the link but remember a response somewhere by Dave Parmenter to this question. He claimed to have preferred the removable fins after grinding off glass ons and installing plugs on the same board. The fins he used were supposed to be the same size and shape so maybe something to it?
another thing to consider is that whoever puts the fin on and sands the board will likely change the finshape somehow i.e. the extra glass will add more fin area at the base. the sander can also change the shape of the fin. ive seen a few sanders take quite a bit off the trailing edge (at least 1/8th. how much all of this effects performance is tough to say.
.........I was one that always said glass-ons rode better than any removable out there ,but that was before Red-X.Red-X out performs any other fin system out right,and by a long long margin.Extra wt????????? not enough differences in wt. to even have this conversation about it.Herb
At the speeds a surfboard travels, it is unlikely that you would feel the fillet or lack of one (unless it was poorly foiled in which you would notice it very quickly). If you have a fairly sensitive short single fin with a long adjustable box, you will notice the effect of the slot. I cover mine up with clear packing tape trimmed to fit. It'll last up to 6 months. I also use it to cover the side bites of a 2+1 when I ride it as a single fin. Cheap,and easy to work with...
Here comes my Two cents,When FCS first came in, l made myself a new board, it was just the usual of what l ride no changes eccept for the fins, now before this l had worked on my own fin templates to match my rockers, the hardest thing for me at that stage was to find a template that was similar to mine so that if guy's wanted the system l could atleast recomend what fins to get but unless you charge them extra for the better made fins you have to give them these plastic peices of crap. That was my first dissapointment, basically l had to change my rockers to match their fins(and l thought that l was the "shaper"), the second was how it made the board feel in the water through turns. To me,and this is just what l felt when l surf removable fins, is that the board surfs flatter through turns because there is no curve at the base of the fin to help it roll over onto the rail and when pumping down the line they don't seem to flow as good for the same reason l guess. I'm not saying that they are totally crap but give me my own templates and rockers any day, after all isn't that what seperates us all and gives people change instead of trying to make us all surf the same and dictate what we ride. Sorry l think that was four cents worth.
Wow herb, bold statement. How about a list of the systems you've tried,with a blow by blow of excactly why you think red-x is way way better. In my experience,when people make that kind of claim, they've only tried one,or two(usually FCS) and can't articulate why ones better than the other. Here's your chance!
I saw a treaded insert that had pulled out of a redx side biter before it was even used. I’m sure it just slipped by quality control. the rep was notified for the answer.
HI Tom, I was only apologising for not remembering your name, are you still near the ...lost factory? I'm shaping there for the next 2 days before flying out. Would be good to say hi...yours Greg W
........In the last 40 years I've used most every box built,including custom prototypes.The few I haven't tried I have repaired several times,including lock box future,ofishl,on and on.Over the thousands of boxes I have fixed,I have only repaired one Red-x SIDE box,due to it flying off a car at 75mph. ..........Every box system I've tried in big waves (over 20') wash out at the base.The Red-X has yet to do this. .........Better yet STIL, ASK WHY Parsons or Flea use them. Herb
.........Come surf with us over @ 21 Bolsa Chica tomorrow 9-14-03 Sunday morn.Herb will be there,and maybe you'll understand why he is who he is.Mike
I can't find the link but remember a response somewhere by Dave Parmenter to this question. He claimed to have preferred the removable fins after grinding off glass ons and installing plugs on the same board. The fins he used were supposed to be the same size and shape so maybe something to it?
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