Posted this on the surfermag site:
Put in the 4 Way plugs so that I can change fore/aft, cant, and toe in. I'm having trouble getting a tight fit with the Futures canards b/c the plugs take a bit wider fins. Thinking I might need to add some resin to the plug discs so that they fit better. That way, I can run Herb's superchargers, too.
Adam from 4 Way loaned me his jig. Easy install. Cool fin system.
I see you've overlapped the canards a little bit past the leading edge of the Main fin.
I'm sure you had a reason for putting them there. Care to sare?
No Worries, Rich
I just tried to copy what I saw on the other boards from this thread. I can move the canards fore/aft if I need to tweak them some more. I also changed the cant from 10 to 6 degrees. I'm guessing this board is going to be too loose for me to start with b/c the fins are so far forward. The board is kinda small, too (5'10 x 17 7/8 x 2 1/8). I made it about 6 years ago. I haven't ridden it in probably 5 years, but I thought I might retrofit it b/c it's my only board with Futures, and I wanted the Futures twinzers. I think I read somewhere that these are Wil's fin design?
that's a very interesting set-up Ghost Shaper,
let me know how she goes ok,
Often when retrofitting boards to be a Twinzer we find that the original fin placement is too far forward. I don't know where they are on the board in the photo posted.
The more you cant the canards out the looser and more release you'll get. If the canards are somewhat separated fromt he main fins and more upright the performance
action will be stiffer. This why I feel that fusion boxes work best for Twinzers. One can place the two tab holes so the the canards can be placed fairly close to the main
fins as well as a little over an inch further forward to stiffing action up for larger surf. I hope your project goes well. Mike Daniels and I have been do a little collaborating.
As a result he has a couple of Twinzers in the works. I'm sure photos will surface when the get out of his factory.
a teaser pic of my carbon / epoxy fins
board maybe in a month or so , Ride report to follow after 3 sessions :-)
What's the reason for the different directions the carbon fibers are running?
There really isn't any reason. The basket weave doesn't affect how the fin flexs at all.
When I cut the fins out of the panel it's just the way the cookie cuts.
I'm diggin that little puppy ........
Any dims or ride report ??????
Pic's in this case is not a thousand words old mate ... (lol)
not my board but this is, fast and free ride with solid direction changes .
have something else on the way :-) too , a bit more 21st. century
surfed the Rusty in overhead perfection to waist high slop and it is fun .
the best feature is how fast it is and how well it redirects , unlike any quad or thruster .
the board has a full Vee bottom and i thought that might hurt the performance in sub par conditions but it did not .
jobson in da house
what are the dims?
Coil will be in da house soon...
My excitement is going through the roof ! but you know that
dims are 6-8 x 20ish x 2.5ish it only has Wil Jobsons signature and no dims
put it under my arm last night and had to have it , much bigger than my normal boards . It will be my longboard , LOL
surfed it this morning and it was a blast .
Would you and N like to see pictures before we taco them? I might take the camera to factory tomorrow.
who cares if they do I do! haha
OMG hell yes ! :-)
This is what Russ posted on Surfer
It would be great for the Halcyon finned Coils to go against the Marlin Finned Hoytes in a shootout of Twinzers at this AB3 event.
Even better would be Stretch entering this market as well.
Custom boards and fins for them - who would ever have thought !
and pics and video for a poll vote on surfermag , LOL
i got a twinzer in the works too , my #1
entry curve is knda funky but it will work
There ya go
Quite that day job !
what do you think for the tail shape ?
fang , bat , swallow , jet , winged diamond ?
We will have to ask HT !!
4 fins dont work !
I have ridden one !!
Here are a few of my twinzers. Getting the cant correct with the concave bottom can be a challenge. I have been placing a straight edge across the board to calculate the front cant.
Nice Halcyon twinzer sets attached to some composites wizardry from Kirk and Eric Brasington.
...hey MD that Orangy have a very nice outline
also both look fantastic
by the way, the wpage is kind of dead
I'll take the red one!. Who's scratching his nuts?
That's orange (we have a red too), and that's the boss in the background. Is he scratching something?
Nice work mike. Nah, he's not, just my gutter ( aussie ) sense of humour!.No offence mate
No worries on the aussie humor; I got lessons from huie... (haaaaaaaaaaaaaa)
I own a couple twins so I thought I would give shaping one a try, I'll put pics up soon as I still have to finish up the rails. Here's me adding some rocker I believe.[img_assist|nid=1058770|title=Fish|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=640|height=425]
somebody put a mask on that kid!
something about that center fin looks funny...
Might be one of these guys lurking in the background.
Did Wil ever write the dims on the boards ?
i have been loving the twinzers , bought many and decided to make one myself
bought these ,
here is the one i made :)
still need to sand it , by hand :(
...that red lamination looks very well done, at least from here.
By the way, next time, sand a bit more the laps besides the fins to have a better and smooth bond for the glass ons
I have yet to be let down by any twinzer. All fast, loose, and fun.
anyone building a twinzer or have more pics to share ?
I will be building this as a twinzer. EPS/epoxy semi fish.
6'2'' x 12 7/8 nose x 19 3/4 x 14 3/4 tail x 2 5/8
I will be keeping it a square tail. Im not very experienced with shaping bottom contours so i was thinking of keeping it flat, or possibly a light double from my front foot, getting deepest in front of back foot, then going flat through the tail. It'll be for small to a little overhead waves.
I have to add, it'll be a while before i get this done. My shaping bay is now full of junk!!. Few months i hope to get it done.
one on the right is a twinzer in progress. gets its wings tomorrow.
how cool is that! Love those blunt nozers, post up some pics of the twinzer setup, and a ride report if ya don't mind. Nice work.
Those noses remind me of Some Mike Wellman Boards back when i lived on Kauai 90s. His son Kyle maligro was a bodyboarder and used to stand up, so he and Mike came up with these boards they called Squaters. Twin fin, fish tail, about 5'0" x 21-21.5X 2.5 or something. they were a blast supper fast and loose. but floaters were tricky cause no length to clear the v . Now you got me thinking. like that but quad. or twinzer...... next board
I have ridden the proto in mush to steep hollow surf. The only draw back is width in hollow waves. No issues with the squareness of nose or straightness of rail outline. And the nice thing is you can knock off a ton of length without sacrificing stability because that nose is like a platform to launch off of on the pop up. Highly recommeded to try... I've done the previous two as thrusters, larger rail fins and a small trailer, can't wait to try the twinzer out. will post up when done huck...
vane or canard as you will will be parallel to the trailer and the
trailing edge about 1 1/2 forward of it and an 1 1/4 out board of the
line of the trailer."
Explaination: Base cord of canard and base cord of main fin are parallel. I wouldn't say the toe is eactly the same though it may be.
If you draw a line across the board placing the trailing edge of the canard 1 1/2 inches forward of the leading edge of the main fin bring as much engagement and drive as can be expected by using the Twinzer system. As the fins are separated fore and aft board action will become stiffer. As the canard is moved aft and moved even along side the main fin fin action becomes more pivotal. Presently the fin spread that working best for Nick Palandrani (Source Surfboards) & I is a 3/4" fore & aft spread with the canard set 1 1/4" outboard. The placement of the fin set varys from board to board depending of tail width & board foil.
As far as what G.G. has to say I won't touch it as doing so wouldn't serve anything progressive IMHO.
I will go on record as saying that there is proof positive of a glowing flow efficientcy by use of a vane. It is in the scheme of nature being found on all the raptors and commonly used on modern high performance jet aircraft.
Finally there are as many approaches to setting up Twinzers as there are shapers.
Wil began things. His work is seminal to the set-up. Just here in Santa Cruz, Ca. there
are at least a half a dozen versions of it and of course I have my own version ~ go figure.
Stay Stoked, Rich
Thanks so much for putting things in perspective Halcyon!
I just came back from a surf.
I got talking to a guy , brett , a bit older than me , who was ripping
Afterwards , in the carpark , when I asked what he was riding ...
I was [pleasantly] surprised to see that his ? 6'8" ? quad fish
was set up ....
in the front side plugs , with the larger sized bonzer runners that fcs make
in the back side plugs , with the large size 'H 2's . [ I'd estimate he would have weighed 20-30 kgs more than me ].
He said he reaaallly liked this setup , and that when he was not riding THIS board [I have seen him on it a lot lately !] , he is riding a 7' tracker singley that P-Co Ross here made him , and also a 9' mal.
[Semi ] interesting , as I rode my 6'11 this morning , and also , often ride the 6'6 " walden [as a quad] , and also my 9'4 " 2+1 setup mal ..... (COULD this be some kind of an "over 50s quiver " , perhaps ? :) )
The waves today were overhead bombs [occassionally ] , but mostly around the shoulder to head high range . Also , there was no wind , which was VERY nice , indeed !
After the last few weeks of heavy storms , a LOT of sand has been removed , and now the "banks " are deeper .... so , unless it is a bigger swell , and a low[er ] tide , the waves are a bit full.
Brett was surfing fast , highlining , belting the occassional lip , and doing nice cutties ...the 'twinzer' setup certainly seems to go very well for HIM !
They have all been righthanders that I have seen him catch , so far ... [ "mainly what he surfs when in the Mentawais " , he commented]
I told him I'd keep an eye out for him , and [if ] next time I'm taking photos , there's a chance I "may" bail him up for some 'fin setup' and board shots [a GOOD chance , I'd say ! ha]
I'm keen to try this setup he had , in my wide-arsed 'Walden' [ which is probably ? much the same volume? and , similar shape / size to what HE was riding .... minus the 'fish' tail !]