the " stubbie " photo thread...

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chipfish61's picture
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Can people please post photos of "stubbies " ?

[rough guidelines ...

under about 6 '
wide [19 - 20+"]
wide nose
wide tail
often a squared tail pod
single finned, originally ]

...THANKS, people !

ben

Just to get the ball rolling, here's a Michael Peterson Morning Of The Earth 'kirra special' replica...

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spence's picture
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A 6'0" designed and shaped by Paul Gross.

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chipfish61's picture
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holy dooley...an s-deck !!

THANKS for that, Spencer. Are you and he in cahoots [partnership], then ?

Are you in contact with George, too ?

I always thought a stubbed version of my 6'9 wilderness would look good ! [now I know !!]

... excellent !

Please, have you got any more ? I know a few people who will be VERY interested to see these shots !

keep 'em coming !

ben

Meanwhile, here's a G and S one...

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hey chip,

Im looking at making a morning of the earth replica. Do you have any more specific dimensions on that board.

Thanks in advance,

George

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hi Kellerfreek !

Well, according to the 'APS3000' bitmap image that Josh posted [can you please post it again HERE, Josh ? sorry mate, it's just not readable when I reduced it to 80kbs],

the dimensions are : -

16 1/4" x 5'8 7/8" x 20 " x 15 7/8" x 2 3/4" [now, we just need the pod measurement !]

nose and tail thickness 12 " up is 1 5/8", and 1 15/16" respectively [we also need the nose and tail rocker measurements!]

I CAN tell you on this earlier [c 1969] one of Andy's, the Joe Larkin 'ski free' that Mick shaped, the dimensions are : -

16" x 5'9" x 20 1/4" x 16" x 3" [c 8" pod]

"c 3" nose rocker, tail pretty flat"...is what Andy told me...Gil, perhaps you know too ?

okay... hope this helps, KF !

ben

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hi Kellerfreek !

Well, according to the 'APS3000' bitmap image that Josh posted [can you please post it again HERE, Josh ? sorry mate, it's just not readable when I reduced it to 80kbs],


The APS is not the same as the MPs but is of a very simaler shape, I just modified it to suit a grom like me.

BTW, Its 5ft7 1/2, 20', 2 3/4'

Anywaise I will post my single up soon.

Josh.
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... on this earlier [c 1969] one of Andy's, the Joe Larkin 'ski free' that Michael Peterson shaped, the dimensions are : -

16" x 5'9" x 20 1/4" x 16" x 3" [c 8" pod]

"c 3" nose rocker, tail pretty flat"...is what Andy told me .

ben deck view : - bottom view : -


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homemade 6' x 19 1/2 " x 2 1/2 "...




"chip"

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...Where is Ted Spencer now ?

I've heard it said that as he brought in the noses, but still left the tails wide, it was introducing the concept Cheyne and Geoff would take and run with late 70s, into the 80's, which thrusters progressed from ..the narrow nosed, wider tailed models ...

here's a " borderline stubbie" [narrower nosed, and three finned...not what my opening comment guidelines included, but to me anyway, a kinda hybrid take on / ? evolving of ?things , perhaps ] : -

"chip "



deck view : -


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...along the same lines still [narrower nose, still wide boards , and still with a wide pod],
here's one from at least ten years prior to the last shot of the thruster.

A Pat Morgan diamond tail, complete with his [in]famous single keel fin [c.1971-73, at a guess?]

5' 11 " x 19 x 3" [!] : -

Pat Morgan.JPG"]


deck view : -



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next ...

take a kneeboard blank. Skin the deck. Run some sandpaper around the rails [shape it a little if you feel like it , too !]

Go indoors for some herbs. Chuck a layer or two of 8oz top and bottom, whack a humungous fin on it [preferably, do all this outdoors!]

Then go get tubed at Angourie, Lennox and / or Kirra on the beast [!!!]

It was the 'innermost limits of pure fun' and I'm sure ,for some, it felt like the 'morning of the earth', man !!

[I , however, was 8-12 yo while all this was going on, still wearing shorts to school [long pants were for when you "made it" ..."high school" !!].

ps - I saw "crystal voyager" in 1981... probably a good 8 years after it was filmed !!

M.P. , with a borderline stub / kneeboard (c 1972 ?)


.JPG"]

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...same movie, same east coast, different backyard shaper [literally, this time !!].

"M.O.T.E." shows this guy, one David 'baddy' Treloar, shaping in the front room of the house [!!]. Then , dust and s**t flying everywhere... as he sands outdoors , with a MONSTER sander !!

no shoes, no eye protection, no respirator... nothing ....

'country soul, man' [and a healthy dose of lung wreckage thrown in as a side salad please , waiter!].

He still lives around the Angourie area, apparently...

'Baddy', and the mutant " : -


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Chris Brock in action ...

[the tube shot has been credited as 'M.P.' countless times over the years]


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...Chris again ...


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The "Morning Of The Earth" Michael Peterson cutback at Kirra....


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Okay, this may qualify as an egg ? because of the tail perhaps, but by 1973, Terry Fitzgerald seemed to have finished with the twin fin on each corner of the massive square tail. [guess they didn't go too well when he took them up the coast to kirra...]

Rabbit's book 'busting down the door' has some interesting observations of this time and the designs tried, as does the M.P. book , describing the 'bellbird' house , and the ..er..experiments Tom unleashed from there [M.P. also, of course!]

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the early bonzer outlines looked fairly 'stubbie' , too.

The major departure I guess was the DEEP double concaves, and two extra fins...well, long based 'runners' , actually.

Here's a modern re-creation [nowadays, they seem to mainly be 5 finners] : -




"chip"....

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...now, does anybody out there have photos of Wayne Lynch from the 1967- 1973 ish period ?

It seems to me (in 'evolution', and 'sea of joy') he rode a few stubbie boards... S-decks, too, some of them !!

I haven't seen too many stills from that period, being that my brother's mag collection started around 1973, roughly. [oh, to have the earlier 'surfing world', 'tracks' (in the days when it WAS 'alternative', and a newspaper [!] ), and 'surfer' and 'surfing' mags]

...anybody ??

I'd love to see shots of Wayne Lynch on stubbies....

thanks !

ben

[THIS is from 1967, but it's 6'8 or 7', from memory..his radical vee bottomed '360' board [!!] for Bells , and Johanna]

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'Wayne Lynch: The Barrel Roll Board'

Wayne Lynch was 14 Years old when he shaped his first surfboard. He was surfing the waves around Lawne and Bells Beach, And wanted aboard to attempt barrel rolls and 360 slides.

It was the summer of 1967.

He wanted to slip vertically up the face, a move that at the time was in the primitive stages of exploration.

His idea was to surf the board without a fin, hence the vee bottom. He thought he'd be able to loop into vertical 360 turns, But he never made one, the extreme vee catching the wave face in his ettemps.

What he was able to do was several barrel rolls in the bells bowl, 'They were a bloody blast, but pretty heavy on the body..........................................................................'



Taken from, Australian Longboarding Issue 32.

Josh

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Quote:

"M.O.T.E." shows this guy, one David 'baddy' Treloar, shaping in the front room of the house [!!]. Then , dust and s**t flying everywhere... as he sands outdoors , with a MONSTER sander !!

He still lives around the Angourie area, apparently...




Isn't Baddy the one who smacked Nat one in the face at 'Angas'?

(BTW, Did you get those photos out of the book inside .'M.O.T.E' '03' DVD?)

Josh.

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1. no, that was a different guy. (Although I'm sure, over the years, LOTS of other people have WANTED to !!)

2. to quote M.P. himself : -

" I could say , but I won't say'

ben


ps - I'm glad to see you spend your pocket money on QUALITY publications Josh. Hold onto those mags mate . In 20 years time, they'll be "classics". In 50 years, well...

pps - THIS is 'baddy' : -, and this was the board he shaped in "M.O.T.E. " [Morning Of The Earth]. Trivia fact no.5763: - He was also from Manly, before 'tune in, drop out, turn on ' caught up with him , and like Nat and some of the others portrayed in M.O.T.E., he headed north to live...[ Ted Spencer was from Manly, Nat was from Collaroy.]


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Andy the stubmeister...





...'Gil' , is the Sam Egan on [our] left one of your old boards ?


chip

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more 70 71, Riddle: Name the Lat/Lon

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Does this qualify as a stubbie?



5'4" x 22"

Hicksy

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Does this qualify as a stubbie?

5'4" x 22"

Hicksy





hickster, is that [tick two boxes only] : -

1 wood inlay
2 hollow wood
3 VERY clever wood grain effect tinting
4 a mal for your grommets
5 a mutant kneeboard
6 a stub for you ?

if it's yours, any chance you can bring it saturday ? I'd love to check it out. Even , possibly surf it at right on . Does it float okay ??

cheers mate !

ben
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Hey Chip

1 wood inlay
2 hollow wood
3 VERY clever wood grain effect tinting
4 a mal for my 3 grommets
5 a mutant kneeboard
6 a stub for me?

I only finished shaping the cork rails last night so it won't be ready for Saturday. It's 2 3/8" thick so I recon it'll float OK.

Probably ready in 2 weeks.

Hicksy

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Oak Foils Dyna-Glyde Stubby (The Pickle)

 

6'0" x 22" x 3.35"

White Hot EPS. Epoxy Resin. Subtle Channels. Blinding fluorescent green airbrush. Shortboard rocker. Flat deck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I LOVE THIS SH-T..........

EVERYTHING THAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND AND GOES AROUND AND........ 

AIN'T NO GENIUS TO TRYING TO CLAIM A GENERIC GO TO SHAPE THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 45 YEARS....

........ PAY ATTENTION TO HISTORY..... no hijacking allowed!

I'm talking about the BS scene of the 2015's, not the era of this thread up to 11 years ago...... the future (now) wreaks of gutless wannabes trying to claim something that never was theirs.......  

What's the saying "honor the lineage"??? 

RETRO AIN'T RETRO IF YOU WERE THERE!  

END OF STORY......... WORD TO THE WISE.......... BE GENUINE...Respect history, don't try to HIJACK IT and claim it is yours!!! ;-O

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Paul Gross and I worked together from 1994-2004. Everything I know about shaping displacement hulls I learned from Paul.

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ahh, and what a fine student you have been Spence- those new hulls turned out awesome!

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chipfish61's picture
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and , Matt, YOU are... ??? [ George , or Paul ? ... gee, nearly sounds like a band ...did anyone see Rin go ?]

Attached, here's me first "fibro" , as us oz's used to call 'em back in the 70's, and here's the replica attempt twenty years later.

Other photos ... spewing the 'Banksy' didn't work... I REALLY didn't want to cut it down!

[It went GREAT as a stubbie , though.]

...15" x 6' x 20" x 2 1/2 " x 14" (@ 6 1/2" pod) , from memory. Boxy rails. 10 " finbox.

ben

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ANOTHER re-model... from 5'10 " fish to 5' 7 " 'stubbie'.

This is the one I'm putting the 12 " finbox in, so I can use a raky fin , up in the box. This is the first board I have ever shaped deep concaves [double] into.

ben

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hey chip,

no photos but i can tell you i tried an 8" fin in my wide nosed stubbie with a 2.5" trailer behind it right at the tail. the thing as pretty cool, could feel the flexy ness, and my friends got to witness a few 180's trying to do a steep drop backside. ill post pictures of the set-up if you want me to. i also have my 6' bonzer bottom stubby outline ready for cut-out.

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hey chip,

no photos but i can tell you i tried an 8" fin in my wide nosed stubbie with a 2.5" trailer behind it right at the tail. the thing as pretty cool, could feel the flexy ness, and my friends got to witness a few 180's trying to do a steep drop backside. ill post pictures of the set-up if you want me to. i also have my 6' bonzer bottom stubby outline ready for cut-out.




'gatorman'... yes, please show me the 8" fin. Is it the raky homemade one, Dave ? [ And, is THAT stubbie fin boxed yet ?]

Also, how big will your new 'bumblebee' three fin Bonzer be ?

how wide ?

how thick ? ... cheers !


Dave no.2, [Platt] ...is the keyo YOURS ??!!


ben


[ps- do you two guys realise there is ONE letter difference between your REAL names ??? [twilight zone music here ] ]
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Ted Spencer and George Greenough, 1969....

WHAT a combination !!

I especially like the footage of Ted shaping almost a spoon sized disc in George's groundbreaking film " The Innermost Limits Of Pure Fun ", then taking it out at good Angourie and somehow making the thing work !! [Ted is surfing the hull bottomed 'stub' at Lennox in these photos]

ben


Left to right :-

'Denise', Gary and Terry Keys and Chris Brock

2nd shot:- Ted Spencer and George Greenough

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Hey ben, There is no way I would be selling the Keyo if it were mine. I did some repairs and gave it a cut & polish. platty.

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Hey ben, There is no way I would be selling the Keyo if it were mine. I did some repairs and gave it a cut & polish. platty.

...and the guy STILL wouldn't let you buy it for $ 50 ??? [geez , SOME people !!]

I bet the guy who buys it just sticks it on his wall anyway, or in a back shed somewhere after paying something exorbitant like $1200 or something for it !!


ben
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[of course, some can be TOO short, and have too many fins...

a failed strip and reshape job from pre-swaylocks, pre-'shaping101', pre- having any sort of clue, and pre-teatotaller days !

It WAS a 1983 c 5'9 " hot brewz thruster with a back finbox which had badly delammed and my mate gave it to me..I'd do it DIFFERENTLY these days, that's for sure! ]


ben



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Here's a work in progress, but it qualifies.

6', 22.5"



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Nice stubbie there Schwuz. You seem to have come a long way quite fast. Look like its gonna be a real fun board. I finally started on a board off a 74R blank that had been sitting in my shaping room for at least 6 mos. It started out as a 7 foot funshape but I pulled the pin on the round pin a bit too pointy so I ended up re templating it down to a 6'6" with a fuller nose and a diamond tail. I'm alot happier with the outline now. Hope it doesnt take me as long to finish shaping it as it did to get started on it.

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"Its not rocket science..."

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wow Shwuz, that's almost a bonzer bottom kneeboard !!

I'm guessing the nose and tail on that are at least 18 ", and the pod maybe 13 " ... close ??

...five or three fins ?


I can't wait to see the finished product... and hear if it turns !! [you could always kneel on it, to crank your turns harder !]


ben


ps - that's wider than ANY of the bonzer 'bumblebees' I've seen photos of, so far !

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Hey chip,
It's actually the same dims as Kalani's monster yellow bumblebee bonzer, only shorter. The pod is 11, then 17.5 at the tail, 22.5 at the wide point, 17 nose. His is the same, only it is 6'6" and 3.25 thick. Mine will probably wind up about 2.75 thick when done, and its 6'0".

He said his rode quite well when he weighed 217 lbs, turned no problem. "You can hang five on it and still crank it around like a real shortboard." That's just about what I weigh right now, so I should be able to sink a rail on it. Although its not too late to pull the tail in a little, I guess....

Here's a shot from the other forum, I don't think kalani would mind. I'd say the proportions would get it into that stubbie classification, even if it is 6'6".


And foamdust, thanks! I sure feel like I've come a long way! I've been shaping less than a year, that stubbie is my 7th shape, and thanks to swaylocks I've never made an ugly or unridable board.

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What makes a stubbie a stubbie? Seems like there is wuite a lot of diversity among stubbies, just like the fish...

regards,

Håvard

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hi Haavard !

... re-read my opening guidelines...

" STUBBIE " is Aussie (? 'slang' ?) for "short" (and, wide , and kinda chopped down [tails] )

Without being legalistic or a stickler or pedantic or whatever, they WERE , originally, SINGLE fins (here in Oz, at least! )

okay... hope this helps !

"chip"


ps... is it in the 'glossary' ? ( If not, WHY not ?! )

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now you've seen what was too short for me, here's what's too WIDE for me ...


(it IS, really, a kneeboard... but, in view of Ted Spencer's ..er.. 'stubbie / kneeboard' [see "the innermost limits of pure fun " video], I thought I'd give it a try standing!)


21" [!!] x 5'8 x 24 1/2" [!!] x 2 1/2 " x 18 1/2" (11" pod!)


"chip"



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"Stubby" aka "Stubbie" was just added to glossary. The Glossary is open to everybody - please feel free to add to description or start your own subject.

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"Stubby" aka "Stubbie" was just added to glossary. The Glossary is open to everybody - please feel free to add to description or start your own subject.



thanks John !!

can we whack photos in the glossary too ?


ben
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can we whack photos in the glossary too ?




Yep.
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I have some other photos somewhere. I'll dig and see if I can find them. The picture is from 1970 or 71. TB

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I have some other photos somewhere. I'll dig and see if I can find them. The picture is from 1970 or 71. TB



please can I see it ?

[browse] click on photo wanted
[open]
[upload attachment ]
[post reply]

[to have it come up as 'attachment'...to have it show as visible here, see 'posting photos' thread instructions, at top of the threads list page...]

hope this helps ... cheers mate !

ben
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