After wading through the McCoy discussion, I went to his site and was surprised to see that the basis of his design is a transitional displacement hull by a different name. It's as if you took a Liddle hull, flipped the rocker and outline around but kept the bottom contours the same. Its obvious that the nuggets aren't meant to rail turn but the bottom has that tuned, grabby curve that would tend to drag it down-the-line.
Any hullers out there that might have tried a McCoy? Any you nugget jockeys ever ride a hull?
Tue, 2004-03-23 04:42
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Whats a hull? Also my nuggets turn really good off the rail, they stick to the wave face really good especially in hollow surf. That hull sounds interesting, but I am not familiar.
Check out Liddlesurfboards.com. Read through the whole site and see if you don't see a connection too...
Lee-
Actually, from my experience, the Liddle boards are pretty much down the line, long drawn out turn type of boards, and the Mccoy nuggets are tight in the pocket, up and down all around the face boards. The Liddle "hulls" seem to be made for racy rincon type breaks, and the Mccoy nuggets seem to excel in beach break- quick response and tight in the pocket stuff. I have to say, the Mccoy nugget works sweet off the rail... really quick tight turns. -Carl
Carl,
that was always my feelings as well...
How do the Thruster Nuggets ride? Carl's description sounds right for a single fin with that bottom, but how does this change with three smaller fins?
AtomTan, can you bundle custom orders to Geoff to save on shipping?
Thanks,
I am doing an order now. On customs, I always try and bundle. I have an 8er, a 7'6'', a 5'10'' neo zap. there is room for one or two more or I am ordering stock. Let me know if I can help.
Cleanlines, I am working on shipping to Cali.
Hey Lee LIddle made me a board that was just a 7'0''but flipped the template backwards it was called the ID and was a great, good beachbreak board, wide tail pulled nose. I still have the template.Also that nice 7'6'' Rich Pavel we looked at was kinda like a nugget. McCoys boards look interesting to me.
You betcha ass, Kirk, that's why I've got both the "real" McCoy AND the S-T McCoy on order. In my mind, there's nothing like a turning-purpose-built displacement hulled single fin to free your soul. Many of my best surfing day memories come from a similar (but far from identical) design of Carl Ekstrom's' back in the mid-60's day.
Back in my early surf and travel years, the real McCoy turned up at Angourie with his then shaping offsider Skip Liefield. They were riding the early zaps, before the ridiculous 20" tail models, and they drew lines on waves like no-one else. There were full rail snaps and smooth gripping cutbacks, surfing the wave with speed and power, not just controlled planing. Needless to say the experience of watching and checking out those boards heavily influenced my ideas on surfing performance and board design, like many others I'm sure. My surfing performance and boardmaking design knowledge advanced significantly due to this.
My question to those knowledgable is this... If the nugget is a modern morphed version of the zap, and I'm sure Mr McCoy has not gone backwards with his design, why do he and his boards still receive some bad cred from people who seem to hold him responsible for what went off in a wierd direction years ago? Surely he has proven his design principles, even if most people don't understand them fully.
I've been out of the loop for a few years now, but the nugget is the most refreshing modern design I've seen in many, many years.
To those who understand, I feel for you. To those who feel, I understand.
Different dimension I guess.
The twenty inch tails were for Cheyne Horan not the average Joe Surf. Geoff himself is probably the best to answer all the questions about himself, since magazines decided long ago how to label him, with little regard for facts. Some of us watched it from a far and shook our heads. Geoff is in no way responsible for any strange trend in surfboards, he simply created the prototype surfboard that every modern thruster today has in it's past. There have been many contributions, but Geoff was the one to narrow the nose and widen the tail. He also had a hand in the twin fins MR rode.
The nugget seems to me to be an extension of the zap, but not so tail heavy and easier to ride for the average surfer. Since the whole idea is to make something hard look easy, to catch more waves and have more fun; The nugget is a great logical alternative. I don't think Geoff wants so much to challenge whats been going on in surfboard design, but to simply offer an alternative. Thats how I see it anyway. Geoff Mccoy is his own man and the one with the experience. He is the one who can best answer any questions.
The only wierd direction I can remember in surfing is the 90's garbage pushed by Kelly Slater wanna be's. Those things almost ruined surfing if not for such a comeback by longboards and wider zapy looking fishes. That generation seemed to want to make surfing harder instead of easier. Our sport is way to influenced by hype. That is the main problem.
There are other guys like Steve Forstall who has been shaping Eggs, hybrids, and performance longboards for 30 years with little reguard for what anyone else thinks and they keep selling. Same for Skip Frye and others.
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